Comics Asm #534 *spoilers*

[chris moore]

What I wanna know is...
... who launched those missiles? No-one on Cap's team is a user of military style weaponry, and Cap would never condone its use. Besides which, they wouldnt launch them at a motorcade carrying any hero, let alone anti-reg ones. Those things were coming straight at Spidey who was on the prisoner transport.

Stark's downloading biometric and videographic information from his "gift" to Peter, and someone is firing deadly missiles at heroes... methinks something is afoot!

 

[Biff Hardbody]

Head in the fight or not, Cap put a whupping on Spidey. All his punches hurt Spidey and one strike even made him numb.

 

[Themanofbat]

I wouldn't call it a whupping...

 

[daveswb]

I thought so. Just yesterday on another message board I concluded that what Marvel really means by saying "there is no right or wrong side in Civil War" that the pro-registration side is LEGALLY right but MORALLY wrong and the anti-registration side is MORALLY right but LEGALLY wrong. Except, of course, that would mean that the anti-registation side is in the right, which means Marvel really IS taking sides when all the while they're claiming they are not. Course, given Civil War and all the subsequent tie-ins, that should've been apparent.

How can they not take sides? Somone has to win in the end. The story has to have a conclusion, so they have to pick a side to win.

That's a dumb statment from Marvel.

 

[Captivated]

Why is Spider-Man so dumb now? He has always done what is morally right, not jsut what the law says and not become the puppet of Bush. He seems stupider in that suit than when he was turned evil by the Venom symbiote.

Oy really though.

What the...!? Hey, back off the liberal spin, man. It's BAD enough that the writers are trying to CONTORT the issues here into an analogy (a poor one) of the liberal DISTORTION of current events...

I've been complaining about the "dumbing down" of Spider-Man ever since Bendis started portraying him as an inconsequential, goof-ball in New Avengers... But I think most of the comments here, concerning his actions and relationship to Tony, are over the top.

Obviously, Spider-Man took the PRO registration side because he thought it was the correct thing to do... possibly the only thing to do... NOT because he's TONY's "puppet." If Tony has decieved him... if there is MORE to this than meets the eye... THAT is Tony's fault and I have a feeling that Peter will discover it, because he's NOT dumb.

As it's lining up now, it looks as if Peter will switch sides just because he doesn't like fighting other heroes... NOT because he thinks the SHRA is a bad idea.

But, what do we know about the SHRA anyway? Actually, on the surface it sounds like a reasonable and good thing. But the devil is in the details...

I have yet to read a GOOD explaination as to WHY Captain America was right away so dead set against the SHRA. NO ONE is "free" to do whatever the hell they want... Just throwing out the words, "a violation of freedoms" is too vauge, and doesn't really mean anything. Tony wanted to explain something to him, and he refused to listen. Sounds like he doesn't even KNOW what the SHRA is about... IMO it's hard to pick a "side" when you don't really know what's involved.

Sad to say, I don't think they are going to get specific and "logical" here... more and more this is looking like what it obviously is... a ploy to get the heroes to fight each other... a "who will beat who" fantasy game come to life.

 

[Captivated]

Everyone's asking why Peter could be so dumb these days...

What I'd like to know is why Peter should be so untrustworthy of Tony these days to make him so apprehensive of him?

Pete's guard is down because as of yet, Tony's not given him a reason to have it up...

Relax folks... the time will come...

Heh heh... I'm agreeing with Themanofbat... will wonders never cease.

 

[Captivated]

But his abilities are outshined by spidermans in everyway.
Strenth-spiderman
agility-Spiderman
speed-spiderman
other miscellaneous powers-spiderman
The only thing Cap has over Spiderman is battle tactics and fighting tech.
And Spiderman has defeated plenty of villains with better fighting skills and strategy than him.

I thought the same thing...

I can see Spidey not having his heart in it though... and that CAN make a difference with him.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

Does any one have a preview description of ASM #535? I'll check Marvel.com to see what I can find.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

Okay here's what's up for #535:

From Marvel.Com-
THE STORY:
CIVIL WAR Tie-in
“THE WAR AT HOME”
Caught in the throes of the Civil War that’s ripping apart the super hero community, Spider-Man contemplates a move that will mean new friends and new foes. In a conflict of this magnitude, three is no middle ground -- Peter Parker’s move will cast him as either George Washington...or Benedict Arnold. Part 3 (of 6).
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

The cover is looking like this:

YES! Looks like the Iron Man/Spidey fight is on its way

 

[Biff Hardbody]

I wouldn't call it a whupping...

I would. Cap's three hits to Spidey's 0. Not to mention Spidey going "Uurgh" each time one landed. Then there's the whole last hit where Spidey said "I can't feel anything below my waist".

It wasn't a knockdown drag out fight, but for what it was, Cap wupped him. I say this as a Spider-Man fan. Do I think he should have been able to? I don't know, but Cap did own him in the hand to hand combat portion of the fight.

 

[stillanerd]

How can they not take sides? Somone has to win in the end. The story has to have a conclusion, so they have to pick a side to win.

That's a dumb statment from Marvel.

Precisely. Also, Marvel, by saying this, is trying to imply with that since both sides contain heroes and both sides believe they are right, it's all relative, even though, of course, one side will HAVE TO BE proven right at the end--otherwise, the whole series is utterly pointless (although some people think that it already is). Also, by saying "there's no right or wrong side" it implies that the heroes shouldn't be fighting each other. But why are they? It's because of the SHRA. Well, if something makes heroes fight each other, then it must be bad right? And that would mean, then, those who support registration are really in the wrong because they're fighting other heroes when they shouldn't have to be and causing chaos for the public, which ironically could cause more innocent people to die like the Riverbank Massacre (you know, kind of like the notion some critics of the war on terrorism say that combating terrorism creates more terrorists?)

BTW, back to this month's issue, somebody on CBR actually pointed out that Peter DID IN FACT tell Tony Stark about his spider-sense and how it reacts to danger in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #4.
EDIT: Correction. It was Hank Pymwho brought it up to Peter after he reacted to Tony touching him on the shoulder. Peter says it's just instinct, but Pym says, "This is related to your SPIDER-SENSE, correct?" and Peter confirms this--all while Tony Stark is standing right there. So, no he never brough it up, but still he did, in a sense, tell him.

So thanks to PAD, the whole idea that Iron Man is secretly montoring Peter in the suit and how his powers work is completely shot, and proof positive that Spider-Tool has suffered severe brain damage and memory loss. Another fine example of JMS not doing his homework and character inconsistancy brought to you by Marvel.

 

[Kool-Aid]

I would. Cap's three hits to Spidey's 0. Not to mention Spidey going "Uurgh" each time one landed. Then there's the whole last hit where Spidey said "I can't feel anything below my waist".

It wasn't a knockdown drag out fight, but for what it was, Cap wupped him. I say this as a Spider-Man fan. Do I think he should have been able to? I don't know, but Cap did own him in the hand to hand combat portion of the fight.

Wow, from what you say it must have been writen badly. I haven't read it yet, I will tomorrow. If Spidey wasn't really fighting with his heart in it then I'll except it a little. Millar wrote him right in the fight Civil War #3. What hell's JMS thinking? He writes him having all these stupid new powers and suit,, then forgets to use them. What happen to the Pete that even had a plan to beat the Hulk? Now JMS is going against his own continuity.

 

[spideylover89]

He used the mechanical legs....that was it.

 

[themansaid]

I though the issue was horrible. Spider-Man was way out of character and the fight with Captain America was dreadful. i don't know what is going on with Marvel but i can't believe marvel is willing to destroy a great character like Spider-Man just to try to justify a story that is getting more inconsistent as time goes by.

 

[Sloth7d]

I though the issue was horrible. Spider-Man was way out of character and the fight with Captain America was dreadful. i don't know what is going on with Marvel but i can't believe marvel is willing to destroy a great character like Spider-Man just to try to justify a story that is getting more inconsistent as time goes by.

I agree. Not just the fight with Cap, but the spidersense thing was dead off.
He clearly told Tony about it in FHSM#4.
Not to mention NA#5

 

[JackBauer]

just read it.

I find it incredible that any and every excuse they try to throw our way for Spidey joining the pro-Registration side is completely out of character.

this time it was the whole "this isn't a matter of right or wrong, moral or immoral. It's a matter of legal or illegal."

sorry to burst your bubble, Spidey, but all these years you've been Spider-Man? not exactly legal. and you never really worried about it before, have you?

you'd those nimrods at Marvel would actually think before they wrote. I know JMS meant well, but hell's filled with people with good intentions. Peter's words carry no weight whatsoever.

thumbs down. yet again.

 

[crd1682]

just read it.

I find it incredible that any and every excuse they try to throw our way for Spidey joining the pro-Registration side is completely out of character.

this time it was the whole "this isn't a matter of right or wrong, moral or immoral. It's a matter of legal or illegal."

sorry to burst your bubble, Spidey, but all these years you've been Spider-Man? not exactly legal. and you never really worried about it before, have you?

you'd those nimrods at Marvel would actually think before they wrote. I know JMS meant well, but hell's filled with people with good intentions. Peter's words carry no weight whatsoever.

thumbs down. yet again.

Yeah, basically.

These writers have dumbed Spidey down so he can join the pro-registration side and then when he joins the secret avengers, which EVERYBODY on these boards predicted, it is supposed to be some sort of shocking event. They must really think that Spidey fans are the dumbest people on the planet.

Oh, and I didn't know Cap had super strength and agility. Oh, wait, he doesn't. WTF??

 

[PhotoJones]

these past two issues were the first of amazing spider-man i've bought in a while.

i'm really digging the story, and peter's struggle.

plus, i've become a ron garney fanatic.

 

[themansaid]

Yeah, basically.

These writers have dumbed Spidey down so he can join the pro-registration side and then when he joins the secret avengers, which EVERYBODY on these boards predicted, it is supposed to be some sort of shocking event. They must really think that Spidey fans are the dumbest people on the planet.

Oh, and I didn't know Cap had super strength and agility. Oh, wait, he doesn't. WTF??

The writers do that because some of the fans let them get away with it. If we stop buying the book, see how fast the writers will change their tune.

 

[PhotoJones]

The writers do that because some of the fans let them get away with it. If we stop buying the book, see how fast the writers will change their tune.

yeah...i don't think that approach is going to work.

for every "purist, hardcore, classic" spidey fan dropping the book, there's like, 3 new readers picking it up because of civil war. me included.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

yeah...i don't think that approach is going to work.

for every "purist, hardcore, classic" spidey fan dropping the book, there's like, 3 new readers picking it up because of civil war. me included.

Yep. Basically.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Exactly... as I read the issue, Pete's heart was not in the battle... maybe against another hero, but certainly not against Cap. And the fact that he left the shield for Cap to retreive it would be a HUGE indication by Cap that he was right when thinking Pete's heart is not in the right place. And three blows by Cap is certainly not him "winning" the fight. The two had barely begun to battle.

And I like how Pete thinks to himself that he's finally achieved what he's always wanted... acceptance & respect from his peers, his loved ones, the authorities & by the public.... yet he wonders why it all feels so wrong.

I thought it was an excellent issue... again with characterization being spot-on.

Agreed. It looked to me like Peter was about to gain the upper-hand when Cap ran off, regardless....

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

yeah...i don't think that approach is going to work.

for every "purist, hardcore, classic" spidey fan dropping the book, there's like, 3 new readers picking it up because of civil war. me included.

Also; keep in mind that not EVERY "purist, hardcore, classic" Spidey fan has dropped the book...

(Begins to whistle, nonchalantly...)

 

[JackBauer]

I haven't dropped the book entirely... yet.

but I sure as hell ain't paying a dime for it.

 

[Sloth7d]

His heart wasn't in the fight, yet he was desperate enough to use those stupid arms to shed first blood?
Spiderman was getting his arse kicked. Plain and simple bad writing. Especially the spidersense thing with Ironman.