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[Iron Maiden]

So would I..... So does that mean that she's more powerful than Reed? Or that her particular power is better suited to the situation? Who would be better to squeeze into the multi-megaton bomb and disarm it from inside? Does that mean that Reed is more powerful? or better suited for the job? Who while this is going on is best suited to slug it out with an army of Doombots to give them time to do this? Does that mean Ben is the most powerful? Or best suited for the job? Who best to destroy a barrage of missiles raining down on the village? Does that make the torch the most powerful? Getting my drift here?

Powerful is difficult term to pin down when talking about capabilities that aren't equal. Ben could take out every member of the group with one punch but a pipsqueak like the Wizard nullified his physical strength by slapping one of his anti-grav disks on him. Doom did the same thing with the Grey Hulk by suspending him in mid-air. Reed has no great physical strength but can manipulate his form to a degree that can turn into a weapon, i.e. turning his arm into a mace. But he doesn't have the power to back it up on say, the Hulk. The Torch can be taken down by a garden hose or a gang of common thugs like we saw in "Civil War".

I can understand why Sue is considered by most contemporary Marvel writers to be the most powerful because she has the most adaptable offensive and defensive capabilities. Although she did get beaned by a rock in "Authoritative Action". Let her just put some force bubbles in your brain, like she threatened in FF 1234 and there wouldn't be much defense against that.

 

[Obi-Ron]

And A bad one at that. Hope they get rid of that scientist routine. They botched it in the 1st movie. Time to drop it.

Now that I think about it, Sue Storm at the beginning of the FF movie was quite similar to Betty Ross in Hulk...

Both were (uncharacteristically) working as scientists, where they were put into a working relationship with a former boyfriend.

Lazy writing in both cases.

 

[Exile]

^^^ You make a very good point there. That is pretty unimaginative on the writers part. I enjoyed the movie overall but one thing thing that really irked me that has been brought up here as well was the similarity between the Doom-Osborn boardroom hijinks.

 

[Dragon]

Powerful is difficult term to pin down when talking about capabilities that aren't equal. Ben could take out every member of the group with one punch but a pipsqueak like the Wizard nullified his physical strength by slapping one of his anti-grav disks on him. Doom did the same thing with the Grey Hulk by suspending him in mid-air. Reed has no great physical strength but can manipulate his form to a degree that can turn into a weapon, i.e. turning his arm into a mace. But he doesn't have the power to back it up on say, the Hulk. The Torch can be taken down by a garden hose or a gang of common thugs like we saw in "Civil War".

I can understand why Sue is considered by most contemporary Marvel writers to be the most powerful because she has the most adaptable offensive and defensive capabilities. Although she did get beaned by a rock in "Authoritative Action". Let her just put some force bubbles in your brain, like she threatened in FF 1234 and there wouldn't be much defense against that.

But you're actually fortifying what I'm saying here. They all have weaknesses that can be exploited (Although some of those things are ridiculous. Like a garden hose taking down the torch. We're not talking about a barbeque flame. He burns too hot to be snuffed out with anything less than a firehose. And Ben being stopped by a grav disc is realisitic. Even though he isn't grounded, he can still move.

And I don't understand why putting a forcefield in someone's brain somehow puts Sue at the top of the class. First off, so many superheroes could do deadly things potentially, but aren't actually willing to do so. Sue isn't so bloodthristy as to do such a thing so easily. The Thing could potentially cause a shockwave that would shatter every bone in a person's body. The Torch could cause someone to burst into flames (without shooting a fireball at them). And as I'd mentioned a day or so ago, Reed could do the same thing physically. The fact that writers haven't chosen to have the characters use their abilities at their fullest potential says more about the writing than the characters.

 

[Kelly]

But you're actually fortifying what I'm saying here. They all have weaknesses that can be exploited (Although some of those things are ridiculous. Like a garden hose taking down the torch. We're not talking about a barbeque flame. He burns too hot to be snuffed out with anything less than a firehose. And Ben being stopped by a grav disc is realisitic. Even though he isn't grounded, he can still move.

And I don't understand why putting a forcefield in someone's brain somehow puts Sue at the top of the class. First off, so many superheroes could do deadly things potentially, but aren't actually willing to do so. Sue isn't so bloodthristy as to do such a thing so easily. The Thing could potentially cause a shockwave that would shatter every bone in a person's body. The Torch could cause someone to burst into flames (without shooting a fireball at them). And as I'd mentioned a day or so ago, Reed could do the same thing physically. The fact that writers haven't chosen to have the characters use their abilities at their fullest potential says more about the writing than the characters.

Just because someone doesn't have the desire to use their full potential as far as their power, doesn't make their power any less....just makes it unused....which is what I said earlier.....

 

[Dragon]

Just because someone doesn't have the desire to use their full potential as far as their power, doesn't make their power any less....just makes it unused....which is what I said earlier.....

And when did I say it was less? Is that all you took away from that entire post?
And obviously the writers in question are taking the latent or unused abilities by the rest of the team lesser.

 

[Kelly]

And when did I say it was less? Is that all you took away from that entire post?
And obviously the writers in question are taking the latent or unused abilities by the rest of the team lesser.

In saying that she is weaker, which you have I believe, pretty much says to me you think her powers are weaker....therefore thats how I read your post....

I actually agree with alittle of your second paragraph in that post, I believe an earlier post of mine said something similar...well the part of her desire so actually I was simply agreeing with that portion...

 

[Kelly]

Not if she's unconvincing enough to get laughs from the audience.

I went several time to the movie, and never heard that....nor did the many that I saw it with, friends, family, students etc....also.....what they commented on was the fact that Sue did not have much of a chance, time wise, or line wise to show off her intelligence.....Jessica ran off scienticfic jargon thorughout DA, would not have been a problem to have written it in the first.....

Not saying you didn't hear laughter, but it is extremely apparent we were in different theatres....

 

[Kelly]

That's the point. STAN LEE DIDN'T SAY IT. John Byrne did. It's a revamp. And the point you made about Malice having her use her full powers- Again- my second point. If any of the FF truly went bad and decided to use their full powers, they'd be just as destructive. So there's no need to place Sue or any of the other in front of the team as most powerful. The Malice story could still have been told without that silly little addendum.

And as far as her kicking ass- of course she should. She's superhuman. Why do you people keep saying it has to be either-or? A woman can be powerful, assertive, effective without having to be BETTER than her male counterparts. Got it?

I don't remember anyone saying better? GOT IT!

 

[Dragon]

In saying that she is weaker, which you have I believe, pretty much says to me you think her powers are weaker....therefore thats how I read your post....

When did i ever say she was weaker? I keep saying over and over that she's just as powerful as the rest of the team. I'm just saying that the rest of the team doesn't need to be torn down to build her up.

I went several time to the movie, and never heard that....nor did the many that I saw it with, friends, family, students etc....also.....what they commented on was the fact that Sue did not have much of a chance, time wise, or line wise to show off her intelligence.....Jessica ran off scienticfic jargon thorughout DA, would not have been a problem to have written it in the first.....

Not saying you didn't hear laughter, but it is extremely apparent we were in different theatres....

Well.. Obviously. But I wouldn't make something like that up just to back up my points. And I know I'm not the first to be critical of her acting. I've never seen DA, so I can't comment. Maybe she had better writing and directors guiding her. Maybe she was more into the character.

I don't remember anyone saying better? GOT IT!

So what does saying she's the most powerful member of the team- that she's FAR MORE POWERFUL than the others mean? And how does it make the Fantastic FOUR a better comic to make one character stand above the others?

 

[Kelly]

Dragon, its not a huge debate or discussion here....LOL....I agree with alot of what you are saying..."I stand corrected" you didn't say weaker...I believe my comment showed that I wasn't sure....who has said that the other characters are going to be torn down????? nothing Jessica said told us that....

As far as the your comments on your theatre experience.....never said you made it up????? calm down.......I simply said, we were definitely in different theatres.....I saw it in different theatres all over the state of Texas actually and a couple of other states.....as I had my summer vacation...and I simply never heard what you spoke of....but thats not to say you didn't...I'd never say you were making something up to prove a point.....theres no need for that....if there is....then the discussion is bogus from the start....

I'm just saying what Defalco, Byrnes, and I believe a few others have said....I stand corrected by the Stan Lee statement....this was the quote I was going by...

Stan Lee recalls his intentions when he was creating Sue Storm: "I didn't want Sue to be a typical female comic book character who is always crying out for help," he says. "I didn't want her to be the damsel in distress. I wanted her to be an integral part of the team so I actually gave her two very compelling abilities. In fact, some people think the combination of Sue's powers ultimately makes her the most powerful of the group."

*sighs*.....I'm not arguing that the four should not have fairly equal time, (I wasn't happy with the 1.5 hero movie the first time around, why would I want that again?) nor am I happy with Sue somehow is getting everyone's power even though in 2004 she did have Johnny's powers for alittle while....but if she takes a Malice type of thing, then cool....I'm happy with that....thats a storyline I've wanted from the beginning.....if that doesn' happen thats ok too, I'm not going to cry about it.....I just want a very enjoyable, fun, exciting summer movie, that I'M HAPPY WITH....not a movie that my friends and family enjoyed and had fun in....I want to totally share that experience with them, I didn't in the first movie, I hope to this movie.....

 

[Carp Man]

Look. I'm to the point now where this discussion is getting a bit old. Sue has a bigger part ? I say great. Go Jessica, and give it your best. If she uses her powers to save the guys, ok. The bottom line is all 4 work together. Their a team. It was never important who did what, or who saved the day. 1 time it was Ben, another time it was Johnny, another time it was Reed, another time it was Sue. Sue saved the day in the early issues quite a few times, with her invisability, and force shield. She's the only 1 in the groupe with 2 powers.

 

[Dragon]

Dragon, its not a huge debate or discussion here....LOL....I agree with alot of what you are saying..."I stand corrected" you didn't say weaker...I believe my comment showed that I wasn't sure....who has said that the other characters are going to be torn down????? nothing Jessica said told us that....

How do you think they're going to show that she's the most powerful? By making the others appear weaker. There's no other way of displaying that.

*sighs*.....I'm not arguing that the four should not have fairly equal time, (I wasn't happy with the 1.5 hero movie the first time around, why would I want that again?) nor am I happy with Sue somehow is getting everyone's power even though in 2004 she did have Johnny's powers for alittle while....but if she takes a Malice type of thing, then cool....I'm happy with that....thats a storyline I've wanted from the beginning.....if that doesn' happen thats ok too, I'm not going to cry about it.....I just want a very enjoyable, fun, exciting summer movie, that I'M HAPPY WITH....not a movie that my friends and family enjoyed and had fun in....I want to totally share that experience with them, I didn't in the first movie, I hope to this movie.....

I personally hope they avoid the Malice story. We've just seen the same damn thing in X3. And, there are FAR better stories to tell, which -again- make the whole team shine.

 

[Kelly]

How do you think they're going to show that she's the most powerful? By making the others appear weaker. There's no other way of displaying that.

They've done it in the comics, imo, they can do it in the movie.....I bdon't think they have to show the weakness at all....she turns on them....are they going to hit her with all of their power....of course not....does that show they are weak....no....shows they love Sue.....nothing wrong with that....

Again, I just think we are reading way too much into quotes that could very easily be taken out of context by the writer to sound bigger than they are.....

I personally hope they avoid the Malice story. We've just seen the same damn thing in X3. And, there are FAR better stories to tell, which -again- make the whole team shine.

Just a story I enjoyed reading...would enjoy seeing it on the screen....doesn't mean it has to be the only story...w/ SS apparently wouldn't be....

 

[EternalMaster]

Man, this blows.

I was here on these boards before FF 1 came out. I was defending the film left and right. Keeping hope that the script would turn out ok... that the plot would be solid... that the FX would been improved from what we saw in the trailers. And then FOX lets me down with a horribly edited movie with almost embarassingly cheesy moments, and mediocre directing. But at least... some parts of the FF's origin and general "vibe" were still there.

Doom was 100% awful, but the FF were still intact.

But now they're gonna go even more off-course with a Silver Surfer - Reed -Sue love triangle? Good Lord. Even from the stance of a common movie goer, that just sounds horrible.

Ack. No more defending FF for me. First one was mediocre, and I saw no reason for a sequel. But now they're gonna screw up poor Surfer's chances of ever having a meaningful movie of his own.

 

[Dragon]

They've done it in the comics, imo, they can do it in the movie.....I bdon't think they have to show the weakness at all....she turns on them....are they going to hit her with all of their power....of course not....does that show they are weak....no....shows they love Sue.....nothing wrong with that....

We're on the same page, Kel. I agree with you 100%. So then...why..say..she's... the most powerful on the team? What purpose does it serve? How does it make the book better?

Again, I just think we are reading way too much into quotes that could very easily be taken out of context by the writer to sound bigger than they are.....

I hope you're right. But after the first film, you'll have to forgive my cynicism.

Just a story I enjoyed reading...would enjoy seeing it on the screen....doesn't mean it has to be the only story...w/ SS apparently wouldn't be....

Understood. And if they do use the story- I hope they present more than just Jessica in an S&M suit.

 

[Kelly]

We're on the same page, Kel. I agree with you 100%. So then...why..say..she's... the most powerful on the team? What purpose does it serve? How does it make the book better?

She was excited Dragon, she's just excited about her character getting to maybe do some pretty cool stuff....;et's chill and wait

I hope you're right. But after the first film, you'll have to forgive my cynicism.

I understand...

Understood. And if they do use the story- I hope they present more than just Jessica in an S&M suit.

Agreed, and knowing Jessica she agrees too....

Also, just a few things to keep in mine......I do, as I read any quotes from anyone in print....

1. What was the context of the quote?
2. What was the question?
3. Was their any change in the quote? words left out...etc.
4. What was the emotion behind the quote?

We know none of these things......and therefore truly know very little.....
Yet, drama all over the place.....

• Triangle we do know (not happy with that) how much of a triangle, we don't know....is it that Sue shows this guy from another place alittle bit of compassion and he responds to that? is it a true triangle (unlike in the last movie) where the 2 men are actually vying for her love?
  Is the heat between Reed and SS because Reed sees him as a threat, and Sue doesn't? is that the triangle....WE JUST DON'T KNOW...

• Sort of having the other's powers....Is that her saying she gets to fly? which she can do with her forcefields....or is it totally she becomes just like them...???? WE JUST DON'T KNOW...

• Sue is the most powerful....she has said that before in interviews, she said it a few times on the video dairy and it was always in the manner of play....and maybe she is simply quoting what some have read as well from different writers....WE JUST DON'T KNOW....

• The "boy" comment.....looks to me like a "young" "hip" use of "boy" as many, many use....not meaning she thinks he's a little boy with no power....WE JUST DON'T KNOW....

Soooo with all that we don't know, and with what we do......I say we wait and not build an entire freaking movie around a few comments from an actress who probably got caught outside the MTV studios in LA filming the parodies, and was shot several questions, a few about F4 2, and quickly answered.....and moved on to the next appointment....the entire thing probably took no more than 5 minutes if she even stopped that long....

I'm waiting and chilling......

 

[liesse00]

Something that popped in my head recently. I remember when the first movie came out a lot of critics and people were complaining about Jessica Alba being the Invisable Woman and how she shouldn't go invisable and be on screen at all time. And now she has all these rumored new powers and it sounds like she will be on screen quite a bit unless they're all invisable powers. Just something I thougt of.

 

[Kelly]

Something that popped in my head recently. I remember when the first movie came out a lot of critics and people were complaining about Jessica Alba being the Invisable Woman and how she shouldn't go invisable and be on screen at all time. And now she has all these rumored new powers and it sounds like she will be on screen quite a bit unless they're all invisable powers. Just something I thougt of.

The complaints weren't about her going invisible....the complaints were that she was there at all...

 

[liesse00]

no the complaints were that she shouldn't go invisable because guys want to look at her all the time.

 

[Kelly]

no the complaints were that she shouldn't go invisable because guys want to look at her all the time.

You weren't around here in 2004 -- early 2005 heck, all over the internet look at those that complain about her RIGHT NOW...very few wanted her in the part...most complaints were "SHE'S WRONG FOR THE PART" the only ones complaining about her being invisible were those that were happy with her casting or at least ok with it. Probably more of the later.

 

[rguy]

Galactus by the end of the movie could turn sue evil into Malice ready for the third film where she would be the main character!

 

[GhostPoet]

You can't go by what actors say. They don't know anything

 

[gvcool2]

You can't go by what actors say. They don't know anything

especially jessica alba

 

[Excel]

Sounds like it's going to be a great, mainstream crowd-pleasing, summer popcorn flick.

Unfortunately for fans of the source material, it also sounds like as big of a train wreck as the first one.

Oh, well.