BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2

[TDKR1977]

We don't know that, he might've tried to kill Joker and he has been in intensive care since?

I think killing Robin is what earned him those silver teeth. Compliments of Batman.

 

[matt47]

I think killing Robin is what earned him those silver teeth. Compliments of Batman.

and all those scars on his face.

 

[Broseph44]

So let me get this straight; Bruce is willing to break his "One Rule" in order to rid the world of Superman...

But he refuses to do the same thing with the guy that killed his protege and looks like this...

Maybe you'll wanna see the movies first and actually find out the deal with him and Joker before you make statements like that. And yes I know you out the sarcastic face etc but with you sometimes it's not sarcasm.

 

[Guts]

So let me get this straight; Bruce is willing to break his "One Rule" in order to rid the world of Superman...

But he refuses to do the same thing with the guy that killed his protege and looks like this...

That's because Joker is Jason Todd.

Maybe Joker having the same exact gun confirms this movie is a part of the Ayer shared universe. Jared said he likes to think the Joker is older than he looks so maybe Norman from Fury is actually Jason Todd and he becomes the Joker.

 

[Gee]

So let me get this straight; Bruce is willing to break his "One Rule" in order to rid the world of Superman...

But he refuses to do the same thing with the guy that killed his protege and looks like this...

Maybe Bruce doesn't value the life of a powerful alien the same as the life of a mere mortal, even with all the terrible things the Joker has committed.

 

[Broseph44]

Also I'm watching The X-Files and the spot they showed was the same Knightmare spot we've already seen.

 

[John Locke]

Yeah, I was just about to post that. It's the same TV spot they showed with Gotham.

 

[Rapunzel]

I don't find Batman to be any more at fault than Superman here... both are focusing on one side of the other character and forget about the other... Bruce should be able to realize that Superman is here to do good from what he's been doing lately, same as we saw Clark investigating Batman, so he should have known that Batman saved countless of lives and is very important for the good of Gotham City.

But Bruce is focused on Superman's genuinely terrifying powers and the fact that he was responsible for enormous collateral damage and could likely be responsible for something like that again, even without the possibility of him just deciding to turn against the mankind one day and devastating the entire Earth in one afternoon. And Bruce, being what he is, takes that "1%" possibility very seriously. Clark is focused on Batman's "brutal" methods, failing to see a greater good that comes out of Batman's presence, so he comes to the city he's been defending for 20 years and arrogantly orders him to hang the cape.

We see Clark's idealism disdaining Batman's methods and Bruce's cynical, tactical mind planning to prevent a scenario where an alien superpowered being destroys mankind. And, even if he didn't have mitigating circumstances of just coming out of "Black Zero" event and seeing its horrors, I can understand Bruce's reasoning perfectly. If there was an overpowered, god-like being like this in our world, I'd want it out of the picture as well.

Supes may have problems with Bats' tactics, but he still way more in the right than Bruce. His response is to stop Bats from operating, but he doesn't hurt him or even turn him in to authorities (something that the authorities would probably not take kindly to). He's merciful to his enemy. Bats just wants to kill his enemy, completely ignoring the fact that his enemy's mercy should prove he's no enemy at all.

 

[TDKR1977]

Supes may have problems with Bats' tactics, but he still way more in the right than Bruce. His response is to stop Bats from operating, but he doesn't hurt him or even turn him in to authorities (something that the authorities would probably not take kindly to). He's merciful to his enemy. Bats just wants to kill his enemy, completely ignoring the fact that his enemy's mercy should prove he's no enemy at all.

That's what fascinates me. What's gonna happen to bring Bruce around?

 

[adeel7861]

How many of you think that the reason Joker has those metal teeth are because Batman rammed his fists into Joker's face after the death of Jason Todd.

 

[Bwahaha!]

That didn't say, but hopefully we all get a +1. I know that they did say we should expect the emails in February, so we'll find out soon!

Thanks man. I went to the universal studios BvS trailer event and that theater was only half full, so it makes sense they'd give us the +1, so the early premiere in March will be packed. Better optics and more happy fans! t:

 

[matt47]

Yeah, I was just about to post that. It's the same TV spot they showed with Gotham.

Of course it is. ****ing latino Review at it again...

 

[blumatic]

So let me get this straight; Bruce is willing to break his "One Rule" in order to rid the world of Superman...

But he refuses to do the same thing with the guy that killed his protege and looks like this...

Superman's arrival is a game changer. The destruction in Metropolis has changed the world's view on almost everything. Batman is no different.

 

[TDKR1977]

How many of you think that the reason Joker has those metal teeth are because Batman rammed his fists into Joker's face after the death of Jason Todd.

I think that's a given. Probably beats him nearly to death.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

^ Here's a screenshot.

Looks tired

Probably stayed up late snapping necks

 

[Orb]

I know others have already said it but DAMN that should've been his batvoice.

 

[Marz69]

I really like the music playing in the supes tv spot

 

[KillerWolf]

Supes may have problems with Bats' tactics, but he still way more in the right than Bruce. His response is to stop Bats from operating, but he doesn't hurt him or even turn him in to authorities (something that the authorities would probably not take kindly to). He's merciful to his enemy. Bats just wants to kill his enemy, completely ignoring the fact that his enemy's mercy should prove he's no enemy at all.

But he is asking a person who has invested everything in fighting crime in Gotham, doing so for his entire life, to stop answering when police calls him to help. Indirectly he'd be responsible for next person that gets killed because Batman isn't around to help anymore.

And Bruce is seeing his enemy as a thing more than a live being (I didn't say "human" for obvious reasons), something overpowered that threatens entire world and not without reason... he has already experienced what these aliens can do firsthand.

Bruce is certainly giving in to his paranoia and is growing darker, but Clark is also being arrogant with his idealistic beliefs he is forcing on others.

Anyway, I must add that this is on-point characterization for both characters and I really like where they're going with this. It shows exactly why Batman/Superman dynamic is so interesting, whether they're friends or enemies.

 

[I Am The Knight]

So let me get this straight; Bruce is willing to break his "One Rule" in order to rid the world of Superman...

But he refuses to do the same thing with the guy that killed his protege and looks like this...

Here we go again with this stuff ...

 

[Herolee10]

Here we go again with this stuff ...

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

So let me get this straight; Bruce is willing to break his "One Rule" in order to rid the world of Superman...

But he refuses to do the same thing with the guy that killed his protege and looks like this...

Superman's a godlike being, one with the potential to destroy all life on Earth, whereas the Joker, for all his proven menace, is still just a man.

In the comics, Bats had no qualms about putting Darkseid down even at the risk of his own life.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

^ And we all know he doesn't actually go through with killing Superman anyway.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Looks tired

Probably stayed up late snapping necks

 

[I Am The Knight]

How are we supposed to identify "humor" if it's not funny?

 

[jmc]

No gonna lie, not really liking demented Bruce Wayne.