Herr Logan said:
I'm sorry, but I missed the part where I'm in awe of the sheer brilliance of two scene fragments that could have easily been cut from the movie without any negative effect.
It was never an appropriate "philisophical viewpoint" in the first place, much less warranting a callback. The Batman doesn't need to hear that from anybody once he's already spent years training to become someone who acts for the benefit of the city and is clearly defined by those actions. It was never a valid line in the first place, and I honestly can't conceive of how a writer who supposedly understands this character would think this was a worthwhile idea.
I think that's sort of the whole point of the line. Yes, Batman has been taking action. Rachel doesn't know this. In another way, it demonstrates that Bruce's playboy act is at least relatively effective; Rachel buys it.
Now, if she had said the line to him with full knowledge of his "extra-curricular" activities, I would completely agree with you. Worthless line that makes no sense for the character. But she didn't know. And that was the point. Batman saying the line later is a way of finally showing her that he indeed HAS been taking action. Whether or not Rachel should have ever found out is not the argument here, since I agree with you on that point.
Actually, I think I can. WB forced a superfluous, meaningless love interest into the film for marketing reasons, and this line is there to give the Batman a way to needlessly divulge his identity.
I'm thrilled that it seems "perfectly fine" to you. Can't you be happy for me and my irrational hatred of extraneous platitudes in movies that are only cheapen by them?
I disagree. Is it the defining theme of the movie? Certainly not. But it's hardly extraneous, since the meat of act two is largely concerned with the concept of Bruce forming his two parallel identities. Taken as a platitude on its own and with no connection to this struggle, yes, it might seem extraneous. I, on the other hand, think it sums up the point of act two nicely. Perhaps it could have been done in a more subtle way, yes, or with more finesse, but ultimately it's entirely functional.
Yes, I clearly have put you on the defensive. So sorry about that, really. I'll try really hard to never again criticize a worthless theme in a movie to which people seem to staple their egos. Criticizing the movie obviously equates attacking you and others personally, so, again, I'm terribly sorry.
Remember that you were the one who made this an argument, not me, so take responsibility for your own failings.
You've misunderstood. My original reference to snark was not intended as an explicit attack on you. I'm sorry if it came off that way. My comment about cheap snark as a comic sensibility is less an evaluation of my feelings towards you then it is a completely divergent topic, although it does sum up my feelings towards conversation on the Internet sometimes, although certainly not this one.
I do not "staple my ego" to Batman Begins. Hardly. I enjoy film, however, (as a famous director whose name escapes me at the moment) as the distillation of theme into an understandable and enjoyable formula, so yes, I do perhaps get a tad overzealous in my defence of certain films and their (perhaps undeserving) themes and motifs. If I have, at any point, given off the impression that I felt personally attacked by your critique of a line from Batman Begins, I apologise.
If you don't understand that the context of the entire film makes that line completely unneccesary and condescening to the audience, then why don't you try
not talking to me. Save us both the trouble of teaching you how to think for yourself instead of hitching your wagon to a commercial product that you had no hand in creating.
I think I've described already why I think the line fits, if it is perhaps a bit clunky. I don't think that the line was necessarily condescending to the audience. Yes, it handed some major themes of the second act to the audience on a platter, but most superhero movies do this, and, indeed, most films in general.
Clunky? Yes. Entirely superfluous and worthy of the title of "Worst movie quote"? Hardly.