Superman Returns AICN interview with Singer

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hardly know anyone at the Spider-Man boards. I visit there every now and then to look at two of my own threads. The Wisecracks Thread, and the Fanart and Manips thread. Post some Spidey related art every once in a while. That's about it.

I absouletly love the movies but hate almost every single person on that thread. Spidey's (the movies) defeners and haters are just so damn dumb.

 

[ultimatefan]

I hardly know anyone at the Spider-Man boards. I visit there every now and then to look at two of my own threads. The Wisecracks Thread, and the Fanart and Manips thread. Post some Spidey related art every once in a while. That's about it.

They´re mostly positive on the movies, but you´ll have your ugly arguments like all other boards. They come to show how this works, four years after the first Spider-Man there STILL are arguments over the organic webs...

 

[GreenKToo]

I love spidey as well.He is my third fav.hero,and I cant wait for the 3rd.

 

[Matt]

The funny thing is, you people have no middle ground whatsoever, just because you didn´t like the movie, you need to either turn the guy into Forrest Gump or some kind of evil monster... Grow up a little, will ya... No, Singer´s not perfect - I never said he was - but he´s a filmmaker with a very respected career, who can make mistakes, like anyone, but that for many many movie fans is a talented and crafty director.

Funny, Joel Shumacher who is a talented film maker with a very respected career messed up Batman and Robin and he is the anti-christ, but when Bryan SInger does it, its ok...he can make mistakes.

 

[ultimatefan]

Funny, Joel Shumacher who is a talented film maker with a very respected career messed up Batman and Robin and he is the anti-christ, but when Bryan SInger does it, its ok...he can make mistakes.

I have recognized that Schumacher´s a director who´s made some very good movies - especially Falling Down, Time To Kill and Phone Booth -, but c´mon, to compare B&R with SR... Gimme a break... Schumacher knew all along he was making nothing but a toy commercial. Whether Singer pleased fans or not - some yes, some no - it was a much more honest and heartfelt effort.

 

[Showtime]

I just read back in the thread and I am not sure why people are taking the "Robo has gone mad" approach. Seems as though there has been alot of swearing going around, and he was made an example of. It happens.

I don't picture Robo standing at the edge of a cliff cradling a bootleg of Superman Returns and pulling his hair out, but that's just me.

In regards to Zod, I would have welcomed him in Returns but I definately don't want to see him in a sequel.

 

[Dark Knight]

Some of you just seem like you want to tear Singer down no matter what. Me....I'm unbiased.....the fact of the matter is most critics and fans liked the film....the film coming out a week before P2 contributed directly to lackluster opening at the BO. He is right on when it comes to sequels making more money than their respective original films. If he makes the sequel and has a big time villian like a Metallo, Braniac or Doomsday for Supes to fight....and have more action....than chances are it will make way more money than Returns. Others keys for the sequel to make more money....LOWER THE DAMN BUDGET! (Maybe to 150 million) and make sure it is not released a week ahead of serious competition...(like Returns was with P2) serious comp maybe a Spidey 4 or Halo....or someother potential dangerous competitor.

 

[dark_b]

Some of you just seem like you want to tear Singer down no matter what. Me....I'm unbiased.....the fact of the matter is most critics and fans liked the film....the film coming out a week before P2 contributed directly to lackluster opening at the BO. He is right on when it comes to sequels making more money than their respective original films. If he makes the sequel and has a big time villian like a Metallo, Braniac or Doomsday for Supes to fight....and have more action....than chances are it will make way more money than Returns. Others keys for the sequel to make more money....LOWER THE DAMN BUDGET! (Maybe to 150 million) and make sure it is not released a week ahead of serious competition...(like Returns was with P2) serious comp maybe a Spidey 4 or Halo....or someother potential dangerous competitor.

maybe because he filmed the return to krypton scene which costed 10 milions, than he cut it out because he didnt like it in the movie, than after teh premiere he said that he dont want it on the dvd because it is a scene that needs to be seen in the theater? maybe because of stuff like this? dont get me even start with the smallville house sets,the flying and the action.

 

[The Kid]

Some of you just seem like you want to tear Singer down no matter what. Me....I'm unbiased.....the fact of the matter is most critics and fans liked the film....the film coming out a week before P2 contributed directly to lackluster opening at the BO. He is right on when it comes to sequels making more money than their respective original films. If he makes the sequel and has a big time villian like a Metallo, Braniac or Doomsday for Supes to fight....and have more action....than chances are it will make way more money than Returns. Others keys for the sequel to make more money....LOWER THE DAMN BUDGET! (Maybe to 150 million) and make sure it is not released a week ahead of serious competition...(like Returns was with P2) serious comp maybe a Spidey 4 or Halo....or someother potential dangerous competitor.

says the one with Nolan trust in their sig.

I gave singer a chance so that does not apply to me. Singer's still a good director but he really took a wrong approach to superman and created something that sucked.

That's the thing about this.. it had a HUUUUUUUUUUGE budget. You don't take that money and deliver a mediocre product, friend ...after x2 anyway. And He shouldn't have to lower the budget for a next one but at least he'll have a more humble approach I hope, he seems to not recognize he might have made a few missteps and instead blames everyone and everything else. I don't really like that about him. Anyway, this was the grand rebirth of superman, an EVENT, Spider-man's box office Kryptonite, but... we got the grand rebirth of Hackman and stalkerman.wait, Now don't get me wrong.

I admit I do have my own bias... this is true. I have to say I love the addition of a new character, Jason, so automatically maybe I'm wearing some rose tinted glasses here, but for many I think they're seeing this the way they see it without any colored glasses. My sister for instance saw x3 and told me it was garbage. I agreed with her after seeing the film myself. She saw SR and told me it wasn't very good. Well now come on, this is superman. so I saw it and unfortunately came away agreeing again. She isn't biased like I am, just your average movie viewer with no serious fanboy/fangirl disposition. So that's an indication that there are people out there who just wanted a worthy superman film and maybe didn't see that film. And maybe some day singer will recognize that.

Oh and about sequels always making more. I'm not saying it's impossible but I'm not going to get cocky again and say it's a lock. I think some movies didn't make more than their first ones.

spider-man, star wars, probably others.

 

[GreenKToo]

WoW,no more B.O. thread.I cant say I blame them for closing it either.

 

[Showtime]

I don't blame them at all, what are they going to do, babysit us everyday? Enough is enough. We did it to ourselves.

 

[Steelsheen]

I don't blame them at all, what are they going to do, babysit us everyday? .

that's why they're called Mods dude

 

[Showtime]

that's why they're called Mods dude

"That's why they're called terrorists Kent."

 

[Dark Knight]

says the one with Nolan trust in their sig.

I gave singer a chance so that does not apply to me. Singer's still a good director but he really took a wrong approach to superman and created something that sucked.

That's the thing about this.. it had a HUUUUUUUUUUGE budget. You don't take that money and deliver a mediocre product, friend ...after x2 anyway. And He shouldn't have to lower the budget for a next one but at least he'll have a more humble approach I hope, he seems to not recognize he might have made a few missteps and instead blames everyone and everything else. I don't really like that about him. Anyway, this was the grand rebirth of superman, an EVENT, Spider-man's box office Kryptonite, but... we got the grand rebirth of Hackman and stalkerman.wait, Now don't get me wrong.

I admit I do have my own bias... this is true. I have to say I love the addition of a new character, Jason, so automatically maybe I'm wearing some rose tinted glasses here, but for many I think they're seeing this the way they see it without any colored glasses. My sister for instance saw x3 and told me it was garbage. I agreed with her after seeing the film myself. She saw SR and told me it wasn't very good. Well now come on, this is superman. so I saw it and unfortunately came away agreeing again. She isn't biased like I am, just your average movie viewer with no serious fanboy/fangirl disposition. So that's an indication that there are people out there who just wanted a worthy superman film and maybe didn't see that film. And maybe some day singer will recognize that.

Oh and about sequels always making more. I'm not saying it's impossible but I'm not going to get cocky again and say it's a lock. I think some movies didn't make more than their first ones.

spider-man, star wars, probably others.

i agree the film could have been better....I wanted to see a big time villain in Returns....not wait for the sequel for one. Most of the peeps that I know who have saw it liked it......they just thought it didn't have great re-watch value and I agree with that.

10 million for not showing the outer space sequence?? Dumb IMO.....

However some need to admit....that there were other contributing factors to the mediocre BO. Releasing Returns a week before a big time sequel with Depp as the headliner?? A big NO NO! Not having a big time villian for Supes to fight.....bad decision.

Also, another contributing factor..which I don't know if it has been brought up in here...is that from what I understand.....the hard corp religious right...boycotted the film and spread the word...not to see the film....do to Superman being " a false idol". And arguably the films marketing strategy was obviously horrible.

I mean the film will still make 350 mill WW.....and will most likely barely reach 200 mill DOM.

Singer did improve on X2 from X1 considerably also.....

 

[Dark Knight]

Singer is a lot of things and finally I think we see it. He and everyone on this board except a few I know, got cocky, including myself before this film came out. We were ready, baby. We were saying it'd dominate spider-man at least with some relative ease. then When pirates looted returns, Singer was literally lost for words.

why I think this is is because he was as much expectant as most were that his movie would explode instantly because it's superman... a new film after nearly two decades. And His x-men movie needing time to draw excitement excuse from the interview made me dizzy. It's in your own movie, dude. "He's superman. Everybody loves him." So you've got INSTANT BRANDNAME RECOGNITION. How many filmmakers would sell their wives for that on their movies? Someone said you could ask the pope who superman was and he'd know. So I'm tired of "it's the marketing, it's pirates, it's been a long time since the last (didn't stop star wars, which I'd say is probably on par as far as brand name recog goes) excuses myself and just wish he'd say "well maybe I didn't do the best I could." That takes balls, man to show humility like that. I'll be ballsy enough to say I did something wrong if I delivered a mediocre film under a crazy huge budget. I have it in me to call it more than mediocre but I being generous tonight.

Once again look into the movie itself for reasons why it's plodding along to 200mil. Should have had that after the first week or so with ease. It's not some mystic force or bad luck, it's a tired worn out, rehash of a film coming to theaters in the age of harry potter, incredibles, spider-man, the matrix, pirates, and star wars prequels. You decided to recycle donner's 70s vision to the wrong audience, pal.

These movies, hell the comics they're based on, to me anyway never seemed like stories made to hopefully be viewed in a few decades as emotionally affecting. Ask Ang Lee about that. Audiences to me seem to like balance between the psychological study of the character and crazy action that just blows your pants off. You handled neither very well imo so good luck hoping someone is affected decades from now. The kid affected me but the rest I thought was a sucky waste of money.

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I remember this....alot of the big time Singer defenders were a bit arrogant to think that "its Superman....he will sell no matter what"

Not the case......bad marketing decisions....with a strategically bad release date (another arrogant decision) and with no big time villian for Supes to fight= dissapointing BO......

 

[Dark Knight]

who brought this movie together, it was Bryan Singer.....he is the one to blame for Superman Returns...no one else...

^ I disagree with that.....

 

[Dark Knight]

WoW,no more B.O. thread.I cant say I blame them for closing it either.

that BO thread was annoying......

 

[Dark Knight]

"That's why they're called terrorists Kent."

LOL...Classic.....

 

[GreenKToo]

ya,their was to much to wade through.

that BO thread was annoying......

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well i think Singer will deliver an amazing sequel if given the chance, and i hope he is, i wanted a supervillain as much as the next guy/gal, but i still enjoyed SR, A LOT, i saw it 3 times.

 

[GreenKToo]

It is looking like he'll be back,if you believe all the rumors.I'm not so convinced yet though.

Well i think Singer will deliver an amazing sequel if given the chance, and i hope he is, i wanted a supervillain as much as the next guy/gal, but i still enjoyed SR, A LOT, i saw it 3 times.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It is looking like he'll be back,if you believe all the rumors.I'm not so convinced yet though.

Me neither, in the world of hollywood money talks, and SR hasnt made enough IMO. But hopefully W.B will see that a sequel will probably make more.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

RIP Boxoffice thread. We knew ye well. It was probably for the best but until I see the film their isn't much for me to discuss.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

However some need to admit....that there were other contributing factors to the mediocre BO. Releasing Returns a week before a big time sequel with Depp as the headliner?? A big NO NO!

The movie had 9 days to make some serious money and it put up some very mediocre numbers. Everyone and their mother jumped at the chance to see X3 opening weekend and it seems that Superman just didn't have the same pull, even on a holiday weekend.

Tentpole films like this are supposed to make HUGE money in the first 5 days and if the movie has any re-watch value it pulls in repeat viewers among first-time viewers. Superman was DOA its first week and that's when people started predicting that POTC2 would strike a death blow. If SR had broke out with Spider-man type numbers it would have surpassed 200+ million rather easily no matter what POTC2 did.

 

[The Kid]

They´re mostly positive on the movies, but you´ll have your ugly arguments like all other boards. They come to show how this works, four years after the first Spider-Man there STILL are arguments over the organic webs...

Well It wasn't an argument until some pompous trolls came stomping into the thread just to attack the person innocently "requesting" raimi use the alien symbiote or some method to insert classic non-organics shooters. That's how it was, nothing wrong with that until some decided to get trollish. The non-orgs issue was and is constantly being buried by the trolls, I guess until Raimi decides to use them, then it'll probably be "Oh I always loved the webshooters. what organics?" Someone had the courage to voice their request to raimi and express what they would like to see in the next film since apparently it'll include characters and such that were once said to be impossible to impliment in raimi's version of the story. You see mostly positivity, nothing wrong with that, but I see mostly tyranny. Honestly come out and say that's what you want for once. No double speak or insinuations, presumptions, all that stuff. Pure Uncivilized tyranny. Granted some are genuinely excited to see uncle ben's new murderer I suppose.