BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - Part 104

[LEVITIKUZ]

I'd also like to see Mad Hatter and one of my favorites, Two-Face. I know that he was already in TDK, but not much time and they ignored his distinctive schizophrenia. And I liked Eckhart version, it worked perfect within the story's plot, but would like to see a proper one now..

If Mad Hatter was gonna be the villain, I know that WB wouldn't allow the Mad Hatter I prefer and like which is the child molester Mad Hatter take which I think improves the character and makes him more disturbing.

Mad Hatter when you think about it is a dark reflection on Batman in terms of young people. We see Batman go through and have multiple Robins who look very much the same and he sorta treats them right. Mad Hatter meanwhile goes after young sometimes young age women seeking his Alice. Alice is to Mad Hatter what Robin is to Batman in many ways and what Hatter does with Alice is a 180 to what Batman does with Robin. Well not including Frank Miller Batman but still.

WB would never allow a child molesting pedophile Batman villain on the big screen.

I am way in the minority here... Joker, Ra's, Catwoman(?), Two-Face, Scarecrow... The rest could disappear off the face of the Earth and I wouldn't shed a tear. I actually think in terms of variety of both gimmicks and personality that Spidey and the Flash have the edge on Batman's rogues... I prepare for the public flogging I am about to receive.

So all the villains Nolan did?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I am way in the minority here... Joker, Ra's, Catwoman(?), Two-Face, Scarecrow... The rest could disappear off the face of the Earth and I wouldn't shed a tear. I actually think in terms of variety of both gimmicks and personality that Spidey and the Flash have the edge on Batman's rogues... I prepare for the public flogging I am about to receive.

here, have an internet umbrella, the s__tstorm is coming

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think INC's post made me legitimately angry.

 

[matt47]

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[Mrs. Wayne]

I am way in the minority here... Joker, Ra's, Catwoman(?), Two-Face, Scarecrow... The rest could disappear off the face of the Earth and I wouldn't shed a tear. I actually think in terms of variety of both gimmicks and personality that Spidey and the Flash have the edge on Batman's rogues... I prepare for the public flogging I am about to receive.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I think INC's post made me legitimately angry.

 

[Iceman]

The 2 villains we really need is Freeze and Riddler. Have Penguin as a mob boss in Gotham and maybe even Croc work for Penguin. Have Two-Face or Black Mask as the rival gang.

But still Freeze and Riddler are the 2 villains with the most potential for a great film without using Joker again.

I would love if they could establish something like this with Penguin & Two Face (and later Black Mask) as different gang bosses who exist in the universe over multiple films without being the main villain who could be Freeze or Riddler. I'd love to see Killer Croc if he can fit.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Flogging seems excessive. We'll just tar and feather you so you and everyone else will know your shame.

here, have an internet umbrella, the s__tstorm is coming

I think INC's post made me legitimately angry.

Yeah... I figured that would be the response from most. t:

Honestly, I find those I listed the ones that are really interesting and with some depth, not to mention they seem more versatile, story wise. The others just don't do it for me. Spidey and Flash's baddies are more diverse in power sets, personalities ect.

I am at least self aware enough to know that all three have better villains than 95% of Superman's foes, as much as I love big blue.

 

[KillerWolf]

If Mad Hatter was gonna be the villain, I know that WB wouldn't allow the Mad Hatter I prefer and like which is the child molester Mad Hatter take which I think improves the character and makes him more disturbing.

Mad Hatter when you think about it is a dark reflection on Batman in terms of young people. We see Batman go through and have multiple Robins who look very much the same and he sorta treats them right. Mad Hatter meanwhile goes after young sometimes young age women seeking his Alice. Alice is to Mad Hatter what Robin is to Batman in many ways and what Hatter does with Alice is a 180 to what Batman does with Robin. Well not including Frank Miller Batman but still.

WB would never allow a child molesting pedophile Batman villain on the big screen.

Yeah, and it is a shame. I always believed that Batman movies need to be R-rated to truly be Batman movies.

I remember watching the "The Watchmen", especially that Rorschach scene when he finds bones of those dead children and thinking "this is how Batman movie should be like, they should give this guy Snyder to make it".

Now, ironically, Snyder is tied to the Batman mythos, but even if he gets to direct Batman solos won't be allowed to make them like "Watchmen".

And about Mad Hatter being a dark reflection of Batman, It's nice observation. Though, arguably almost every villain from that rogue gallery is either the reflection of Batman or Bruce Wayne.

Joker, Mad Hatter, Scarecrow - reflections of Batman persona.

Hush, Mr. Freeze, Black Mask - reflections of Bruce Wayne persona.

Two-Face - reflection of both of them.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I have a feeling General Swanwick will be killed in this film replaced by General Lane in a future Solo movie. A perfect way to introduce General Lance as superman military contract

 

[Sawyer]

Yeah, and it is a shame. I always believed that Batman movies need to be R-rated to truly be Batman movies.

Eh, don't know that I agree with that, but you made some good points...

 

[TheNextNolan22]

The only Batman movie that would ever be R-Rated would be a live action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns and that'll never happen because you can't make a Batman that you can't sell to kids.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I don't really agree with needing an R rating to tell a Batman story...

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

you could make a R batman movie but only for Blue Ray with a director cut of course which could add some scene that is a bit more violence

 

[Iceman]

Rorshach needs a R rating but I don't think Batman does.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

That GIF..

 

[John Locke]

Batman doesn't need an R rating. Some of his villains might but not him.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The only Batman movie that would ever be R-Rated would be a live action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns and that'll never happen because you can't make a Batman that you can't sell to kids.

unless we can find a multi billionaire with a passion for CBMs to fund the entire movie.

any multi billionaires here? t:

 

[KillerWolf]

The only Batman movie that would ever be R-Rated would be a live action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns and that'll never happen because you can't make a Batman that you can't sell to kids.

Of course that R-rated Batman won't happen because of the kids, but why "Returns" though?

They already made an animated movie out of it and children are watching it. It's neither that dark nor that brutal.

I don't really agree with needing an R rating to tell a Batman story...

Not to tell it, of course, but to get that dark and threatening atmosphere from some of the comics.

Then again TDK felt dark and wasn't R-rated. And there wasn't much of graphic violence neither. Yeah, my point is getting more moot by the minute...

Still I would like to get at least one very dark and brutal Batman movie. And making it R-rated from the start solves the problem with kids seeing it.

Batman doesn't need an R rating. Some of his villains might but not him.

Well that was my point. Joker shooting Barbara in the spine and beating Jason Todd to death, Black Mask with his torture methods, Mad Hatter who's child molester.

It's hardly children-friendly.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Were young kids really the target demo for TDKReturns DC animated film though?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

^ Do kids even read comics anymore?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

^ Do kids even read comics anymore?

I don't think kids even read anymore

 

[RadioSha]

I would love if they could establish something like this with Penguin & Two Face (and later Black Mask) as different gang bosses who exist in the universe over multiple films without being the main villain who could be Freeze or Riddler. I'd love to see Killer Croc if he can fit.

I would love that angle. A Gotham gang war plot of some sorts that extends over an entire film trilogy- that way, we can truly witness the wealth of Batman's rogue gallery.

This scenario would also remove other Justice League members from popping up (for the most part) since this type of situation is logistically complex and deals with many intertwining, continuous relations that needs to be tackled from the underground. What I'm saying is that the gang war is not necessarily an emergency situation that would require a Justice League. It's corruption stretching decades starting before Bruce Wayne's birth (shout out to the Court of Owls) until now with many icons rising and falling to power. It would require the expertise of a Batman to unpack the system.

One thing though, I think this is basically the plan for "Gotham" the show. Nevermind lol

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I don't think kids even read anymore

True.

 

[AnneFan]

True.

Wot did u sai m8?

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