All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 22

[titansupes]

Bring in the Invisible Jet, Patty. You earned it.

 

[liveman789]

Why the heck are people freaking out about an 8/10? That's higher than the overall 7.6 average, and that's high for the average blockbuster.

 

[Iceman]

It is. She's got a youtube channel, and there's a single version of the WW theme that she just released, I'd link the video but it's, uh... I mean it's not like she's naked in it... well okay she's naked in it, but you don't see anything, it's just... I'm not sure it'd go over well with the mods if I shared it here. But it's out there if you check out her channel.

Oh right thanks. t:

 

[brandeezy89]

If Patty includes the jet, it'll most likely be a regular jet with cloaking abilities to make it appear invisible

 

[misslane38]

More the hero aspect than superhero. It doesn't question why someone wants to do the right thing.

Is the right thing always clear? Does the right thing look like the same thing to everyone? When do Clark or Bruce question doing the right thing, or what they felt was right from their perspective?

 

[Marvolo]

Invisible jet is the dumbest thing in WW's mythos.

What's dumb about a jet that can become invisible? The Avengers have invisible helocarriers and quinjets in the MCU, and those dont seem dumb.

In films with gods, god-like beings, aliens, interdemensional superbeings, superhumans, magic, advanced earth technology, super advanced alien technology, and highly intelligent humans with vast engineering and design capabilities you draw the line at jets that can become invisible?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

WW has a huge no of twitter activity and the positive to negative ratio is 34:1. Good for awareness. Let's see how much more it can grow before the Thursday night previews.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

http://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-movies-invisible-jet/

Well... man I can't tell from that what's serious and what's not, except Pine was clearly screwing around talking about playing the Kangaroo. Man, um... that jet would have to be done very well and justified somehow because ah... as usually executed it's cheesy enough that it'd be a dealbreaker for me.

 

[jmc]

Is the right thing always clear? Does the right thing look like the same thing to everyone? When do Clark or Bruce question doing the right thing, or what they felt was right from their perspective?

And that's a question for a different type of movie.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Is the right thing always clear? Does the right thing look like the same thing to everyone? When do Clark or Bruce question doing the right thing, or what they felt was right from their perspective?

I wish there was a way to like a post, but this will have to do:

 

[Keyser Sushi]

What's dumb about a jet that can become invisible? The Avengers have invisible helocarriers and quinjets in the MCU, and those dont seem dumb.

In films with gods, god-like beings, aliens, interdemensional superbeings, superhumans, magic, advanced earth technology, super advanced alien technology, and highly intelligent humans with vast engineering and design capabilities you draw the line at jets that can become invisible?

Nothing is dumb about a jet that can become invisible, but the way it's normally handled in comics, cartoons and TV has been absolutely stupid. So it would have to be done with great care. She'd have to Nolan that mess.

 

[misslane38]

And that's a question for a different type of movie.

That's exactly the kind of question superheroes should be asking because with great power comes great responsibility, so heroes should be careful about assuming they're always right. In fact, doing so may prevent you from making costly mistakes.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Ooww...

What?

 

[markjoedelonge]

That's exactly the kind of question superheroes should be asking because with great power comes great responsibility, so heroes should be careful about assuming they're always right. In fact, doing so may prevent you from making costly mistakes.

That question is answered in Diana's journey.

 

[jmc]

That's exactly the kind of question superheroes should be asking because with great power comes great responsibility, so heroes should be careful about assuming they're always right. In fact, doing so may prevent you from making costly mistakes.

It's not the question this film is interested in asking. What's right or wrong doesn't matter in this film, what matters is there's a viewpoint and it sticks to it consistently.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

It's not the question this film is interested in asking. What's right or wrong doesn't matter in this film, what matters is there's a viewpoint and it sticks to it consistently.

As opposed to what? Was BvS inconsistent with itself?

 

[markjoedelonge]

It's not the question this film is interested in asking. What's right or wrong doesn't matter in this film, what matters is there's a viewpoint and it sticks to it consistently.

Spoiler

There's even a line that explicitly says something along this line.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

That's exactly the kind of question superheroes should be asking because with great power comes great responsibility, so heroes should be careful about assuming they're always right. In fact, doing so may prevent you from making costly mistakes.

Some of the reviews I've read suggest that there are consequences to Diana's black-and-white worldview here. That would be a potentially compelling narrative.

 

[jmc]

As opposed to what? Was BvS inconsistent with itself?

BvS didn't know what it wanted to be. WW is consistent throughout.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

BvS didn't know what it wanted to be. WW is consistent throughout.

I disagree about BvS, I think it was exactly what it wanted to be. It wasn't what critics wanted it to be, it wasn't what a large chunk of the fandom wanted it to be, but I think Zack made exactly the movie he wanted to make, and then WB cut half an hour out of it, to it's clear detriment. But the Ultimate Edition is clearly the movie Zack wanted, and apart from a couple of minor missteps, it's magnificent.

What would you say was inconsistent in BvS?

 

[Jumpman]

I may as well get straight to the point. It's the best DC film since The Dark Knight. It's not even a contest. This film has that one thing both MoS and BvS lacked - heart. This film defines exactly who Diana is and never once questions why she believes what she believes. A leader, an inspiration, a bright light in a dark time, it's someone who wants to change things for the better and the film embraces that. Patty Jenkins has captured the essence of who Diana is in all her glory.

I'll preface everything by saying the film is not without it's faults. The first 20 mins or so feels incredibly clunky as the story tries to fit in who the Amazons are and what their history is. And the lack of any real exploration of Themyscirca was also disappointing. Overall I feel the Amazons were short shifted a little bit with very little time given to really develop relationships, especially between Diana and Hippolyta. It almost feels like a weird prologue that doesn't really fit with the rest of the movie

But the film picks up once Steve Trevor arrives and Diana leaves with him for London. Anyone worried about Marvel-like humour needn't worry. The fish out of water elements that bring out most of the humour works much like the levity in The Dark Knight, nothing feels written for the sake of making the audience laugh and instead feels like the kind of humour that comes naturally in conversation.

It's during this time that Diana slowly learns how this world works, she questions the decisions made during times of war and the effects it has on people, never once being satisfied with the answers she's given. It's here where her inspiration to others start to take effect as she literally charges across a battlefield. It's this type of thing that has been missing in the last couple of movies, a character who wants to help and doesn't take no for an answer.

In terms of cast, I was never won over by Gal in BvS and none of the trailers lead me to believe anything was going to be different. I still feel there's a clear level of difference between her and the rest of the cast, and she still has limitations in terms of her range, but overall she does well. She has good chemistry with Chris Pine, it might be one of the best superhero relationships that's been capture on film, and she undoubtably has a warmth that comes through on screen.

For the action it's pretty good for the most part, although Patty seems to have taken a few too many Zack Snyder slow-mo pills which makes some of the sequences feel awkward, and there's some noticeable CG elements that feel distracting. The final set piece feels a little all over the place at times but not to the point of ruining the movie. The score blends in with the film pretty well, but that annoying guitar theme music does make an appearance though which felt completely out of place with the tone of the film.

Overall, this is oh-so close to being a great movie. A few changes here and there and I think it's as good as TDK or Logan, but alas it falls ever so short. Agonisingly short. There are clear influences from both Superman: The Movie and Batman Begins, it seems fitting the first movie from Wonder Woman would follow in those films footstep.

8/10

Interesting review but good stuff nonetheless.

 

[Jumpman]

I disagree about BvS, I think it was exactly what it wanted to be. It wasn't what critics wanted it to be, it wasn't what a large chunk of the fandom wanted it to be, but I think Zack made exactly the movie he wanted to make, and then WB cut half an hour out of it, to it's clear detriment. But the Ultimate Edition is clearly the movie Zack wanted, and apart from a couple of minor missteps, it's magnificent.

What would you say was inconsistent in BvS?

Please don't go down this road on the eve of WONDER WOMAN's release. We've been over BATMAN v SUPERMAN.

 

[markjoedelonge]

I disagree about BvS, I think it was exactly what it wanted to be. It wasn't what critics wanted it to be, it wasn't what a large chunk of the fandom wanted it to be, but I think Zack made exactly the movie he wanted to make, and then WB cut half an hour out of it, to it's clear detriment. But the Ultimate Edition is clearly the movie Zack wanted, and apart from a couple of minor missteps, it's magnificent.

 

[jmc]

I disagree about BvS, I think it was exactly what it wanted to be. It wasn't what critics wanted it to be, it wasn't what a large chunk of the fandom wanted it to be, but I think Zack made exactly the movie he wanted to make, and then WB cut half an hour out of it, to it's clear detriment. But the Ultimate Edition is clearly the movie Zack wanted, and apart from a couple of minor missteps, it's magnificent.

What would you say was inconsistent in BvS?

I've said enough about that movie and the issues I have with it. I'm choosing to move forward from it after today.

 

[aNarcHy2day]

Having not watched the movie yet I can't come at this from the standpoint of the technology and powers and such that the film establishes but an Invisible jet can be done quite easily without it being dumb. Agents of SHIELD have been pulling that off for four seasons now.