Annihilation Conquest

Blade's had a ton of writers on a ton of series since his movie. The directions are just always ******ed and have nothing to do with the movie incarnation, which is obviously the popular version.
 
That's my point! why not go with the best version and get him a ongoing? he obviously has a fanbase cuase if he didn't, he wouldn't have made a trilogy and tv show. I say put Slott on him and JMS on SS and get them involved in the 616 more. In SS recent appearances, he seems to battle heroes instead of being one.
 
That's my point! why not go with the best version and get him a ongoing? he obviously has a fanbase cuase if he didn't, he wouldn't have made a trilogy and tv show. I say put Slott on him and JMS on SS and get them involved in the 616 more. In SS recent appearances, he seems to battle heroes instead of being one.

Having a non-book fanbase doesn't equate to having a comic fanbase.

Theres a LOT of people that don't even know Blade is a comic character.
 
While that's true, the comics were just really weird and bad. I tried to get into a few of Blade's series and they were always some wonky nonsense instead of the badass vampire hunter of few words that the movies portrayed.
 
yeah but a lot also do. Blade's latest number 1 did well on sells.................itwas just dumb as hell so the sells dropped big time. I gave it a chance but it was so horribly written that I couldn't take it!
 
anyone seen Blade Trinity or the series?

Character doesnt seem to have alot of steam even in the movies...

Movie Blade is so Late 90s.
 
I hate it when these threads post posts out of order! :cmad: And yeah Blade Trinity was a disappointment, though I did like it, BO reviews showed the fans didn't but that can't be blamed on Blade. Heck, Blade didn't get most of the air time, it was Biel's and Reynolds. Blame Goyer, though I still like his work. And the tv show, though I didn't like it, was one of the highest watched shows on cable tv. Spike just couldn't afford to keep it. So yeah the character does have lots of steam left. :o
 
Reynolds was good in that movie. That was about it. Dracula was a *****. The movie really suffered because of that.
 
Preview of AC #6

All I have to say about that third page is: Hell. ****ing. Yeah. :D

Exactly. Can't wait to see how AC concludes. Now THAT was Marvel's REAL event for 2007-2008, damn it. With a far better space threat than what Bendis has up his sleeve.

As for Blade, I always thought part of the problem is that while Blade works as a movie franchise, in which "vampire flicks" are their own genre of horror (even a B-Level movie like THE LOST BOYS has cult status by being part of that genre), but in comics, Horror has not been a popular genre since the end of the Silver Age and this is too limiting.

Vampires are a niche threat in 616 Marvel. Very few superheroes encounter them so Blade seems off on the fringes to begin with. Then, of course, his comics always seem to be launched with B-List creative teams with wonky ideas or delusions of grandeur.

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS, with I think Guggenhiem on the story, has that "Vanguard" group which includes Blade and has nothing to do with vampires at the time, and I was stunned. "Hey, Blade in something that ISN'T vampires?" But it works.

I mean, Blade keeps showing up in Marvel video games like ULTIMATE ALLIANCE or SPIDER-MAN: FRIEND OR FOE so obviously he is considered just as popular as some other B-Listers as Daredevil or whatnot. I think Blade needs to move slightly past the vampire thing and move onto "general supernatural menaces". I mean, sure, Dr. Strange handles that, but Strange is more big scale. He handles the cosmos altering Hell-Lords. But if a low level demon winds up in Kansas somewhere, well, if Ghost Rider isn't available, Blade'd do it. It isn't like it is unfounded. Blade's battled threats that weren't vampires before.

The only other option is to subtly involve vampires into more street-level superhero books so they seem like a worthy and dangerous enemy, and then set up Blade. Such as involving them in the NY underworld scene or something like that.
 
I say just go the horror route and let him fight some of everything. Blade and Werewolf by night teaming up in a town overrun by radioactive mutant zombies sounds pretty awesome to me. Tie it in to the Initiative and have that states super team go in to stop the carnage and get turned in the process. Zombies are selling, why the f**k not?
 
I say just go the horror route and let him fight some of everything. Blade and Werewolf by night teaming up in a town overrun by radioactive mutant zombies sounds pretty awesome to me.

Yeah, that would be cool. I agree with the idea to make Blade more of a general "beastie" hunter, just vampires are his speciality. I mean, vampires do dabble into other things. The demonic Six Fingered Hand, who battled the Defenders, had a vampire as their pawn for a bit. So he'd need to be prepared for anything.

Blade also needs a supporting cast and maybe a personality besides "silent brooding bad-ass". That works for some, but they usually need people around them. Even Batman has Alfred, Gordon, Robin, Nightwing, etc.
 
Shouldn't be hard. Some guy to make him weapons, a hot chick to provide some sexual tension, and, you know what? How about a talking animal side kick of some sort. There just ain't enough of those anymore. Cosmo and Wormwood's rabbit have spoiled me.
 
I say just go the horror route and let him fight some of everything. Blade and Werewolf by night teaming up in a town overrun by radioactive mutant zombies sounds pretty awesome to me. Tie it in to the Initiative and have that states super team go in to stop the carnage and get turned in the process. Zombies are selling, why the f**k not?
That sounds awesome. Hell, Tony could show up at the end of that arc and be like, "I like your style, Blade. Why don't you let SHIELD contract you as the lead for our supernatural division to replace those Howling Commandos guys we had? They died off-panel because no one cared about them despite a major push from marketing." Then you've got a nice vehicle for future supernatural adventures right there: SHIELD's sending Blade out to kick some monster ass around the world. Have him deputize whichever unused supernatural heroes he damn well pleases and you're good to go.
 
Sounds good. Then you'd have a character who's mainstream now with one who was rumored for years to be having a movie in the making. I say put Dr. Strange with them and even have a Midnight Sons book. Make these characters interesting again.
 
Ghost Rider's comic would be where you'd tackle any Midnight Sons reunion. Dr. Strange would never work for SHIELD at this point, either. But maybe in a few years.
 
Blade is part of that Vanguard thing happening in Marvel Comics Presents. Not a bad group, from what we've seen so far...though I'm curious at to how Yelena "Black Widow 2" is back among the living.
 
Vanguard lost my interest, to be honest. The Guardian story's getting close to doing so. I haven't dropped MCP yet, but if something big doesn't happen in the next issue, I probably will.
 
Exactly. Can't wait to see how AC concludes. Now THAT was Marvel's REAL event for 2007-2008, damn it. With a far better space threat than what Bendis has up his sleeve.

Eh...not really. It's not as action-packed as World War Hulk or as intriguing as Secret Invasion. Don't get me wrong, I'm liking Conquest on the whole, but it's just kind of bland thus far; the story isn't as exciting and the characters aren't as interesting compared to the first Annihilation. When you consider the best part of this event was the four-part Starlord mini that ended six months ago, that doesn't really reflect too well on main story.

That being said, I'm also looking forward to the finale--and even more so towards Guardians of the Galaxy.
 
I actually agree with everything you said! :eek: I like AC but its nowhere near as exciting as the original. Starlord mini was the best and the story is meh/exciting at the same time if it makes sense.
 
Eh...not really. It's not as action-packed as World War Hulk or as intriguing as Secret Invasion. Don't get me wrong, I'm liking Conquest on the whole, but it's just kind of bland thus far; the story isn't as exciting and the characters aren't as interesting compared to the first Annihilation. When you consider the best part of this event was the four-part Starlord mini that ended six months ago, that doesn't really reflect too well on main story.

That being said, I'm also looking forward to the finale--and even more so towards Guardians of the Galaxy.

I pretty much disagree with everything you said. I liked STARLORD but I am also enjoying the hell out of this event. Sure, it isn't as good as the first one, but that is like saying ROCKY II sucks because it wasn't as good as ROCKY. Even if true, it still was a helluva ride. Ultron needed this event to expand his horizons and make up for being a Cho ****e in IMO.
 
I pretty much disagree with everything you said. I liked STARLORD but I am also enjoying the hell out of this event. Sure, it isn't as good as the first one, but that is like saying ROCKY II sucks because it wasn't as good as ROCKY. Even if true, it still was a helluva ride. Ultron needed this event to expand his horizons and make up for being a Cho ****e in IMO.

Conquest is a mediocre event because it's two principal characters are annoying as all hell and the plot has been building to something very slowly over the course of 11 months. The story opened with a bang in the Prologue issue, but has just been meandering around since then. The only really great aspect thus far has been the characterization and, again, that was just in the Starlord mini. Quasar, Moondragon, Adam Warlock, Wraith have all been boring and/or annoying as all hell, while badasses like Super-Skrull, Drax, and Ronan have been forced on the sidelines the whole time. I love Ultron's character, but he has had so little presence in the story; he's been off-panel for the majority of Conquest.

But finally, and perhaps most importantly, there has been no immediacy to the story. You never get the feeling that the universe is screwed. Compare that to the first Annihilation: the Nova Corps was wiped out, the Skrull empire was destroyed, Galactus was captured, his heralds were being hunted down, and there was never a shortage of badass moments (Annihilus vaporizing Quasar, Drax ripping out Thanos' heart, etc). Conquest hasn't had any of that kind of stuff yet. It's been a very slow-moving event that's really lacking the no-holds barred storytelling of the first Annihilation. Things feel a little too safe if something on Conquest's scale is to be taken seriously.

And Rocky II does suck.
 
Conquest is a mediocre event because it's two principal characters are annoying as all hell and the plot has been building to something very slowly over the course of 11 months. The story opened with a bang in the Prologue issue, but has just been meandering around since then. The only really great aspect thus far has been the characterization and, again, that was just in the Starlord mini. Quasar, Moondragon, Adam Warlock, Wraith have all been boring and/or annoying as all hell, while badasses like Super-Skrull, Drax, and Ronan have been forced on the sidelines the whole time. I love Ultron's character, but he has had so little presence in the story; he's been off-panel for the majority of Conquest.

I'll acknowledge that compared to ANNIHILATION, it isn't fast paced. I'll even admit that a lot of the successful stars of the aforementioned event haven taken a back-seat to Phyla and Warlock. But I kind of admire the courage of it. It would have been a no-brainer for DnA to go, "Yeah, just have Ronan, Nova, and Drax tear the threat to the universe a new a-hole again" like last time. But I think they wanted to do their own thing, boost some other characters. Adam Warlock was a big figure in 90's space stories, the apex of the genre at Marvel, so to me it felt like a natural progression to try to dust him off. He's a bit emotastic, but he's had his moments.

Wraith was a big fat waste, though. Aside for his convenient power, he has done nothing and that seems sloppy to have a brand new character contribute so little. He wasn't the best, but man.

But I think the threat that Great Ultron's Phalanx is still a massive one. The Kree empire was the last "superpower" in the region (least unless you count the Shi'ar, who are always too busy with the X-Men) and they were infected and taken over in one issue. Now we see that Ultron wants to lead his armada back to Earth to finish off his Avengers enemies once and for all. It has been a slower ride but I see it as a great evolution of Ultron's character. I'm all for trying to boost other characters rather than overdoing the same stars over and over again, even if it isn't always a gamble that pays off. I mean, that is how most of the X-Men who weren't Wolverine, Gambit, or Rogue got smothered during the 90's.

Giffen's story had more explosions, but I feel CONQUEST is a sequel that deals with what is left. There was less smashing because there was less to smash; there were only the Kree and they lost in the Prologue.

Plus, you never know. Nova may end up saving the day anyway. :)


But finally, and perhaps most importantly, there has been no immediacy to the story. You never get the feeling that the universe is screwed. Compare that to the first Annihilation: the Nova Corps was wiped out, the Skrull empire was destroyed, Galactus was captured, his heralds were being hunted down, and there was never a shortage of badass moments (Annihilus vaporizing Quasar, Drax ripping out Thanos' heart, etc). Conquest hasn't had any of that kind of stuff yet. It's been a very slow-moving event that's really lacking the no-holds barred storytelling of the first Annihilation. Things feel a little too safe if something on Conquest's scale is to be taken seriously.

I don't know; seeing Gabe die or Groot do his thing were pretty cool moments. The Ultron reveal was solid. The issue that tied everything that Ultron did in the past to what he is doing now was effective. Like I said, there may seem like less immediacy and less of a threat because the Phalanx are basically taking over the scraps left after the Annihilation Wave wrecked everything.

I never cared about Adam Warlock before; he's been a bit stereotypical here, but at least he is trying to beat people with energy blasts, instead of sucking their souls.

It is a different sort of story, but I am still enjoying it a lot more than the mainstream Marvel event.

And Rocky II does suck.

No it doesn't. Only ROCKY V sucked.
 

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