BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2

[KRYPTON INC.]

Nice....

 

[jokesonm3]

 

[titansupes]

Could people please go and watch MoS again and realise that 95% of the damage was caused by the Black Zero and the military. Seriously wtf is it with this crap about the ending of MoS it's just factually inaccurate.

titansupes was making a joke. Look up his post history.

If there's even a 1% chance someone can mistake for being serious, we have to take it as an absolute certainty... And we have to use this instead.

 

[Herolee10]

Would it have killed the Photoshop artists at Warner Bros to have used the Profile shot of Henry as Superman above for the official/final Poster for the Film as opposed to the one that we actually got below?

The one in the Flight Promotion looks like a nature side profile shot whereas the final poster looks like it was manip from two different pictures. I'm guessing they wanted Superman's logo on his chest to be more visible and used a different shot of Superman's body where the symbol was more visible.

 

[titansupes]

Empire just announced today that although their BvS issue will be out this Thursday, their subscribers are getting their delivered right now, so stay tuned for a bit for some new info to pop up in a few hours.

https://***********/empiremagazine/status/691566934358388736

I want that cover so friggin' much.

 

[Beatnation]

Empire just announced today that although their BvS issue will be out this Thursday, their subscribers are getting their delivered right now, so stay tuned for a bit for some new info to pop up in a few hours.

https://***********/empiremagazine/status/691566934358388736

Can't wait for the news!!!

 

[BatLand]

Unfortunately no but a Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Microsoft Trailer would be really awesome to do. t:

Yes, it is. They just don't make cell phones anymore.

On topic: Zod damn I liked that new tv spot. Watched it like 10 times in a row.

 

[Captain Shazam]

The number of vews for the last 2 TV spots is really impressive

 

[Beatnation]

So, some people already got it

 

[jokesonm3]

Good, good.

Now we wait for one brave soul to scan it and post it online for us.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

No color doe?

 

[BH/HHH]

I feel like we're been spoiled now, such good times t:

 

[Marz69]

 

[DeadStroke]

oops already posted.

 

[Wally_West]

The new Batman theme?

[YT]4YFtPIrYses[/YT]

 

[~Raven]

Did you make this?

 

[Marvin]

Like I said, that one for sure was not, but we all know that what people mean is trailer 3 for MOS and again, I contend that the Zimmer music played a movie in people's heads filled with so much emotion that it was impossible for the film to live up to that standard. That's my opinion of part of the reaction to the film.

wb dodged a bullet with the decision to edit that last trailer.
One can only imagine what fans would be saying had they walked out of a BvS movie that didn't match their take aways from the trailer. Rather something clearly less than the take aways from the Ccon trailer as it were.
Dodged a bullet.

 

[jokesonm3]

Did you make this?

Nah found it online.

 

[steve4991]

The new Batman theme?

[YT]4YFtPIrYses[/YT]

Part of the theme I'm guessing. I feel that if that's the climax of the Batman theme, the intro and build must be something epic!

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Campea and his crew doing a great job even though they can act like jerk sometimes.... but it's better this way. I wouldn't want them to read news like a robot without any personal opinion or even worse praising every movie just because keep it cool with film companies.


But that Grace Randolph of Beyond The Trailer...

 

[rogbngp]

Where I'm a coming from is Batman is a more relatable character to me if it isn't pure rage and paranoia the fuels him. The character to me is better when he's using his brains not his emotions.

Fine, I'll expand on that a little more. I am fully aware that emotion is a big factor in Bruce being Batman, the drive and determination from his parents death. What I don't like is when he's written as unhinged, where his emotions are getting the better of him. I don't like that particular take on the character because it sometimes makes him look no better than the criminals he's facing, and frankly I want the character to be better than that. I hope that's sufficient.

Actually you raise an issue that was to me once something that I took issue with same as you have. Superman has literally saved the entire world. And Batman is truly a genius detective on the order of a Sherlock Holmes. How would he come to the conclusion that Superman poses such a grave threat? Conceptually that did not square up for me. So I came up with my own theory:

1) Batman by now has become as cynical as can be about the military industrial complex and the evil things that are done in the name of "defense"; and he sees Superman's possible alliance with the military as a threat (an uneasy and loose working relationship, but still agreeing to work with them for some things for which he is truly needed),

2) Superman's apparent decision to leave the scout ship in the military's hands (which was just monumentally bad judgment--as we see with what Lex does with it), and

3) the conflict between the two being cued by Amanda Waller directing Swanwick to ask Superman to set limits in Batman (because Batman risks mucking up her A.R.G.U.S. plans); i.e., she knows Batman is likely to go on a suicide mission against Supes if that were to happen.

But in some conversations with other about this in the above linked thread, I realized that while the above theory would be more satisfying to me intellectually, it would probably be too cerebral for the GA.

I had also observed in earlier formulations about Bruce's reaction that there are some really major psychological issues that Bruce has that are tweaked by all this. Helplessly watching 5000 people die during the Black Zero event as two god-like aliens duke it out taps the helplessness that he felt as a child. What Batman ultimately struggles with the most is how to control the rage that stems from his experience of helplessness as a child at his parents' having been murdered before his eyes. In Batman: Earth One (from which it seems BvS's Alfred is drawn) you see also that Bruce's childish impulsivity and self-centereness directly leads to his parents' death, even though by chance. So I think it's reasonable to infer that as a child he felt not just helpless to prevent, but also directly responsible for, his parents' murders as well. Batman, both as as an identity and a life-style, is a way of controlling and directing his rage at that helplessness. His darkest fear is to lose control that rage (which gets translated adaptively for a crime-fighter into his hyper-vigilance/paranoia, thinking five steps ahead of opponents, always developing contingencies, etc.). The nightmare dream that Batman has includes a scene of him snapping a neck (breaking his no-kill rule) which I feel is an unconscious association with Superman having snapped Zod's neck (i.e., Supes also traditionally has a no-kill rule). The neck-snap merges the two of them symbolically. The evil tyrant Superman that appears in Batman's dream is a projection of what Batman fears most about himself: that, sadly, he has indeed become a "one-man reign of terror." The crisis that he's going through is that all that he has worked for as a crime-fighter over the course of his life is 1) now rendered obsolete and irrelevant by god-like beings and an extinction level event, and 2) ultimately a sham in that he has become not so different after all than the thugs that he hunts down.

Anyway, even if I don't have every detail right there, the accumulated force of something along those lines has precipitated a kind of a breakdown for Bruce. I'm pretty sure I recall reading that Ben Affleck has alluded to this in more than one interview. (See this for one salient Affleck quote.)

He [Bruce Wayne] courts many women, owns many cars, and parties a lot. He does that as a way to fill the void in his soul. Moreover, past incarnations dealt with a straightforward search for justice. This time, Batman’s reasoning is clouded by frustration, bitterness and anger.

Anyway, it's looking more to me now that Snyder probably went the more psychological and emotional route to explain why Batman essentially goes on a suicide mission to take out Superman. I still hope the story will also include something along the lines of my conjecture about why Batman would fear Superman's potential for evil (or to be foolishly manipulated by evil military types like Waller) from a more rational perspective. But it's okay with me now that Batman is being portrayed as more human and vulnerable to his own demons. It's actually better drama, imho. It will connect better with viewers in the theater (the vast majority of whom are not CBM or comic book nerds like us).

 

[steve4991]

Great input, rogbngp ! I can tell you have some serious academic background with that writing flow lol. But I've always thought that Bruce's outlook would be a combination of emotional instability, past remorse, and direct fear from what he witnessed in Metropolis. For the people that keep asking "Why are they fighting?", there are plenty of answers, and you need only to poke your head into what we have of this universe so far to understand the answer.

 

[steve4991]

So I understand that the empire cover is for the subscribers edition but is there going to be another regular issue coming out soon to feature BvS? (March, I assume?)

 

[Beatnation]

Still no new images?

 

[Angel0fDeath]