BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - Part 188

[WoodyROM]

In B&R he killed Chris O'Donnel's career

 

[ThePhantasm]

Batman'89: Kills Joker, goons at Axis
Batman Returns: Kills circus thugs, Penguin
Batman Forever: Kills Two-Face
Batman and Robin: Nada
Batman Begins: Explodes LOS people, kills Ra's
TDK: Kills Two-Face
TDKR: Kills Talia al Ghul, intends to kill Bane but Catwoman does it instead

 

[Dr.]

But with TDK..He totally killed Harvey.

Batman’s main motive was to save Gordon’s son, not to kill Dent. Dent was collateral damage. It’s the “Trolley Problem.”

 

[matt47]

He could have done a million different things in that scene. I mean, It's Batman, he should have snuck up behind dent and restrained him before he started aiming guns at people.

 

[Bruce Malone]

That's how the plot of the film went and I think it worked.

Dr. has a point, there is a huge difference between going out with killing as the motive and having it be an untended consequence.

Frankly Batman paid dearly for that aspect as we saw, him having to disappear for years and what-not. I think they handled that aspect well.

It was miles from Batman strapping a bomb to a goon and grinning maniacally.

Although in that film I didn't have a huge problem with it since the whole movie was so abstract.

 

[WitchTrialz]

He could have done a million different things in that scene. I mean, It's Batman, he should have snuck up behind dent and restrained him before he started aiming guns at people.

If it were comic book batman or even Burton batman, he would have thrown a batarang from the shadows to knock Harvey's gun out of his hand.
But subduing him from behind instead of just casually walking in front of the crosshairs would have been better

 

[WitchTrialz]

That's how the plot of the film went and I think it worked.

Dr. has a point, there is a huge difference between going out with killing as the motive and having it be an untended consequence.

Frankly Batman paid dearly for that aspect as we saw, him having to disappear for years and what-not. I think they handled that aspect well.

It was miles from Batman strapping a bomb to a good and grinning maniacally.

Although in that film I didn't have a huge problem with it since the whole movie was so abstract.

Very true. Harvey's death was a HUGE deal not just to batman but all of Gotham and nolans story. Bane used it against him.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Batman'89: Kills Joker, goons at Axis
Batman Returns: Kills circus thugs, Penguin
Batman Forever: Kills Two-Face
Batman and Robin: Nada
Batman Begins: Explodes LOS people, kills Ra's
TDK: Kills Two-Face
TDKR: Kills Talia al Ghul, intends to kill Bane but Catwoman does it instead

"That's for hurting young boys, Harvey."
What a friend.

 

[titansupes]

Edit

 

[Dr.]

He could have done a million different things in that scene. I mean, It's Batman, he should have snuck up behind dent and restrained him before he started aiming guns at people.

Well, yes; assuming “prep time” omniscience, Batman is ready for absolutely every contingency. But in this case, he believed he could save/redeem Dent. Alas, Dent was too far gone. And after being shot in the gut (which presumably caused some degree of debilitation) Batman’s options were limited.

 

[chamber-music]

Batman’s main motive was to save Gordon’s son, not to kill Dent. Dent was collateral damage. It’s the “Trolley Problem.”

Yep. Batman had been shot and he basically flung himself at Two Face in an attempt to save Gordon's son.

Batman wasn't thinking "I'm going to murder Harvey". Earlier in the movie Batman and Rachel fell from Bruce's Penthouse and survived.

Batman tackled Harvey from a far smaller height. Harvey landed badly and broke his neck. It was manslaughter at best.

Batman didn't kill Ra's either. Ra's destroyed the controls for the train himself and Gordon blew out the tracks. Batman just saved himself which is morally dubious but not legally murder.

Batman totally murdered those League guys in Batman Begins though.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Ahem... Bat-darts. Tranq Dent from the shadows. Go home.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Nolan's batman doesn't have any of those.

 

[WitchTrialz]

Nolan's batman doesn't have any of those.

I read this in bales bat voice and LOL'd

 

[AnneFan]

Nolan's batman doesn't have any of those.

He had them in Rises.

 

[souperman]

...the sad failure with Dent in TDK brought rise to the tranq darts in Rises...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I read this in bales bat voice and LOL'd

Perfection.
How it should be done.

He had them in Rises.

...the sad failure with Dent in TDK brought rise to the tranq darts in Rises...

I don't remember those.

 

[souperman]

Perfection.
How it should be done.



I don't remember those.

they were tiny "baterang" shaped darts that stuck in bad guys necks...

Not sure how ballistic-ally aerodynamic those would be...

check out 1:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDdX6meXcY4

 

[king666]

Could just be the photo is so awesome people needed to see it.

I'm hoping it's a vision, Batman killing makes me nervous.

Batman killing is unnecessary. But yeah, it's probably a nightmare scene or something.

 

[MrsKent26]

Regardless of past incarnations, I prefer that Affleck's batman doesn't kill. It makes a nice contrast to supes if he doesn't and helps fuel their conflict.

 

[roach]

When did he kill in The Dark Knight?
Or Batman & Robin?

In Batman & Robin he killed the franchise

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Nolan's batman doesn't have any of those.

That's why he sucks.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Regardless of past incarnations, I prefer that Affleck's batman doesn't kill. It makes a nice contrast to supes if he doesn't and helps fuel their conflict.

No. Their contrast is not going to be that Superman will kill his enemies, and Batman won't. Bruce does not trust the danger of this powerful alien being now known as Superman. That's the conflict. Maybe the man of murder jokes has clouded some thinking in here. Very rarely do I see a MrsKent post I disagree with

Killing Zod was the exception to the rule. It was the last resort. Superman will have a reluctance to ever turn to that amount of force again. Batman can still be the one that goes further with the human scum than Superman ever would. That doesn't change because Superman dealt with a Kryptonian that was going to wipe out the human race.

 

[Kane52630]

Batman'89: Kills Joker, goons at Axis
Batman Returns: Kills circus thugs, Penguin
Batman Forever: Kills Two-Face
Batman and Robin: Nada
Batman Begins: Explodes LOS people, kills Ra's
TDK: Kills Two-Face
TDKR: Kills Talia al Ghul, intends to kill Bane but Catwoman does it instead

So you're saying B&R is the most pure Batman?

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

So you're saying B&R is the most pure Batman?