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[BMox]

Ok, here's my thing.

So Spidey is allowed to be in one MCU film, and then they make this Marvel/Sony 2017 film.

Not at any point does it say that the 2017 film will tie into the MCU, only that Marvel is jointly creating it.

And after that? Sony can go back to how it was before no?

I don't think this deal is as good as people are making it out to be if I'm being honest.

 

[degraves93]

Ok, here's my thing.

So Spidey is allowed to be in one MCU film, and then they make this Marvel/Sony 2017 film.

Not at any point does it say that the 2017 film will tie into the MCU, only that Marvel is jointly creating it.

And after that? Sony can go back to how it was before no?

I don't think this deal is as good as people are making it out to be if I'm being honest.

It was not said anywhere that the deal would expire after 2017. Why would there be an MCU Spider-Man with no ties to the MCU in his own films?

 

[spiderman2]

Ok, here's my thing.

So Spidey is allowed to be in one MCU film, and then they make this Marvel/Sony 2017 film.

Not at any point does it say that the 2017 film will tie into the MCU, only that Marvel is jointly creating it.

And after that? Sony can go back to how it was before no?

I don't think this deal is as good as people are making it out to be if I'm being honest.

I am still kind of confused on things to but who knows I am sure we will get more news between now and comic con that's for sure. But why would sony go back to how things are before if it dose a lot better both finachley and reviews wise?

 

[degraves93]

I am still kind of confused on things to but who knows I am sure we will get more news between now and comic con that's for sure. But why would sony go back to how things are before if it dose a lot better both finachley and reviews wise?

Exactly. This deal was to help reinvigorate their franchise, and integrate it into the MCU. Why would they back out on that lucrative offer only after one film?

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Most likely just the beginning of something bigger.

 

[spiderman2]

Most likely just the beginning of something bigger.

Yeah I think this is just the begging in less some how the movie doesn't do so while.

 

[Dasher10]

I get the feeling that the deal is broader. Marvel isn't going to do Defenders and Avengers without Spider-Man and Sony isn't going to reboot and only have the first film take place in the MCU. Odds are that Marvel is going to want a lot of Spider-Man appearances in various films and TV shows and Sony is going to want to bring in as many MCU actors as possible for the Spider-Man films.

Marvel is going to want Spider-Man as an Avenger and Defender and they'll want Spider-Man for the finale of the first or second season of Iron Fist for the big showdown in Central park with Steel Serpent. Marvel is also going to want Spider-Woman for Agents of SHIELD.

Sony is going to want to involve Luke Cage, Daredevil, Captain America and Iron Man in the Spider-Man films. They're going to want to see if they can get Marvel's permission to retool Sinister Six into Thunderbolts.

That's not getting into the villains. Sony is going to want to use Kingpin and if Marvel uses Spider-Man in Infinity War, you can bet that Sony is going to want to use Doppleganger as well. This isn't getting into Stilt Man and Ghost.

Marvel is also going to want Daredevil to fight Electro and Iron Man to fight Doc Ock.

 

[spiderman2]

Do you guys think that the movie will make a billion? A billion is not has hard has it used to be with higher ticket prices and with the international market getting bigger and bigger but its still not easy. I don't think the movie will make a billion. I know this is marvel and all but after the last 3 sm movies I think there has been enough damaged that it is going to take 2 good/great sm movies for the movie to get back to what it could should make. I see the movie making like 800 million and a sequel doing much more at like 1.4 billion or something like that.

 

[degraves93]

I get the feeling that the deal is broader. Marvel isn't going to do Defenders and Avengers without Spider-Man and Sony isn't going to reboot and only have the first film take place in the MCU. Odds are that Marvel is going to want a lot of Spider-Man appearances in various films and TV shows and Sony is going to want to bring in as many MCU actors as possible for the Spider-Man films.

Ex-freaking-actly. Why in the hell would Marvel be OK with Spider-Man only appearing in of their own films and nothing else? They have been wanting this to happen for years.

 

[DigificWriter]

Based on what we know, the scope of this deal appears to be currently limited to one Marvel Studios film and the 2017 Spider-Man film voluntarily co-produced by Kevin Feige, but will most likely be extended and/or expanded upon in the future.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Do you guys think that the movie will make a billion? A billion is not has hard has it used to be with higher ticket prices and with the international market getting bigger and bigger but its still not easy. I don't think the movie will make a billion. I know this is marvel and all but after the last 3 sm movies I think there has been enough damaged that it is going to take 2 good/great sm movies for the movie to get back to what it could should make. I see the movie making like 800 million and a sequel doing much more at like 1.4 billion or something like that.

Something like that. If the film turns out to be better quality then the Sony films (which isn't hard), I'd say 800-850 million is a solid starting point for the series.

 

[spiderman2]

Something like that. If the film turns out to be better quality then the Sony films (which isn't hard), I'd say 800-850 million is a solid starting point for the series.

Yeah that would still be like 100-150 million more then asm2 and more then asm1 has while so that would be a good start.

 

[DigificWriter]

Something like that. If the film turns out to be better quality then the Sony films (which isn't hard), I'd say 800-850 million is a solid starting point for the series.

You forgot to add a 'previous' in there.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Should have just said Webb

 

[kaijunexus]

I simply don't like how messy this makes things for the MCU. Before this, it was clean and isolated.

Now, we have to worry about if this 2017 film will be in continuity or not. If it is, that means that a film doesn't have to be produced by Marvel Studios to be in the MCU. If it's not, then what does that mean for the Spider-Man that appears in Civil War, or the MCU-originated characters that will appear in the 2017 film.

I hate this deal.

 

[Super Jim]

Guess I'm a bit confused. So many people on here are calling this an MCU Spider Man "Reboot", but then others are saying no, Sony keeps Spidey and keeps on doing their own movies, but Disney gets to use Spidey in one or two movies and that all SPidey stuff is happening within the MCU.

Guess the point is that I'm just not as excited as a lot of the other people on here. Yes, it will be cool to see Spidey in a Marvel movie along with the Avengers and whichever other characters are there, but Sony still has the ability to be stupid and do things like the Sinister Six (which yes, I get they "pushed back") and Venom!

Please, someone say something to make me feel better about this deal!

 

[Octoberist]

Guess I'm a bit confused. So many people on here are calling this an MCU Spider Man "Reboot", but then others are saying no, Sony keeps Spidey and keeps on doing their own movies, but Disney gets to use Spidey in one or two movies and that all SPidey stuff is happening within the MCU.

Guess the point is that I'm just not as excited as a lot of the other people on here. Yes, it will be cool to see Spidey in a Marvel movie along with the Avengers and whichever other characters are there, but Sony still has the ability to be stupid and do things like the Sinister Six (which yes, I get they "pushed back") and Venom!

Please, someone say something to make me feel better about this deal!

While 'Venom' and 'S6' are still in development, its being reworked to fit the main series, which is still being produced by Feige and Marvel. People think it's only Spider-Man 2017 but it includes it sequels too.

That means that Feige are trying to figure out how to tie in the main Spider-Man series, and the events of the Avengers, and the Netflix shows together. Afterwards, Sony will try to figure in their spin-offs.

So in other words, the spinoffs are in 'active' development but they're on the back burner.

 

[Super Jim]

I get that, but doesn't that really mean that Sony will be doing their own Spiderman films, as well as future spin-offs, while Marvel/Disney gets to use the Spider Man character one or two times in their movies, which will not be a Spidey solo movie?

 

[Spider2099]

So Spidey is allowed to be in one MCU film, and then they make this Marvel/Sony 2017 film.

At least one MCU film (for now).

Not at any point does it say that the 2017 film will tie into the MCU, only that Marvel is jointly creating it.

It does not literally say that verbatim but the 2017 film will tie into the MCU. Spider-Man is first being introduced in an MCU movie and will then get a solo film that continues after that. This means that the 2017 film takes place in the MCU.

And after that? Sony can go back to how it was before no?

Not exactly. I can't say this for sure but I don't think Marvel is just going to help make one movie, establish Spider-Man as an MCU character, and then let Sony do whatever they want with the character afterwards.

I don't think this deal is as good as people are making it out to be if I'm being honest.

This deal isn't as bad as some people are making it out to be either.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

It's a lousy deal with enough technical loopholes in it that can be potentially problematic. the last thing the MCU needs is a couple of subpar associated movies.

On the plus side Sony and EON have a similar relationship and it works pretty well

 

[Team Andino]

It's a lousy deal with enough technical loopholes in it that can be potentially problematic. the last thing the MCU needs is a couple of subpar associated movies.

On the plus side Sony and EON have a similar relationship and it works pretty well

That's been the worry for me in the back of my head since the news broke. It's great we'll have Spidey in the MCU, I'm just worried about lousy spin offs that could water down the effect the MCU has been producing. I just hate there possibly being some pieces of the puzzle that Marvel isn't fully in control of. My hope is quietly those spin offs disappear, and that Marvel has more control than Sony is revealing.

 

[Spider2099]

Well I'm mostly concerned about the main Spider-Man films. Let's not worry about the spin-offs just yet.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Until these spin-offs go into production, I still don't think they will happen.

 

[Spider2099]

Keep in mind that if these spin-offs do end up happening then they won't have anything to do with the TASM movies. I actually do want to see a Venom movies at some point. Spider-Man should fight the Sinister Six but I don't think they should get their own movie.

 

[Team Andino]

Well I'm mostly concerned about the main Spider-Man films. Let's not worry about the spin-offs just yet.

I'm not as worried about the main Spidey films since Feige is supposed to be involved creatively for that film, from what I'm reading though Feige isn't supposed to be involved with the spin offs. That's why they make me worry. Then again they could (and hopefully will) quietly disappear in the near future.