BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2

[Mad Love]

"Since when does he like anything? lol."

It sounds like you're mocking him to me.

If anything, I'm making an observation and mocking the pattern.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Also I'm watching The X-Files and the spot they showed was the same Knightmare spot we've already seen.

Noticed that

That dude from Latino Review is trying to play it up as some sort of new spot doe

 

[steve4991]

i`m loving batfleck so much man. People are asking why is he acting like this, well i mean you have a superman who still has to establish himself as a hero we know and love in the eyes of the public, which seems like hes doing so now in bvs. His journey as superman has just begun so the world is still divided over him (both within the dceu and in our reality) especially after the events of mos. Then on top of that you have a frank miller inspired batman who has already lost a robin and probably blames himself for his death and has witnessed the destruction of his wayne building because of a fight between superman and zod, so of course he`s going to act like this. You know, i`m one of those guys who are actually going to side with both of these heroes. That way, you enjoy the movie alot more :d

thank you

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

It's a crazy idea, but I've never thought Batman was crazy for doing it, if that makes sense.



Personally, I hate those interpretations. In my mind, Batman is a rational individual who's firmly on the side of good. He's human, so he's capable of being consumed by his own rage, but I'd be very uninterested in seeing him like that all the time.

Because cosplaying as a Bat is rational? Agree with the second half, though, I want Justice League Batman to be more moral

 

[jmc]

Thats kind of Batman's thing though. I'm all for different opinions but on this one it sounds like it's the character you don't jive with and not so much the characterization they're portraying.

I'm a Batman guy through and through, I've seen countless variations over the years in various mediums, some I like some, I don't like. The one thing for certain is there isn't one particular take on the character, and what I feel from reading in here is that some people seem to think there is only one.

If anything, I'm making an observation and mocking the pattern.

I could equally make patterns for some people here but I'm not that childish.

 

[Mad Love]

It's a crazy idea, but I've never thought Batman was crazy for doing it, if that makes sense.

Personally, I hate those interpretations. In my mind, Batman is a rational individual who's firmly on the side of good. He's human, so he's capable of being consumed by his own rage, but I'd be very uninterested in seeing him like that all the time.

It doesn't make sense.

Those interpretations? He's been that way for decades. He didn't become Batman from being rational.

And no one is saying he's ONE way "all the time". Not sure why you would even assume that.

 

[RadioSha]

jmc, Batman will be treated fine. He has an arc to go through in this movie.

He is tired, tooth-and-nailing it, and has lost everyone- parents, 2 Robins (presumably), his employees, and probably the war on crime. Killing Superman is his lasting legacy ("This is the only thing that matters"). I don't understand how that's unrelatable.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[Boy Scout]

Because cosplaying as a Bat is rational?

Not when you oversimplify it like that, no.

Dressing up as a bat is just a means to an end.

 

[Val_Zod]

Where I'm a coming from is Batman is a more relatable character to me if it isn't pure rage and paranoia the fuels him. The character to me is better when he's using his brains not his emotions.

The very idea of Batman is motivated by emotion, or did you forget the whole "My parents are dead" thing?

 

[Mad Love]

Also, emotions are way more relatable than brains. lol

 

[Boy Scout]

It doesn't make sense.

Sure it does. He wants to intimidate criminals, so he dresses up as a boogeyman. He's no crazier than any other hero.

Again: even if you think the idea is crazy, that doesn't mean that the man, himself, is. Bungee jumping is crazy, but perfectly normal people do it everyday.

Those interpretations? He's been that way for decades.

And he's been written differently for just as long. Sometimes within the same periods, as other writers come on and leave their stamp on the character.

And no one is saying he's ONE way "all the time". Not sure why you would even assume that.

Um, I'm not. I thought it was obvious I was detailing my own personal preferences for how the character should be portrayed.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

No gonna lie, not really liking demented Bruce Wayne.

lol
Here we go.

Never change, jmc

 

[WitchTrialz]

Boyscout, I think perhaps you favor Nolans batman, and that's cool. That's a great batman too.
But the batman that comes from the comics world has a long history of being irrational. He is always right though, through his paranoia and and stubbornness he always comes out on top because he's just the underdog in most stories. He's on the outs so often because the rest of the DC universe isn't sure if he's insane or not. It's all very much been a battle for Bruces sanity

 

[jasontodd]

I'm a Batman guy through and through, I've seen countless variations over the years in various mediums, some I like some, I don't like. The one thing for certain is there isn't one particular take on the character, and what I feel from reading in here is that some people seem to think there is only one.

I could equally make patterns for some people here but I'm not that childish.

Not at all. As a fan of the character I can find some goodness and redeeming moments even in Schumacher's Batman and Robin, loved the 66 television series, and I consider Batman the Brave and the Bold to be a beautiful and brilliant love letter to not only Silver Age Batman but just the character himself. How Bruce behaves in this scene is at the core of his character. As I said you could find examples of it across mediums and across decades.

 

[Mad Love]

Sure it does. He wants to intimidate criminals, so he dresses up as a boogeyman. He's no crazier than any other hero.

That's clearly not true because plenty of superheroes don't do that. Namely the other guy in the movie. Superman wears a colorful Kryptonian uniform. He's not dressing up as an animal or trying to be a "boogeyman".

 

[Knightfall]

I'm a Batman guy through and through, I've seen countless variations over the years in various mediums, some I like some, I don't like. The one thing for certain is there isn't one particular take on the character, and what I feel from reading in here is that some people seem to think there is only one.

True, but Batman does seem pretty synonymous with anger and he is pretty renowned for it. However I see where you're coming from, he's supposed to be older and wiser I.E. A thinker who is very calculated and not a red hot rookie who gets emotional. But I have to say that if an alien came and leveled a city during a brawl with another alien, it could rattle someone even of Batman's caliber.

 

[Boy Scout]

Boyscout, I think perhaps you favor Nolans batman, and that's cool. That's a great batman too.
But the batman that comes from the comics world has a long history of being irrational.

I never said otherwise. Again: I was explaining my personal favorite interpretation of the character. In no way did I imply that others don't or shouldn't exist.

Batman has been written as borderline insane before, but he's also been written as a fairly well-adjusted man.

 

[Mad Love]

Even in Batman Beyond, Bruce had fits of rage.

 

[jmc]

The very idea of Batman is motivated by emotion, or did you forget the whole "My parents are dead" thing?

Fine, I'll expand on that a little more. I am fully aware that emotion is a big factor in Bruce being Batman, the drive and determination from his parents death. What I don't like is when he's written as unhinged, where his emotions are getting the better of him. I don't like that particular take on the character because it sometimes makes him look no better than the criminals he's facing, and frankly I want the character to be better than that. I hope that's sufficient.

 

[Boy Scout]

That's clearly not true because plenty of superheroes don't do that. Namely the other guy in the movie. Superman wears a colorful Kryptonian uniform. He's not dressing up as an animal or trying to be a "boogeyman".

Other heroes don't dress in colorful costumes to achieve benevolent goals?

Just because Batman dresses up as an animal, while Green Arrow dresses up like Robin Hood, doesn't make him inherently crazier.

 

[RadioSha]

If Superman showed up at the beginning or in the middle of Batman's run, we wouldn't have the conflict we have right now. Most likely, that particular Batman will be more accepting of such change. He would be more optimistic- more naive. That makes him very human.

What makes this movie interesting is that the Batman we're getting is the most dangerous of all cynics.. Of course he's still Batman- calculating, cautious and over prepared. But what that clip showed me is that his emotions are finally driving his rationality (1% enemy = certain threat). Interestingly enough, that too is what makes him human.

 

[WitchTrialz]

I never said otherwise. Again: I was explaining my personal favorite interpretation of the character. In no way did I imply that others don't or shouldn't exist.

Batman has been written as borderline insane before, but he's also been written as a fairly well-adjusted man.

I guess I'm just saying I LIKE this Bruce Wayne because he's more interesting. When Bruce is written as a 'well adjusted man' the story treats him more like James Bond, and that's always good for classic BAT ACTION. But complex Bruce is just one I favor

 

[Boy Scout]

I guess I'm just saying I LIKE this Bruce Wayne because he's more interesting. When Bruce is written as a 'well adjusted man' the story treats him more like James Bond, and that's always good for classic BAT ACTION. But complex Bruce is just one I favor

We don't disagree. I've seen nothing I dislike from this interpretation of Wayne. He's angry, but he's not crazy.

 

[Clark-Kent]

This Bruce Wayne footage makes me think like some others.... don't need a Batman voice modulator He could deliver on his own

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Fine, I'll expand on that a little more. I am fully aware that emotion is a big factor in Bruce being Batman, the drive and determination from his parents death. What I don't like is when he's written as unhinged, where his emotions are getting the better of him. I don't like that particular take on the character because it sometimes makes him look no better than the criminals he's facing, and frankly I want the character to be better than that. I hope that's sufficient.

You made up your mind a long time ago on this movie.
Why bother coming back or following any of the news? what's the point?