Are Studios Committing Movie Suicide?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

To be honest, after this summer I cant wait for next summer, but, there is going to be one or two high profile bombs IMO and if I had to cast my vote Rise Of The Apes and Captain America seem the prime candidates to me.

 

[Timstuff]

I think the biggest loser of 2012 will be X-Men: First Class. The X-Men franchise is looking awfully long in the tooth these days, and I think Audiences are going to be bored of seeing yet another prequel with a predictably status-quo outcome. We all know that by the end of the movie the characters will all end up where they were at the beginning of X-Men 1, so much like Wolverine there will be an inescapable sense of predictability. Add to that the lack of familiar faces, and it's easy to see it getting lost in the shuffle of fresh new licenses like Tor, Captain America, and Green Lantern.

I have a bad feeling about Captain America, though. I have high hopes for the movie's quality, but I'm worried that it's potentially a big bomb in terms of box office. The Cap just doesn't have the kind of recognizeable powers that a lot of other heroes have, and on top of that the movie will probably do poorly overseas since a lot of countries still see Captain America as a propaganda tool. Unless the movie does REALLY well in the US, it's going to be in for a tough fight.

 

[dark_b]

If we want to see more original properties and original films then Inception is one of those films that really needs to succeed.

Also, some of these sequels really need to be spread out. I can totally see studios delaying films. In fact, I think its inevitable that delays will happen

it wont change anything.

everytime a movie that is maybe unique or original gets popular and makes money hollywood ignores it.did TDK cahnge anything for comicsbook movies?


they will not change.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Here's the deal with Inception although I know nothing about it other than the trailers. It's gonna come out, it will be awesome, and Hollywood will then launch a dozen more films that explore dreams, the sub-conscience, a Matrix/Inception hybrid, and a couple more complete cheezefests that rip off the same concept.

which is why I will skip each and every X Men and Spider-Man movie released under Fox and Sony, because to them it's not about making a good film, but maintaining rights. There is literally no point in wasting time and money supporting these efforts

may as well just wipe your ass with your money, because that's what you're doing if you purchase any tickets to any future X or Spidey films

Marvel is probably using them for extra cash on the side to fund their own projects. You telling me Marvel can't tell Sony or Fox, "Take an extra year or two... don't sandwich it between the biggest CB movie of all time and the most anticipated Batman movie ever." No doubt Sony would hold out for a better, more lucrative May release in 2013 or 2014 if they were allowed to do so.

 

[dark_b]

Here's the deal with Inception although I know nothing about it other than the trailers. It's gonna come out, it will be awesome, and Hollywood will then launch a dozen more films that explore dreams, the sub-conscience, a Matrix/Inception hybrid, and a couple more complete cheezefests that rip off the same concept.


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but not expensive movies. and if they are low budget then it will not be new snce i think there were already some movies with similar story.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

it wont change anything.

everytime a movie that is maybe unique or original gets popular and makes money hollywood ignores it.did TDK cahnge anything for comicsbook movies?


they will not change.

Its pretty funny how Batman Begins was more influential to comic book movies than TDK.

TDK kind of stands on its own outside the genre it seems.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

it wont change anything.

everytime a movie that is maybe unique or original gets popular and makes money hollywood ignores it.did TDK cahnge anything for comicsbook movies?


they will not change.

The Dark Knight was a sequel.

And it did change things both for good and for bad. It did show that if Studios take comic book films seriously, they can be very successful. But at the same time some studios take them too seriously.

And Avatar had studios scrambling for more 3D films, among them more bigger budget original films. I doubt that Green Lantern would've gotten a bigger budget if it wasn't for Avatar.

 

[baerrtt]

I think the biggest loser of 2012 will be X-Men: First Class. The X-Men franchise is looking awfully long in the tooth these days, and I think Audiences are going to be bored of seeing yet another prequel with a predictably status-quo outcome. We all know that by the end of the movie the characters will all end up where they were at the beginning of X-Men 1, so much like Wolverine there will be an inescapable sense of predictability. Add to that the lack of familiar faces, and it's easy to see it getting lost in the shuffle of fresh new licenses like Tor, Captain America, and Green Lantern.

I have a bad feeling about Captain America, though. I have high hopes for the movie's quality, but I'm worried that it's potentially a big bomb in terms of box office. The Cap just doesn't have the kind of recognizeable powers that a lot of other heroes have, and on top of that the movie will probably do poorly overseas since a lot of countries still see Captain America as a propaganda tool. Unless the movie does REALLY well in the US, it's going to be in for a tough fight.

I live in the United Kingdom and when the 'Death Of Captain America' storyline was released it made the mainstream news headlines. The only other comic book characters to have had that here is Superman twice(his 'death' and the electric blue 'costume' change ), Batman (the RIP storyline) and Spider-man (his public unmasking during Civil War) so to an extent I wouldn't worry about how credible or known the character is internationally.

Besides James Bond has often been accused of being a 'racist, propaganda tool for the British and yet the character is popular EVERYWHERE.

 

[dark_b]

1. so what if TDK was a sequel? a movie is a movie
2. how did it change things with studios? examples.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I was talking about original movies. I wasn't pointing out sequels.

How did Avatar not change things? It finally showed the full potential of 3-D/CGI when used simultaneously. Studios took notice and are now putting out more films in 3-D. High concept Sci-fi scripts are now looked at more closely. There are many examples, but I'll use a few for now.

Before Avatar, a spec script called Ion was being shopped around. There were no buyers and no interest in it. After Avatar, when Ion was being shopped around again, it generated much interest and Fox is now trying to make that into a film now with Riddley Scott producing.

Green Lantern originally had a budget of $150 million. Post Avatar, the budget became $200 million and it was announced that it would be 3-D with the suit being CGI. I don't think this was all a coincidence.

I know that Inception was planned before Avatar, but that's not the point. The point is, that if Inception proves to be very popular studios will try to vie for original high concept stories (or adaptations) with bigger budget to be created. Hollywood has a monkey-see, monkey-do mentality. Its all about faith with the studios in order to get bigger budgets.

Will original stories be more popular than sequels? I really don't think so, but on a bit of a separate note look at what the high grossing films of all time history. I find it funny that despite the fact that sequels always dominate the top 10 high grossing films every year the #1 highest grossing film domestic or world-wide has never been a sequel.

 

[antsman41]

Who cares, instead of going to bad movies in summer 11, I'll be stalking a good movie (cough Batman 3 cough) in Chicago...

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think Inception could be successful because it's different. The marketing has been great. But it's kind of mysterious in ways. We've been giving enough to work with the basic plot, but that's all. I think those two factors will draw people in. They may want to know more, plus it looks good.

 

[CaptainCanada]

You telling me Marvel can't tell Sony or Fox, "Take an extra year or two... don't sandwich it between the biggest CB movie of all time and the most anticipated Batman movie ever." No doubt Sony would hold out for a better, more lucrative May release in 2013 or 2014 if they were allowed to do so.

Er, no. Marvel has sold the rights (or leased them), and they don't have a veto; the studios have their own timetables, and Sony, for instance, has made it clear it wants a new Spider-Man film for 2012. Likewise, Fox is on the verge of losing the rights to the Fantastic Four.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Marvel is probably using them for extra cash on the side to fund their own projects. You telling me Marvel can't tell Sony or Fox, "Take an extra year or two... don't sandwich it between the biggest CB movie of all time and the most anticipated Batman movie ever." No doubt Sony would hold out for a better, more lucrative May release in 2013 or 2014 if they were allowed to do so.

no Marvel can not, how do you not know this?

It's a simple concept, Marvel doesn't own the rights to those characters anymore, they don't have a say in when the films gets released

were you SERIOUSLY under any other assumption?

and Sony and Fox are only puting out new Spidey and X Men films for the sole purpose of maintaining the rights. Not because they want to actually make new Spidey and X Men films.

 

[FaT_tONle]

no Marvel can not, how do you not know this?

It's a simple concept, Marvel doesn't own the rights to those characters anymore, they don't have a say in when the films gets released

were you SERIOUSLY under any other assumption?

and Sony and Fox are only puting out new Spidey and X Men films for the sole purpose of maintaining the rights. Not because they want to actually make new Spidey and X Men films.

You don't know what is in that deal and what is not, so you don't know either. We don't know what is in the contract, when it may have been changed or renegotiated on the way, or how fluid it may actually be. The fact that, you know... Marvel agreed to the deal, probably means they can give even more leeway if they wanted to as far as deadlines? Isn't the idea to maximize the exposure of all characters to reap the highest profits? Rushing out a film because it has to be out by a target year that is already crowded is not smart business for ANYBODY. Yeah Marvel may get the rights back a year or two sooner, but the properties will be twice as worthless if these reboots fail yet again. Yet I guess we are all under the assumptions that Marvel can do nothing but stick their thumbs up their butts while Sony and Fox destroy these properties. I don't buy that. The fact that Marvel is still working closely with Fox/Sony in developing these projects obviously proves that they have some influence, and I certainly don't see a problem in extending a deadline a couple of years if need be.

 

[terry78]

Inception can go one of two ways - people see it, and word of mouth gets others to check it out.

- People go see it, it's got some "weird" vibe to it, and people tell their associates that it's strange, it's boring, or some **** like that.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Pretty much.

I sometimes think we underestimate the GA. Now they're all not mindless idiots. They just want to go to the movies for escapim and be entertained and get their money's worth. They're not like alot of us on here.

For me I think sports are boring, they can't understand it. Just like I can't understand when they think a film is boring.

But who knows? Maybe people want to see Inception because they want something new. The reactions for the GA are unpredictable.

 

[MadVillainy]

"It's Omaha Beach, it's going to be a bloodbath," said Favreau. "There's never been a summer like this next summer. It's going to be bloody [for filmmakers and the studios]. As we were sticking thumb tacks in a calendar we realized that this is going to be looked back upon as Omaha Beach."

He continued: "There's not a weekend where there won't be teeth on the floor. The audience wins but it's going to be rough for people making these movies. Then there was the big rush to 3D, so you have all of these people fighting for a limited number of screens and to get the 3D done, since most of these are hybrids or conversions, so this is a technology that is still in the relatively early stages and there's going to be a lot of blood pressures going up in the months ahead."

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[bullets]

I guess this summer was the calm before the storm .

 

[Warhammer]

Guys, y'all best start saving up now. Next summer is going to murder peoples' wallets.

 

[MadVillainy]

Guys, y'all best start saving up now. Next summer is going to murder peoples' wallets.

lol I was thinking the same thing. to add to that Im going to SDCC. By the end of the year for me it'll be

 

[jmc]

All the more reason why I'm predicting there are going to be some big time casualties next year, I'm predicting at least 2 massive flops and you know what it'll be deserved because there's plenty of time throughout the year to find a spot for these films. Very few people are going to be able to afford going to all these big films, totally insane, we've got 8 months throughout the year that are being completely wasted. Effing insane if you ask me.

 

[Warhammer]

lol I was thinking the same thing. to add to that Im going to SDCC. By the end of the year for me it'll be

Damn son, you are gonna be broke. I wish you good luck.

 

[Warhammer]

All the more reason why I'm predicting there are going to be some big time casualties next year, I'm predicting at least 2 massive flops and you know what it'll be deserved because there's plenty of time throughout the year to find a spot for these films. Very few people are going to be able to afford going to all these big films, totally insane, we've got 8 months throughout the year that are being completely wasted. Effing insane if you ask me.

Personally, I don't know why studios don't release alot of big budget movies in mid-August or September. Usually, the holiday movie season dies off by early August which leaves mid-August throughout September left with usually horrible movies. The only good thing about September is that one early Oscar contender. Then October is filled with horror films while the other huge movies come out in November and December. Mid-August to September could be great for big budget films.

Hell, some studios are already aware of releasing one or two big budget films in April. It's possible for success and Fast & Furious proved it last year.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Studios are stacking up in 2012 to prepare for the End of the World.