All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion

[Lobo]

The DC Amazons I've always asserted should be like the Shao lin monks. Peaceful and avoiding conflict if they can, but hsould they need to fight they will **** up whoever is in their way.

 

[Mad Love]

Shao lin monks are monks, martial artists. The Amazons wouldn't get their reputation as warriors that way.

 

[John-An]

Maybe if you paid attention to the movie, you'd have a better appreciation of it. It sounds like you didn't get most of the plot, and its the same with the changes to Diana's origin. It's hard to take people's criticism against a story when it's more about them not getting it than the story itself.

Zod could NOT have made Kryptonians without the Codex. What's he going to do? Clone all the criminals in his crew? The Codex has all the DNA from all the Kryptonian classes. He wanted to resurrect the whole civilization. Not have a bunch of inbred Kryptonian soldiers. ??

Not to mention that Zod considered heressy to bred kryptonians as natural procreation. Another thing that the movie IMPLIED.

Also we don't know in Wonder Woman movie they change a little and Hipolyta and Zeus don't procreate Diana as the human method, Gods (Zeus) are not the same. Just we have to remember how they put on MOS that Kal-el was a natural birth, they may modify a little bit on adapting to the big screen, I'm sure of it.

 

[John-An]

They're using the demi-goddess origin. That doesn't mean that they're adapting the entire New 52 run. I just don't see how WW having a father makes her any less of a feminist icon. Arguing that, which some people have, is basically spitting in the face of all of the real-life feminist icons, ALL of whom had fathers. Zeus being her dad doesn't automatically mean, for example, that we'll be getting murdering rapist Amazons (in fact I REALLY hope that we DON'T)!

That's what I'm talking about!!!

Zod viewed Kal-El's natural birth as blasphemous.

The fundamental element people seem to miss about Man Of Steel for some reason is that Kryptonians are genetically engineered for a purpose. Their genetic engineering informs their views and actions.


People say why doesn't Zod terraform another planet with the codex or have natural babies and so on. Zod couldn't comprehend such things because his base genetic programming is protect and preserve his ideal Krypton above anything else.

Back on topic to Wonder Woman. Zeus being her father in the Nu52 was interesting a way to get her involved in the huge family struggle of the Olympians. Going with the new origin depends on if they are doing Wonder Woman solo films revolving around the Olympian god power struggle family drama plot because otherwise your not really getting much from the idea.

All this post...

At last some thing that the mighty critics and some "fans" didn't get on the movie, but anyways...

Speaking of Wonder Woman one of the things you have to take into consideration is that when they adapt on the silver screen, they modify a little bit to make the whole origin unique but respecting the essence of the character.

 

[haephestus]

Zeus being her dad doesn't automatically mean, for example, that we'll be getting murdering rapist Amazons (in fact I REALLY hope that we DON'T)!

I also hope that we don't get that version of the Amazons. While it made for an interesting conflict between Diana and the Amazons, especially in the absence of Hippolyta, and also provided a means for Diana to make amends by bringing the Manazons home, it didn't really sit right with me.

If they're happy to introduce Zeus and the Greek gods into the DC Movie Universe, then hopefully they'll also allow the Amazons to be immortal (possibly tied to some magical property of Themyscira) or provide them with an alternative means of only having female children to continue the Amazon race.

Then again, based on poor and limited set photos and footage of the New Mexico set and IF that set is meant to be Themyscira, then it appears as though the Amazons will be somewhat primitive. Or, at the very least, still tied to past cultural ideals.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

That's what I'm talking about!!!

All this post...

At last some thing that the mighty critics and some "fans" didn't get on the movie, but anyways...

One of the things you have to take into consideration is that when they adapt on the silver screen, they modify a little bit to make the whole origin unique but respecting the essence of the character.

EXACTLY! Tell the haters! Tell em! t:

 

[Lobo]

Shao lin monks are monks, martial artists. The Amazons wouldn't get their reputation as warriors that way.

Their reputation as man hating, savage warrior *****es can be attributed to the fact that men wrote most history. It's easy to get around and you can even have Diana somewhat offended to how history shows the Amazon culture.

 

[Mad Love]

Their reputation as man hating, savage warrior *****es can be attributed to the fact that men wrote most history. It's easy to get around and you can even have Diana somewhat offended to how history shows the Amazon culture.

I find "blame the patriarchy" really lame. It doesn't makes sense either. Going that route, why would sexist men paint them as formidable instead of harmless?

And its hard to make the case that the Amazons weren't man hating when men arent allowed in their nation and they call the rest of the world as man's world while their nation is Paradise.

I don't care for Amazon exceptionalism when its founded on no boys allowed.

 

[Wally_West]

Bryan Cranston as Ares, A.K.A War

Apollo. Do not know the actor

Link to his other manips
http://imgur.com/a/YLVZW

 

[Bullseye1]

Interesting rumour that Aquaman is WW cousin.
http://www.superheromoviesnews.com/...ml?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&m=1

 

[Mad Love]

And she's also Kryptonian.

 

[John-An]

and cousin of Superman, ya know because she's descendant of Kara Zor-el

 

[John-An]

I have seen that rumor before... Aquaman and Wonder Woman being cousins? it's not more absurd than the kryptonian Wonder Woman (thing that was debunked now). What an Atlanteans and Amazons had in common (heritage) in comics? NOTHING more than they are two cultures far away from humans

 

[Bullseye1]

It's certainly more plausible to the General audience since both have origins in Greek writings.

 

[Loki882]

The Amazon's distrust of men can be played up as just that, more distrust than out and out hatred. And they can use the origin that the Amazons have suffered at the hands of men in the past to explain their viewpoint.

 

[Marathon]

More sh***y rumors regarding Wonder Woman. Wonderful (no pun intended)! The fanfic-esque "1920s civil warring Amazons" bulls**t wasn't enough, then, eh? We now need an (fanfic-esque) "EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED!" setting?

Isn't the whole f*****g point of the Justice League that the individuals within it are INDIVIDUALS with their very specific origins, settings, cast, etc.?

This BS "cousins" retcon would add nothing and water down (pun intended) both Wonder Woman and Aquaman.

 

[John-An]

I can get behind of them being connected but that they fought thousands of years ago but Diana and Arthur being relatives? NO THANKS!!!

 

[Black Narcissus]

Aquaman: Sup, Cuz.

WW: (Punches Aquaman back into the ocean.) "Say hi to your mother.''

Credits/

 

[Primal Slayer]

I wouldn't mind WW/AM knowing each other somehow. They both worship the same gods and their people have been around forever.

 

[Mad Love]

I wouldn't mind WW/AM knowing each other somehow. They both worship the same gods and their people have been around forever.

??? Aquaman doesn't worship Greek gods.

 

[Loki882]

I've always felt that WW and Aquaman, of all of the JL members, should be the ones to cross over more. They have the most in common. Them being related, on the other hand, no just no.

 

[haephestus]

I wouldn't mind WW/AM knowing each other somehow. They both worship the same gods and their people have been around forever.

I agree. I don't mind the Amazons and the Atlanteans being aware of the existence of each other's nations. And I also don't mind if members of their royal families (i.e. Arthur and Diana) know each other due to past trade agreements or treaties being forged between the two "secret" nations on Earth.

But, I'm not so sure about Arthur being Poseidon's son. I guess it's a little neater than having the Atlanteans descended from aliens and/or the result of genetic manipulation thousands of years ago, etc. But, I think aspects like that help to expand the DC Cinematic Universe and I also think that such an expansion is important. Possibly more important than giving the general audience a "simple" answer for the existence of their heroes.

 

[John-An]

Atlanteans were humans, but evolution made them capable of doing it. And that's all it matters. I wouldn't mind what you say about both knowing each other but relatives... Big NO!

 

[flickchick85]

I don't think WW and AM should know each other personally, but their societies should know OF each other, imo, since they've both been around since roughly the same era.

 

[The Sage]

I honestly wouldn't mind them being related, with Aquaman as Poseidon's son or maybe a descendant through his mother.