BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - Part 167

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I'm aware of that, but those very same stretches of scifi babble can be applied to Greek myths as well. Only difference is the latter has been established as a bygone period of magical heroes, so no one wants to mess with and redefine their existence.

That's what I was saying earlier, just gives us something to latch on to. I'm not opposed to magic, just unexplained magic for magic's sake.

Is not that hard to grasp.

It's not hard to grasp, it's hard to take seriously.

 

[Enriquespy]

¿How can it remain magic if it is explained?

 

[roach]

It's easier to buy an unbelievable story over an impossible one. And many people just find unexplained magic impossible.

To each their own, I suppose.

magic is the explanation.
If you walk into a room and turn on a light switch you klnow science is at work...the switch activates the circuit allowing electricity to go to the bulb and lighting the room.
That's the science explanation.
In Magic I could enter a room and snap my fingers and
1) an orb of light appears to brighten the room
2) six demons appear holding candles
3) light pours in from an unknown source.

now in those 3 examples you could try to use some psuedo - scientific explantion but the real reason is Magic. It's outside the realm of science. You can't explain it because it's magic. There can be rules to magic...there can be defined boundaries. Magic cannot explain science and science cannot explain magic...it's like using your lungs as eyes...its not what its used for.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

i've been casting spells for years on the fairer sex, and i'll be durned if i know the science behind it

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

¿How can it remain magic if it is explained?

If I had it my way there would be no Magic, just simple one liners giving us the impression of meaning, only an impression.

But like I've said before, we'll get what we get.

 

[Enriquespy]

Fair enough.

I thing Roach explained my point of view better than I could.
So there is that.

 

[roach]

Martial arts are easier for audience to grasp than "I'm the daughter of Zeus". Besides we don't know how important Wonder Woman will be in BvS.

I wasnt commenting on believeabliity...BW was a minor character in the movie and so her abilities and tech werent explained

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

magic is the explanation.
If you walk into a room and turn on a light switch you klnow science is at work...the switch activates the circuit allowing electricity to go to the bulb and lighting the room.
That's the science explanation.
In Magic I could enter a room and snap my fingers and
1) an orb of light appears to brighten the room
2) six demons appear holding candles
3) light pours in from an unknown source.

now in those 3 examples you could try to use some psuedo - scientific explantion but the real reason is Magic. It's outside the realm of science. You can't explain it because it's magic. There can be rules to magic...there can be defined boundaries. Magic cannot explain science and science cannot explain magic...it's like using your lungs as eyes...its not what its used for.

What I meant was magic is impossible as we know it. Magic is not part of every day life, if we see something that doesn't fit (even tangentially) into what we know as reality it's a departure. Some people like that some don't. There is no right answer here, if people are split then all we can do is wait and see.

 

[roach]

If I had it my way there would be no Magic, just simple one liners giving us the impression of meaning, only an impression.

But like I've said before, we'll get what we get.

and while that may work on WW...it wil be harder to come up with a science explanation for Shazam...a boy who turns into a superpowered adult just by uttering a word.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I wasnt commenting on believeabliity...BW was a minor character in the movie and so her abilities and tech werent explained

People can infer, being the offspring of gods is a little more foreign.

 

[roach]

What I meant was magic is impossible as we know it. Magic is not part of every day life, if we see something that doesn't fit (even tangentially) into what we know as reality it's a departure. Some people like that some don't. There is no right answer here, if people are split then all we can do is wait and see.

If we eliminate things that we dont see everyday...what would be left of the superhero genre?

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

and while that may work on WW...it wil be harder to come up with a science explanation for Shazam...a boy who turns into a superpowered adult just by uttering a word.

Ya, definitely. That might be the point I check out, We'll have to see what happens.

 

[Jekecy]

and while that may work on WW...it wil be harder to come up with a science explanation for Shazam...a boy who turns into a superpowered adult just by uttering a word.

I think WB/DC should cancel their plans. This is going to backfire!

 

[roach]

People can infer, being the offspring of gods is a little more foreign.

the point I am trying to make is I dont think we'll get an explanation

 

[Enriquespy]

being the offspring of gods is a little more foreign.

Yes, because Hercules and Jesus Crist are obscure characters.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I think WB/DC should cancel their plans. This is going to backfire!

#DChasNoPlan!

 

[MaceB]

You cannot possibly explain how Supes' ability to fire red beams from his eyes, or move at supersonic speed, is any more realistic than the magic found in Greek myths. Or can you?

People have accepted Zeus and his many companions are fake. It's starting to sound like people are waiting around hoping someone like Supes shows up.

I can, but you don't seem to accept the answer I'm giving you. It's the only one i got, but I feel like it's more than enough. I don't need to prove that an exact replica of Superman exists in this universe. All I have to prove is that the potential exists for humanoid aliens with powers and talents beyond ours. If you can accept that, then it's one step away from believing that Superman maybe, kinda, could possibly happen.
Greek myths are pure fantasy on the other hand. There is no conceivable rational for them being real and walking among us. Thus, viewers would have to accept not only that our myths are true and magic immortals have always existed, but that they don't age, and that they could come to our world whenever they choose.
In the case of Superman, I have to suspend disbelief less...it's as simple as that. The believability between metahuman aliens and greek gods who don't die is so vast, that it shouldn't need explaining. You don't have to accept the logic behind this, but reasonably you should be able to accept why others might care about this distinction. Especially given MOS, which painted the world as one of science similar to ours.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Yes, because Hercules and Jesus Crist are obscure characters.

I said foreign not obscure. Many people in the West don't know the history of Zeus and the greek pantheon. Many people don't believe in Gods (any gods) and that's just one more point of separation.

 

[roach]

Ya, definitely. That might be the point I check out, We'll have to see what happens.

this saddens me. I feel like a lot of people feel this way. Movies like this should be about imagination. I don't believe in ghosts but I'll watch Ghostbusters. I dont believe in magic but I'll watch LOTR or Harry Potter.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

does a ten year old boy need a reason for things like shazam? i sure didn't and i hope the filmmakers keep that in mind. having to satiate the mind of us overgrown fanboys should be secondary to creating a sense of cinematic wonder for the target audience

 

[roach]

#DChasNoPlan!

#givetherightsback

 

[roach]

I said foreign not obscure. Many people in the West don't know the history of Zeus and the greek pantheon. Many people don't believe in Gods (any gods) and that's just one more point of separation.

They dont teach Greek Mythology in school anymore.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

They dont teach Greek Mythology in school anymore.

they did here in Canada, but only for like 3 weeks in grade 6.

 

[Luigi Vercotti]

Okay, we can accept gods with superpowers among us if they're aliens, but we can't accept them if our ancestors didn't have the knowledge to call them aliens instead of "Gods??"

 

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