Batman Begins Andrea Beaumont instead of Rachel Dawes...

[Sawyer]

I just had a though. What if instead of making up a character, Nolan and Goyer used Andrea Beaumont. In BB, she would've been used as Bruces love interest and we could've seen that her father had ties to the mafia and Falcone. In TDK, Joker would kill her father. And then in part three, Batman would face off against the Phantasm, and find out that it is Andrea.

I think that would have made for a far more interesting romantic subplot than having to deal with whiney Rachel Dawes. Nolan would've really made it badass.

Thoughts?

 

[Majik1387]

Shoulda, coulda, woulda...

 

[Sawyer]

Yeah, I know, I know. But its a good idea, aint it?

 

[Majik1387]

It is. And Amy Adams or Rachel McAdam's would be my choice for Andrea Beaumont.

 

[Sawyer]

I'd pay good money to see Rachel McAdams as Andrea/Phantasm.

 

[BatMatt]

I can't really see McAdams pulling off the Phantasm side...she's too "nice and sweet" seeming

 

[Sawyer]

I can't really see McAdams pulling off the Phantasm side...she's too "nice and sweet" seeming

Never seen Red Eye, I assume?

 

[spiderfan970]

damn....I really like that switch. I blame you for not working for warner brothers!

 

[Sawyer]

damn....I really like that switch. I blame you for not working for warner brothers!

It's a shame I was only 15 when BB came out...

 

[deathfromabove]

I just had a though. What if instead of making up a character, Nolan and Goyer used Andrea Beaumont. In BB, she would've been used as Bruces love interest and we could've seen that her father had ties to the mafia and Falcone. In TDK, Joker would kill her father. And then in part three, Batman would face off against the Phantasm, and find out that it is Andrea.

that would make a great batman movie...

wait a minute...

 

[sclabguy]

u know nolan and crew are pretty good with casting men but not women "sigh" too bad andrea was good looking

 

[The Joker]

Andrea would have been terrific, I agree.

In fact, I don't know why Nolan didn't choose a character like her, or Julie Madison, or Silver St Cloud etc to be in the movie, instead of inventing a character like Rachel.

 

[Eggyman]

I think they went with a smart choice with Dawes. Every film should have a wooden-walking, condecending-toned bit of fluff as the love interest. It just made it so much more interesting that she was so irritating.

I'm sorry, I normally have kind words to say but the character and the delivery were so irritating that I thought at first she must be destined to turn into Poison Ivy.

 

[November Rain]

By taking andrea, it probably would have been too much like the phantasm and they wanted to go their own way with this.

You really don't want to be comparing a film to phantasm, that's like the flagship product of the entire dcau and everybody loves the dcau...

 

[Crook]

I don't really see why it'd have to be like the Phantasm. They could have simply shaped their own story for Andrea, that took bits and pieces from MOTP.

 

[BatMatt]

Never seen Red Eye, I assume?

no I have, still not convinced

 

[November Rain]

You know fans, they'd rather you took the whole rather than remix bits and pieces...

starting with a fresh charater ultimately gives you complete freedom to do as you wish with them.

I mean that is exactly what mask of the phantasm did with andrea, she was completely made up to fill a hole in a plot that linked her, bats and the joker....

 

[BlueLightning]

I don´t think it would be a good idea. They would just making the same history again, and even if they only took parts of Andrea characterization from here and there, fans would be upset because in the DCAU Andrea is the Phantasm, and then there will be another fanboy war about changing characters. It would be nice to see Andrea in a movie these days, but we have already seen her in a movie.

I believe Nolan had in mind a character like Rachel Dawes, but there was no one character (correct me if I am wrong) that has the same or at least some of her characterization and story, so he just created it, (or Goyer did, I dunno).

 

[Joker's Lackey]

I like this idea of using Andrea instead of Rachel. Also they could of had Dent as the DA that helps Batman bring Falcone down.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Every Batman gets their own interpretation... wasn't Beaumont introduced in that animated movie before anything else? Just like the animated series invented female leads... Nolan should have the same ability to create new female leads that work in context with what he is doing. The animated series is a different interpretation of Batman as are the comics and films... if you are going to use new female leads at least take characters from the comics before taking something from Batman: TAS or animated films.

 

[Go God Go!]

Renaming Rachel Andrea wouldn't have mad her any less whiny.

Good writing would make her less whiny, and for that, you don't even have to change her name.

 

[Majik1387]

Every Batman gets their own interpretation... wasn't Beaumont introduced in that animated movie before anything else? Just like the animated series invented female leads... Nolan should have the same ability to create new female leads that work in context with what he is doing. The animated series is a different interpretation of Batman as are the comics and films... if you are going to use new female leads at least take characters from the comics before taking something from Batman: TAS or animated films.

The thing is, the female leads invented for the animated series actually were accepted by fans, and it helped further along the plot instead of being forced upon us. We could have gotten the same movie with BB if Rachel was never there.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Doesn't make a difference if the fans accepted it or not. Film makers are not obligated to give the fans rehashes of things that may have already worked for fans of a freaking animated movie. They want to give us what is going to work for the much wider live action film audience. The animated film and TAS for that matter is an entirely different take on the Joker and has nothing to do with what Nolan has going. We are going to see different interpretations and not rehashes. Let the made for animated characters stay in the animated versions. Nolan obviously has new characters (or new versions of existing chracters) in mind that he believes may work out better for live action batman films. So far they have worked out pretty well. I want to see him continue what he has in store with both the Joker and Rachel. I don't need a live action interpretation of a successful animated movie just because that happened to work (for a much smaller target audience that is not the same audience for the live action film anyway).

 

[Hole Shot]

I just had a though. What if instead of making up a character, Nolan and Goyer used Andrea Beaumont. In BB, she would've been used as Bruces love interest and we could've seen that her father had ties to the mafia and Falcone. In TDK, Joker would kill her father. And then in part three, Batman would face off against the Phantasm, and find out that it is Andrea.

I think that would have made for a far more interesting romantic subplot than having to deal with whiney Rachel Dawes. Nolan would've really made it badass.

Thoughts?

So replace a character that was made up for a movie with a character that was made up for a movie?

The thing is, the female leads invented for the animated series actually were accepted by fans, and it helped further along the plot instead of being forced upon us. We could have gotten the same movie with BB if Rachel was never there.

I think that's because TAS served more as an extension of the comic books that shared ideas back and forth where the movies are more of a standalone retelling of the whole Batman mythos (is that word I wanted to use there?).

 

[Riven]

Bad idea. As said, the "problem" with the Rachel Dawes character lay in how her role was written, not in the name or the fact she wasn't a character from the comics (or BTAS)...

The second you introduce the female lead as "Andrea Beaumont", you HAVE to do the Phantasm story arc, which is what all fans would expect (and deserve). That option probably never even dawned to Nolan (why would it?), so there's no reason he should have named this character Andrea Beaumont.

Her story was told perfectly in MOTP, why retread that in a new film??