Days of Future Past Are you tired of Wolverine being overexposed?

Have you had enough of Wolverine hogging the spotlight?

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Fox will make more Wolverine films (Wolverine/Yukio in Russia with Omega Red and Spiral as villains).

I would love that!

And with a Wolverine 3 film, I'm really confident that FOX would get make their money back. Especially if they just shoot the entire film in Canada or Australia and keep the small-scale look and only use a couple of mutants in the film.

And I can't say that to a Deadpool film, X-Force film and a FC3 film.
 
Didn't Wolverine have like the 8th biggest opening of the year (maybe it was summer) as well? That movie is getting way too much negativity on it's run from people. It's one of the few big budget films that's not a kids flick that's done well for itself this year.

He still has plenty of an audience, and having a good film could likey give him a boost in popularity. People are tripping if they think this means Wolverines not as popular.

The films getting close to all the other X-Men movies WW....without the X-Men or a big budget. An R rated Cut on Blu Ray is gonna be big as well.

And I can't say that to a Deadpool film, X-Force film and a FC3 film.
:bdh:

Ya just had to go there.....again.
 
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Didn't Wolverine have like the 8th biggest opening of the year as well? That movie is getting way too much negativity on it's run from people. It's one of the few big budget films that's not a kids flick that's done well for itself this year. He still has plenty of an audience, and having a good film could likey give him a boost his popularity. People are tripping if they think this means Wolverines not as popular. He's getting close to all the other X-Men movies WW....without the X-Men.

I don't know about its OW ranking worldwide, but in the U.S. its the 9th biggest opening weekend of the year.

http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=opening&yr=2013&p=.htm

Then compare to the other X-Men films, it got the biggest opening weekend. And it will surpass X3's foreign gross in less than a month.


Are you really that confident that Deadpool/a X-Force film would be an instant hit? Or at least earn 300 million worldwide? I don't see FOX giving those films a budget lower than The Wolverine especially X-Force. Those two will be harder to sell compare to a Wolverine film.

And about First Class 3, it might get more money than First Class 1 because some of the actors from that FC are appearing in DOFP. But a FC3 film would need more budget than $160 million. A Wolverine 3 movie (keeping The Wolverine's standards) can have a budget of 130 million or less.
 
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I don't know about its OW ranking worldwide, but in the U.S. its the 9th biggest opening weekend of the year.

http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=opening&yr=2013&p=.htm

Then compare to the other X-Men films, it got the biggest opening weekend. And it will surpass X3's foreign gross in less than a month.

Maybe I was thinking of the summer then on the ranking still that's not bad at all.

It's foreign numbers a great!!!

Are you really that confident that Deadpool/a X-Force film would be an instant hit? Or at least earn 300 million worldwide? I don't see FOX giving those films a budget lower than The Wolverine especially X-Force.
Not going over this again with you. Let it go man.
 
Wolverine is still a big draw to this series. Can you really picture another X-Men character to have his name on the title of the movie and sell more than $100 million (domestic) and $300 million worldwide. Wolverine is the only X-Men character that can do that.

Well you could argue it's because the general moviegoing audience has been conditioned to see him as such. THE hero, THE main character, and that all started in X1.

And I don't necessarily mean conditioned in a bad way, and while Wolverine is an incredible character with a lot of depth and history, is that not to say that characters like Jean, Iceman, Angel, Nightcrawler, Professor, Magneto, Gambit, Rogue, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, or even Colossus can't be just as interesting? 50 years of X-comics have shown us that in the right hands, even characters like Domino, Husk, Elixir, Anole, Marrow, or Warpath (and this list could literally span 30 mutants) could be stars when given the right writer and story.

People can say what they want about Marvel Studios vs Fox/Sony and their handling of the films, and personally, I have been very happy with X-Men under FOX, but Marvel is doing a freaking Guardians of the Galaxy movie. They're willing to take risks on "unknown" characters and stories, because they have FAITH in the strength of those characters and stories, and in the right hands can produce an exceptional film with characters that can be "stars" in their own right. Did I EVER imagine I would see Rocket Raccoon on my movie screen? No.

(Also, did I ever imagine I would see Blink?!?!?! No and I'm freaking ridiculously excited. Too bad she will be overshadowed by the Wolverine And The X-Men Club)
 
Well you could argue it's because the general moviegoing audience has been conditioned to see him as such. THE hero, THE main character, and that all started in X1.

And I don't necessarily mean conditioned in a bad way, and while Wolverine is an incredible character with a lot of depth and history, is that not to say that characters like Jean, Iceman, Angel, Nightcrawler, Professor, Magneto, Gambit, Rogue, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, or even Colossus can't be just as interesting? 50 years of X-comics have shown us that in the right hands, even characters like Domino, Husk, Elixir, Anole, Marrow, or Warpath (and this list could literally span 30 mutants) could be stars when given the right writer and story.

People can say what they want about Marvel Studios vs Fox/Sony and their handling of the films, and personally, I have been very happy with X-Men under FOX, but Marvel is doing a freaking Guardians of the Galaxy movie. They're willing to take risks on "unknown" characters and stories, because they have FAITH in the strength of those characters and stories, and in the right hands can produce an exceptional film with characters that can be "stars" in their own right. Did I EVER imagine I would see Rocket Raccoon on my movie screen? No.

(Also, did I ever imagine I would see Blink?!?!?! No and I'm freaking ridiculously excited. Too bad she will be overshadowed by the Wolverine And The X-Men Club)

Actually FOX releasing 3 consecutive spin-offs especially First Class were quite a risk IMO, I have never seen a film series release 3 spin-offs in a row that all featured a different cast.

Usually, with movie series like this, studios will just continue releasing sequels with the cast/lead character from the 1st film. Some film series released 1 spin-off or a prequel, but after that 1 film, they went back releasing another sequel to the main series.

And IMO, even if they put the focus on a different character, in terms of mass-appeal, that character won't surpass Wolverine's appeal to the GA (that is the case in the comic-books) and a solo movie for that character won't be as successful a solo Wolverine film.
 
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Beyond that, I personally always liked Wolverine as a side character, but I really don't find he holds my interest as a main character at all.

I loved the character in X1-X2 but even when the first solo Wolverine film was announced I wasn't particularly excited. Wolverine by himself is just not terribly interesting IMO, he needs to be a part of an ensemble so that he can have other well-defined characters to interact with and play off. So I do look forward to his interactions with the FC cast in DoFP, particularly Charles.
 
The problem is that Fox never invested in the other characters. To be fair, they were flying a bit blind with the first X-film, but X2 seemed to plant some seeds for other character development. But they blew it in X3 and Origins, where it was all about throwing as many mutants as possible on screen and seeing what stuck.

That’s not really true. What’s true is that the other characters haven’t been invested in AS MUCH as Wolverine, but throughout the franchise, Xavier, Magneto, Jean Grey and Rogue have gotten some very decent focus. If we consider the original franchise alone, I’d suggest Iceman and Storm got some decent focus as well.

X3 wasn't just about "throwing mutants onscreen and seeing what stuck", though there was certainly an element of that with the Morlock characters, supervillains, etc.

However, at the same time, secondary characters like Jean, Storm, Beast and Kitty Pryde got much more time onscreen and more exploration and development as supporting characters than the supporting X-Men had in previous films. X3 was a leap forward in that regard. It handled the ensemble in a much more balanced fashion.

Now, have we seen much about all the supporting cast in general in this franchise?

No, but that’s largely an issue with the medium itself, and its true in any superhero franchise or ensemble film. For instance, in the Batman franchise, what did we learn about Alfred in three films, besides the very basics? Not a whole lot. James Gordon? Etc, etc, etc. What do we really know about Pepper Potts in the IRON MAN franchise?

If Storm had better writing, Scott wasn't treated as Wolverine's obstacle, and Pyro and Iceman's frenemy thing treated as something more than an annoying plot point to be tied up in X3, (etc etc), we wouldn't be left with Wolverine as the only one putting the butts in the theater seats.

Iceman and Pyro’s “rivalry” was treated as just that, a rivalry, with one of them devolving into a terrorist and one of them evolving into a hero.

Scott HAS to be treated as Wolverine’s obstacle to an extent. That’s what he is to Wolverine, at least initially. A foil, and an obstacle. But filmmakers showed a very clear portrayal of who Jean “belongs with” in X2 and X3. Any halfway intelligent person should not believe that Scott was somehow just Logan’s “competition” in this franchise. From Wolverine’s point of view, yes. But not in terms of the big picture.

Well you could argue it's because the general moviegoing audience has been conditioned to see him as such. THE hero, THE main character, and that all started in X1.

Here’s the thing.

Wolverine may well be the main character, the audience identification character, what have you, but The X-Men films show them working as a team, and it’s generally been Wolverine AND the X-Men “saving the day”.

Pretty much from the beginning.

It’s never been just Wolverine on his own, except when he’s actually on his own. He’s been the X-Men’s most durable character, and their most skilled. These are very faithful portrayals of Logan in relation to the X-Men.

And I don't necessarily mean conditioned in a bad way, and while Wolverine is an incredible character with a lot of depth and history, is that not to say that characters like Jean, Iceman, Angel, Nightcrawler, Professor, Magneto, Gambit, Rogue, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, or even Colossus can't be just as interesting?

I think Xavier and Magneto have gotten very similar “focus” to Wolverine. It can be argued that Jean has, as well, at least in X3.

50 years of X-comics have shown us that in the right hands, even characters like Domino, Husk, Elixir, Anole, Marrow, or Warpath (and this list could literally span 30 mutants) could be stars when given the right writer and story.

Right, but that’s 50 years of comics. Of monthly titles, one shots, etc.

Not finite films that come out at best every two or three years, with two hours to tell a story.

You can't really compare the two. It's not quite that simple.
 
I get more annoyed by it in the comics. It's really obscene sometimes. It's like "here's a nice character moment for cyclops and then bang wolverine right in the middle of it:cmad:"
 
Well to ME there was a time Wolverine was in EVERYTHING it seemed, which is a good thing for Logan fans, but to appear in places like Spidey used to just to boost sales was just too much for me. I like Wolverine just not the lame uses for a great character.
I'm up for a big cross over film studio wise as long as MARVEL has the say of the content and not Fox and Sony. I would really love to see the Infinity Gauntlet done properly with the heroes who were IN the story and that won't happen easily.

Wrong. That's a stupid and childish generalization.

For starters, no one here (including myself) has the right to judge who's a *real* fan of anything.

Read through this thread, and you'll see that the clear consensus is that everyone (Wolverine fans included) are not only not against more team films and focus on other characters, they want those films too.

If they're still happy to see Wolverine play a big role in the films because he's their favorite character, there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone's entitled to have a favorite character, and that doesn't make them any less or more of a fan of this series as anyone else.
 
I would still argue that Rogue was the main character in X1. Wolverine works solo IF you give him some kind of unique setting/characters to play off of. That is why having him in Japan playing off Mariko, Yukio, Viper, etc worked well.
 
I would love that!

And with a Wolverine 3 film, I'm really confident that FOX would get make their money back. Especially if they just shoot the entire film in Canada or Australia and keep the small-scale look and only use a couple of mutants in the film.

And I can't say that to a Deadpool film, X-Force film and a FC3 film.

I'm not entirely sold on a Wolverine 3 film but I would like to see Omega Red, Darkstar, Spiral and Alpha Flight appear on screen at some point (not all in the same movie!). A third Wolverine film would need a good reason to be made - a solid story concept. And better marketing this time!

As for Deadpool, that would probably be a spin-off from X Force and may not happen at all. X Force sounds intriguing if they have come up with a great concept for it and can get some great cast.

And First Class 3 might be an option for showing us a young Jean, Scott, Storm and also adding Dazzler. The might want to do it so they can keep McAvoy, Hoult, Fassbender and Lawrence for one more film. It depends what direction DoFP goes in and where it suggests the story will go next.

This franchise needs great movies and great marketing because the release schedule is so crowded these days and there are four studios releasing superhero movies - Warner, Marvel, Fox and Sony. That's a lot of films in the same genre. Anything that isn't done in a fantastic way is just going to be outshone by the others.
 
I'm not entirely sold on a Wolverine 3 film but I would like to see Omega Red, Darkstar, Spiral and Alpha Flight appear on screen at some point (not all in the same movie!). A third Wolverine film would need a good reason to be made - a solid story concept. And better marketing this time!

Given the last scene of Yukio and Mariko in The Wolverine, it feels like its not the last time we are going to see those two. So a Wolverine 3 featuring those two characters with Wolverine seems very possible for me. And I want Spiral/Omega Red to be the villains in the next Wolverine movie. Omega Red as the lead villain and Spiral as the supporting villain. I don't see Alpha Flight appearing in the movies. And Darkstar could be a good choice because of her background.
 
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I would still argue that Rogue was the main character in X1.

I thought that the reason Rogue had a major role in X1 was mostly because she had a major part in Wolverine's story. It was pretty telling IMO that once she stopped playing a big role in Logan's life in later films her importance shrunk accordingly.
 
Rogue had a big role due to being an integral part of Magneto's plan, and more importantly, she filled in the "Logan's young female sidekick" role that Kitty had in the comics and Jubilee had TV show.
 
Rogue was who the plot revolved around (Magneto wanted her, the X-Men trying to save her). Logan was the supporting protagonist (he was the main character in X2).
 
That’s not really true. What’s true is that the other characters haven’t been invested in AS MUCH as Wolverine, but throughout the franchise, Xavier, Magneto, Jean Grey and Rogue have gotten some very decent focus. If we consider the original franchise alone, I’d suggest Iceman and Storm got some decent focus as well.

X3 wasn't just about "throwing mutants onscreen and seeing what stuck", though there was certainly an element of that with the Morlock characters, supervillains, etc..

The way i view it the X-Franchise has lots character development other than Wolverine

Magneto has a lot lf backstory into his motivations and views.

Professor X the same. As well as being the guiding leader and mentor for his team.

Rogue goes from the scared and unpreperared youth in X1 to the troubled and self-hating mutant unable to connect physically with others in X2 and X3.

Iceman goes from the easygoing Mutant, to one in a relaitionship with Rogue, rivalry with former friend and having to choose his genetic family over biological family.

Beast goes from the self hating Mutant who accepts who he is and embraces it.

Mystique goes from the scared and isolated child to a young woman tired of having to wear a 'mask' and decent into villainy over wanting to be accepted for who she is.

Stryker goes from a military general with a mutant son he wants to cure to a man wanting to eradicate Mutants from Earth.

Jean goes from a romatically conflicted mutant still grapping with controlling her powers to a force of nature with her abilities unleashed without control.

Storm goes from a meek hero, to a capable warrior and leader

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I would still argue that Rogue was the main character in X1.

Thats because she is. :cwink:
 
Ive been tired of Wolverine since X2. I'm not here for Wolverine, I am here for the X-men. Just about every main character suffered so Wolverine could be in the spot light. I haven't even bothered watching his 2 solo movies since I have seen enough of him in 3 X films and now a 4th.
 
That’s not really true. What’s true is that the other characters haven’t been invested in AS MUCH as Wolverine, but throughout the franchise, Xavier, Magneto, Jean Grey and Rogue have gotten some very decent focus. If we consider the original franchise alone, I’d suggest Iceman and Storm got some decent focus as well.

X3 wasn't just about "throwing mutants onscreen and seeing what stuck", though there was certainly an element of that with the Morlock characters, supervillains, etc.

However, at the same time, secondary characters like Jean, Storm, Beast and Kitty Pryde got much more time onscreen and more exploration and development as supporting characters than the supporting X-Men had in previous films. X3 was a leap forward in that regard. It handled the ensemble in a much more balanced fashion.

Have to disagree there. TLS doesn't develop anybody really. It's all half-baked, surface based changes; ironically most of the best development was left on the cutting room floor.
 
Most the time characters in the OT felt like supporting characters to wolverine

I think X3 shows showed the frame set of how Xmen was seen at the time and that's wolverine has to has to feature heavily, he has have a big part in the main plot while everyone had a moment or 2 to shine
 
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Didn't Wolverine have like the 8th biggest opening of the year (maybe it was summer) as well? That movie is getting way too much negativity on it's run from people. It's one of the few big budget films that's not a kids flick that's done well for itself this year.

He still has plenty of an audience, and having a good film could likey give him a boost in popularity. People are tripping if they think this means Wolverines not as popular.

The films getting close to all the other X-Men movies WW....without the X-Men or a big budget. An R rated Cut on Blu Ray is gonna be big as well. .

Well said.

Fox has got a good streak going with this and First Class, can't wait for DOFP
 
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Given the last scene of Yukio and Mariko in The Wolverine, it feels like its not the last time we are going to see those two. So a Wolverine 3 featuring those two characters with Wolverine seems very possible for me. And I want Spiral/Omega Red to be the villains in the next Wolverine movie. Omega Red as the lead villain and Spiral as the supporting villain. I don't see Alpha Flight appearing in the movies. And Darkstar could be a good choice because of her background.

Why won't Alpha Flight ever appear on screen? Do you think they are not part of the Fox rights package?

I think they are a really interesting team (with some mystical aspects that set them apart from other teams). Also, they are a great set of opponents for the X-Men (as seen in the comics) and we already saw the Hudsons (parents of Alpha Flight member Vindicator) in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
 
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