All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion

[Marathon]

Why does only Wondy have to get these piece of crap rumors? Where are the rumors about Thomas and Martha Wayne being quarter-kryptonians? About Ma Kent being revealed as Brainiac? Etc.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Rumors from random sites are not to be belived. People on here believe every rumor no matter the site. I don't even know why I let it annoy me so much.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I agree. I don't mind the Amazons and the Atlanteans being aware of the existence of each other's nations. And I also don't mind if members of their royal families (i.e. Arthur and Diana) know each other due to past trade agreements or treaties being forged between the two "secret" nations on Earth.

But, I'm not so sure about Arthur being Poseidon's son. I guess it's a little neater than having the Atlanteans descended from aliens and/or the result of genetic manipulation thousands of years ago, etc. But, I think aspects like that help to expand the DC Cinematic Universe and I also think that such an expansion is important. Possibly more important than giving the general audience a "simple" answer for the existence of their heroes.

Got to say I'll roll with this IF (big if) it is true but your second paragraph sums up my basic stance on this. Super hero universes ARE gestalt pop culture creations, and are so rich with stories to mine because of that. Super heroes traditionally have diverse backgrounds and origins even while existing in a common fictional world. This makes the super teams like the JLA and Avengers so fascinating in the first place, heroes with differences that are almost elemental in nature coming together as a group. "Streamlining the origins" is fine for a team like the X-Men or the FF, but with super groups like the aforementioned ones, it kinda misses the point to my eyes.

 

[Black Narcissus]

So let me get this straight.

We haven't seen 99% of what they are filming and some random site now has plot details?

Someone make me a drink.

 

[Bullseye1]

It's amazng how rumours seem to upset some people. And just because a rumour is posted people assume that others automatically believe it. Talk about presumptuous.

We have +2 years to go. What else have we to talk about? Some people need to loosen up.

 

[John-An]

But Aquaman (at least in the new comics) is not Poseidon's son. It's son of a human and a atlantean queen.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's amazng how rumours seem to upset some people. And just because a rumour is posted people assume that others automatically believe it. Talk about presumptuous.

We have +2 years to go. What else have we to talk about? Some people need to loosen up.

Don't play that game with me, plenty of people on here do talk like they believe every rumor. I know what I've seen. I'll acknowledge that I am stupid for letting it get to me but that's about it.

 

[Bullseye1]

Don't play that game with me, plenty of people on here do talk like they believe every rumor. I know what I've seen. I'll acknowledge that I am stupid for letting it get to be but that's about it.

I love that people get so upset at people believing rumours.

 

[Loki882]

If they want to connect the two franchises somehow, then there are other ways to do it better than trying to crowbar a "WW and Aquaman are related" element into it. Heck one of WW's classic rogues (who should be reintroduced into the comics in a big way imo) is an Atlantean (Queen Clea). There's a possible connection right there.

Or here's another possibility. The organization ARGUS was established shortly after the events of Man of Steel and tasked with monitoring/investigating reports of alien/metahuman/supernatural/etc activity/sightings on Earth. One of their operatives, Steve Trevor, plays a key role in the WW movie. He then appears in the Aquaman film to establish that ARGUS is aware of the Atlanteans and has been keeping an eye on their actions.

 

[John-An]

^^ I like that idea.

 

[flickchick85]

Are you suggesting turning Steve Trevor into Phil Coulson?

 

[HaplessHenchman]

If they want to connect the two franchises somehow, then there are other ways to do it better than trying to crowbar a "WW and Aquaman are related" element into it. Heck one of WW's classic rogues (who should be reintroduced into the comics in a big way imo) is an Atlantean (Queen Clea). There's a possible connection right there.

Or here's another possibility. The organization ARGUS was established shortly after the events of Man of Steel and tasked with monitoring/investigating reports of alien/metahuman/supernatural/etc activity/sightings on Earth. One of their operatives, Steve Trevor, plays a key role in the WW movie. He then appears in the Aquaman film to establish that ARGUS is aware of the Atlanteans and has been keeping an eye on their actions.

Not bad. I like the Argus idea too...

 

[Loki882]

Are you suggesting turning Steve Trevor into Phil Coulson?

Kind of, although difference is that MCU SHIELD has been around in one form or another since WWII and has a broad mandate. DCCU ARGUS would be a newer organization with a more specific function. Heck throw in Amanda Waller in a cameo as Trevor's boss if you want to also tie into Suicide Squad.

 

[John-An]

Baddass Digest that Lex Luthor was investigating on Metahumans including a woman from 1800's (Yeah Wonder Woman)

http://badassdigest.com/2014/12/02/find-out-which-batvillain-has-a-cameo-in-batman-v-superman/

 

[Juke Box Hero]

Baddass Digest that Lex Luthor was investigating on Metahumans including a woman from 1800's (Yeah Wonder Woman)

http://badassdigest.com/2014/12/02/find-out-which-batvillain-has-a-cameo-in-batman-v-superman/

Faraci, please, go away.

 

[John-An]

I think that he is a marvelite disguised as a Reporter, but it doesn't mean that this rumor is less credbile than the other bunch we have seen....

 

[Bwahaha!]

I kinda feel like now I have to say I don't necessarily believe the latest rumor, but...

If true, on one hand I love the idea of the big-screen WW being immortal.

On the other, I don't know what I think about her roaming about in man's world off and on since at least the 1800s...(if the rumor about a 1920s WW movie, then 1940s WW film, then modern era movie is true. If, if, if).

In her classic origin, I found it intriguing that Diana was basically trapped on the island growing up, forbidden to leave. Then Steve Trevor crash lands and changes everything. Basically it's her first huge coming of age moment. Which leads to Diana's first outing into man's world--with Steve. I don't necessarily want her as doe-eyed and naive as Perez wrote her in his first issues--and I def don't think she will be in these upcoming movies--but I would like to see her first foray into the wide world. That was a big piece of her origin, IMO.

 

[Bullseye1]

Interesting.

 

[John-An]

What if Themyscira's time doesn't come the same way as in man's world? That could explain the "1800's-1900's" story. But what if the first movie is not set in man's world? but in Themyscira, Olympus fighting Olympic threats and then that should explain that her first adventure outside on Man's Worls is in BvS or a little while before? .. IDK just a theory. That's all we can do for now

 

[Bwahaha!]

What if Themyscira's time doesn't come the same way as in man's world? That could explain the "1800's-1900's" story. But what if the first movie is not set in man's world? but in Themyscira, Olympus fighting Olympic threats and then that should explain that her first adventure outside on Man's Worls is in BvS or a little while before? .. IDK just a theory. That's all we can do for now

I like the idea of time being different on the island. But seems like your version would mean when an Amazon leaves Themyscira, they can arrive in man's world during any time period they want?

 

[John-An]

Not exactly... In my theory they've never leave paradise island due to fight against Greek mythos in Themyscira or Olympus. And IMO Wonder Woman leave on BvS or maybe few years before. But now is just as it is fanfiction from my part.

 

[Bwahaha!]

 

[haephestus]

As far as unsubstantiated rumours go, an immortal, globe-trotting Wonder Woman is a pretty cool one.

At the very least, if Diana is hundreds (or thousands) of years old, then I'm hoping that with that much life experience, she wouldn't be the one-dimensional "warrior woman" which has characterised much of her New52 rebooted personality (other than in her solo title). I would imagine that after all those years of living, Diana would be a formidable opponent in battle, but also fully aware of the futility of war and as such, she would seek a peaceful resolution before drawing her sword or unravelling her lasso.

However, I would want Wonder Woman's actions in man's world to have had some kind of positive effect. It would negate her importance if Wonder Woman was in man's world for hundreds or years (or at least during key times of crisis), but didn't play any role in averting various disasters, stopping various wars, etc. It's possible that her role in ending a war, saving civilians during a natural disaster, etc may have been forgotten or recorded as nothing more than a myth, but I'd still like Diana to have had some kind of impact. Otherwise, it would make all her years of heroics seem pointless.

I can't think of any well-documented mysterious "heroics" which could be attributed to Wonder Woman, but they can surely make some up for the purposes of DoJ.

While a centuries old Wonder Woman would take away some of her naivety when she "first" encounters man's world, I'm not sure that is absolutely necessary for her character. There have been times when it has been put to good use, but it has also been used to make her ignorant and even primitive. And we could theoretically still see man's world through Wonder Woman's eyes whether in a solo film which documents her "first" mission outside of Themyscira (in the 1920s or whenever) and we could also see Diana's reaction to a "modern" man's world if she has predominantly spent her time from the 1940s (or whenever her last mission was) until modern day on Themyscira.

Anyway, lots of rambling about nothing more than unsubstantiated rumours at the moment. But, an immortal, demi-goddess would be an interesting contrast to a weather vigilante and a "new" god-like alien.

 

[Bwahaha!]

As far as unsubstantiated rumours go, an immortal, globe-trotting Wonder Woman is a pretty cool one.

At the very least, if Diana is hundreds (or thousands) of years old, then I'm hoping that with that much life experience, she wouldn't be the one-dimensional "warrior woman" which has characterised much of her New52 rebooted personality (other than in her solo title). I would imagine that after all those years of living, Diana would be a formidable opponent in battle, but also fully aware of the futility of war and as such, she would seek a peaceful resolution before drawing her sword or unravelling her lasso.

However, I would want Wonder Woman's actions in man's world to have had some kind of positive effect. It would negate her importance if Wonder Woman was in man's world for hundreds or years (or at least during key times of crisis), but didn't play any role in averting various disasters, stopping various wars, etc. It's possible that her role in ending a war, saving civilians during a natural disaster, etc may have been forgotten or recorded as nothing more than a myth, but I'd still like Diana to have had some kind of impact. Otherwise, it would make all her years of heroics seem pointless.

I can't think of any well-documented mysterious "heroics" which could be attributed to Wonder Woman, but they can surely make some up for the purposes of DoJ.

While a centuries old Wonder Woman would take away some of her naivety when she "first" encounters man's world, I'm not sure that is absolutely necessary for her character. There have been times when it has been put to good use, but it has also been used to make her ignorant and even primitive. And we could theoretically still see man's world through Wonder Woman's eyes whether in a solo film which documents her "first" mission outside of Themyscira (in the 1920s or whenever) and we could also see Diana's reaction to a "modern" man's world if she has predominantly spent her time from the 1940s (or whenever her last mission was) until modern day on Themyscira.

Anyway, lots of rambling about nothing more than unsubstantiated rumours at the moment. But, an immortal, demi-goddess would be an interesting contrast to a weather vigilante and a "new" god-like alien.

Excellent post. My minor nit is I'm thinking if WW has never been off Paradise Island, even if she's thousands of years old...she could still have a rather big naive response when experiencing man's world for the first time...assuming the Amazons haven't been surveilling the outside world through magic or tech. If that's the case, Diana would know pretty much everything about our various cultures.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I actually want a WW who is challenged in her assumptions and world views as much as she is trying to change the world as well.

Let's be honest... The Amazons have a world view an philosophy that only makes 100% sense when you ah supernatural forces (I.e. Olympian intervention) helping you out. I remember a Phil Jimenez issue where Diana is giving a lecture at a college or the like and she gets challenged by a student that basically says "Sorry, but you, the perfect royal princess from the magical island peddle these simple solutions and world view but you really have zero idea about what life is really like for the rest of the world and the mortals that live in it". Diana had a come back that boiled down to, "If the views I have can only be for people like me then this truly is a terrible world, but I choose to believe differently." Fair enough... But I actually think that the student had a better point. I really liked the scene in the WW DTV where Trevor lays out the myopia of the Amazon's approach to the world. I'm inclined to want to see similar stuff in a live action film.