Comics Asm #536

[ragingdemon155]

damn, first double post ever...

arghhh....

 

[Sloth7d]

Eitherway, it looks like the REAL big fight will be in ASM#537.

 

[chris moore]

Spidey uses his natural ability to fire webs to blind Tony so he can line up a good punch - and some people think that's a sucker punch? That's like Cap not using his shield against an unarmed Ben Grimm.

 

[Sloth7d]

Eitherway, he socked him really good in CW without webbing.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Spidey uses his natural ability to fire webs to blind Tony so he can line up a good punch - and some people think that's a sucker punch? That's like Cap not using his shield against an unarmed Ben Grimm.

Exactly I don't really see how that is a sucker punch....and even if by some weird "sucker punch" standards it was.....it was a damn good sucker punch!

 

[Doc Destruction]

You guys have to stop making excuses for Marvel. How many comics have you read? How many movies have you seen, where a hero is facing incredible odds, yet the action, the fighting delivers.
Come on people, after all this build up between IM and SM are you really telling me this is the best they could do?
That this is an exciting fight?
One punch? and a sucker punch at that?
read this thread again. See the anticipation. then tell me if this crap delivers.
It never ceases to amaze me the lengths some people will go through, the lies they will tell themselves, just to follow their leaders.

The real problem at hand is, it's very hard to get excited over something that never really should have happened in the first place.

Spider-Man figured out he was on the wrong side? A DUH!!!!!!! REALLY? WOW, WHAT A SHOCKER!

If the writers were taking care of him all along, he never would have unmasked, chosen pro-reg and never become Iron Man's b*tch in the first place.

 

[SpideyInATree]

The real problem at hand is, it's very hard to get excited over something that never really should have happened in the first place.

Spider-Man figured out he was on the wrong side? A DUH!!!!!!! REALLY? WOW, WHAT A SHOCKER!

If the writers were taking care of him all along, he never would have unmasked, chosen pro-reg and never become Iron Man's b*tch in the first place.

If Spider-Man would have just went anti-registration immediately there wouldn't really have been much of a story there.

 

[Doc Destruction]

There would still be a Civil War, minus one gigantic character flub.

 

[SpideyInATree]

There would still be a Civil War, minus one gigantic character flub.

*shrugs* That's your opinion. I think it went just fine the way it went down, and now it's going to get even better with Spidey on the run.

 

[ragingdemon155]

*shrugs* That's your opinion. I think it went just fine the way it went down, and now it's going to get even better with Spidey on the run.

I do agree that things are going to get really good now with Spidey and his family on the run. That's big time drama and personally I'm really excited for it.

 

[Sloth7d]

I do agree that things are going to get really good now with Spidey and his family on the run. That's big time drama and personally I'm really excited for it.

It should have been like this from the beggining. Anti-reg Spiderman stories> Unmasked destined to fail in the long run stories...yeah.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Whaaa?

I'm a fan.

A pretty big fan, for that.

Sarcasm. Look at some of his other posts and you'll see what I mean soon enough.

 

[HoratioRome]

Spidey uses his natural ability to fire webs to blind Tony so he can line up a good punch - and some people think that's a sucker punch? That's like Cap not using his shield against an unarmed Ben Grimm.

man this is tedious,.let's see, Sm feigns being hurt, IM falls for it and approaches with his guard down.
SM uses his web to blind him and then punch him. Then quickly runs away.

and you're calling that a fight?

If I throw dirt in your eyes then punch you, then take off, didn't I just sucker punch you?
like a punk coward btw.

man you guys really need to read some good comics. The standard for fight writing has gone way down.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Standard???

Who's standard? Yours?

What more could Spider-man have done? He didn't want to fight. He wanted to get out of there. Seriously, what could fighting in that moment really have proven?

Did you want him to jump on top of Tony and start tearing him apart?

 

[chris moore]

Dirt being thrown in someone's eye - sure, thats a sucker punch. Webbing (one of your own natural abilities or powers) to the same effect on an opponent who can lift about 50tonnes (or something like that) - not a sucker punch.
If Tony used a flashpulse or something from his gauntlet to blind spidey, then that'd be fair cos its in Iron Man's personal powers arsenal.

Now, Tony smashing Pete through a wall to knock him off balance (end of ASM#535, not CW#5), then using a failsafe to shut him down without being given a chance at a fair fight? That's a little more of a sucker punch - just one that was set into motion months ago by Tony.

 

[Sloth7d]

Like I said, the true fight will be in Asm #537 and #538

 

[diespinne]

So......... why didn't Tony just try to deactivate Spidey's costume in Civil War #5 while they were still upstairs and the initial fighting started? Didn't he actually fire repulsor rays or whatever at him? Wouldn't it have made sense to go ahead and deactivate Spidey's costume then? I'm not saying the outcome would have been any different, but I think it would have been more logical for him to attempt to deactivate Spidey before having himself and SHIELD fire upon him.

 

[Dragon]

If Spider-Man would have just went anti-registration immediately there wouldn't really have been much of a story there.

Of course there would have been a story. and since he would have been in character, it might have been a good story.

What sucks about how things went down is that EVERYONE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I don't know about you, but I really gain little enjoyment from total predictability.

If Spidey had been written in character there would have ben the chance to really explore the idea of vigilantism vs. protection of the common good. Spidey could have done what he BELIEVED was right, instead of being presented as Stark's tool. At the same time, his methods and choices could have been brought into question, particularly by himself in light of the events of CW.

 

[SpideyInATree]

man this is tedious,.let's see, Sm feigns being hurt, IM falls for it and approaches with his guard down.
SM uses his web to blind him and then punch him. Then quickly runs away.

and you're calling that a fight?

If I throw dirt in your eyes then punch you, then take off, didn't I just sucker punch you?
like a punk coward btw.

man you guys really need to read some good comics. The standard for fight writing has gone way down.

So, you would have liked Spider-Man to prolong the fight in the middle of a busy New York street with hundreds of innocent people? And then have him and Iron Man cause all kinds of property damage, which they did cause some with their little squabble. So, basically all Spidey would have done is make the public more for the registration act.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Of course there would have been a story. and since he would have been in character, it might have been a good story.

What sucks about how things went down is that EVERYONE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I don't know about you, but I really gain little enjoyment from total predictability.

If Spidey had been written in character there would have ben the chance to really explore the idea of vigilantism vs. protection of the common good. Spidey could have done what he BELIEVED was right, instead of being presented as Stark's tool. At the same time, his methods and choices could have been brought into question, particularly by himself in light of the events of CW.

Well, that's your well rounded opinion. As I said, I liked things the way they went. There are places in there that I wish would have gone differently but I'm not going to get EXACTLY what I want. I enjoyed seeing Peter Parker and Tony Stark develop a relationship, despite it being built on false pretenses, and watching Peter Parker slowly see what was really going on with Tony Stark's plan. It was a really good story that saw Peter PLENTY in character.

Seems in this case you like apples, I like oranges, or vice versa.

 

[Miss Webb]

Actually, seeing IM's head trussed up like a christmas basket was pretty funny. Although, Spidey's rendering makes no sense. After the "Other" he was supposed to have bulked just a little, yet it seems like they continue to scale him down again. Soon he'll be looking like that balloon headed pencil freak from the JMS days.

Hmm, he ain't on the book anymore...

 

[stillanerd]

Well, that's your well rounded opinion. As I said, I liked things the way they went. There are places in there that I wish would have gone differently but I'm not going to get EXACTLY what I want. I enjoyed seeing Peter Parker and Tony Stark develop a relationship, despite it being built on false pretenses, and watching Peter Parker slowly see what was really going on with Tony Stark's plan. It was a really good story that saw Peter PLENTY in character.

Seems in this case you like apples, I like oranges, or vice versa.

I believe Dragon makes a pretty good point, SIAT, about just how predictable Spidey's role has been in Civil War thus far. Granted, not EVERYTHING went down the way some people thought, but here's a checklist off the top of my head:

*There was speculation that Spidey would switch back to his original costume (okay that's a given for superhero comics) around the same time he switched sides...the speculation proved correct.
*There was speculation that Spidey would gradually realize Iron Man was wrong which would promt him to rebel against his mentor and go over to the other side...the speculation proved correct.
*There was speculation that Spidey, having joined the registration side would publicly reveal his identity to the world...the speculation proved correct.
*There was speculation that after Spidey revealed his identity, events in his life would soon make him realize he made a horrible mistake...the speculation proved correct.
*There was speculation that J. Jonah Jameson would sue Spidey after learning he was Peter Parker and that he'd been duped all these years...the speculation proved correct.
*There was speculation that Iron Man had bugged the "Iron Spidey" suit and had a failsafe/shutoff device implanted in it that he'd activate via remote control...the speculation proved correct.
*There was speculation that Spidey and Iron Man would have a fight and that sometime during the fight, Iron Man would activate the failsafe and shut down the "Iron Spidey" suit a la what Bruce Wayne did to Terry McGuiness in Batman Beyond...the speculation proved correct.
*There was speculation that Spidey was going to be saved by the Punisher when he tried to flee from some villains...the speculation proved correct.
*There was speculation that Spidey, after leaving Iron Man, was going to become a fugative and that he would be that way after Civil War...looks as though the speculation was proved correct.

Sure, the exact details of what was going to happen nobody, except the writers, knew about, such as Spidey switching sides after seeing the Negative Zone gulag, his getting beat up to near death by two C-listers with a capital C, his managing to override the failsafe, etc. but the basic storyline a lot of people guessed well in advance. It wasn't all that long ago we were getting supporters of the unmasking saying that this opened up all kinds of story possibilites; however, if you coupled it with Civil War, there was only one storyline that could develop:

*Peter reveals his identity.
*Long time supporting cast members are shocked while the general public still either considers him a hero or a menace.
*Reactions from supporting cast members who didn't know his identity like Jonah, Flash, etc.
*All of his villains go after him, his family, friends, and colleagues making Spidey realize what a collossal mistake he made.
*Spidey quits being on Tony Stark's side.
*Becomes a fugative wanted by the feds, only now because everyone knows who he is, his life becomes that much harder (BTW, apparent spoiler for Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #14 [blackout]Peter is using the name "Ben Reilly" as his civilain identity while he's hiding from the law, which is something else people predicted that has come to pass[/blackout]
*A year from now, Marvel finds some way to make it so everyone forgets Peter Parker and Spider-Man are one and the same, thus pissing off everybody (of course this last part is merely speculation) .

Not necessarily a bad story, just a predictable one.

 

[ssj wolverine]

Sucker punch? Please. A sucker punch is when you blindside someone from behind. Tony stood toe to toe with Peter and got shalacked twice head on. It wasn't the complete ass kicking I was hoping for but this turned out better than I had feared which was Tony doing to Spidey like the ass whipping he gave Captain America.

 

[HoratioRome]

It's about freaking time Peter beat the **** out of Tony .

Guys I'm sorry but a sucker punch is when you hit someone who wasn't expecting it. it could be from the front, the back, the sides, whatever. Those who sucker punch often trick their oponents into putting their guard down so that they can "sucker" them into getting hit.
It is precisely the lowering of one's guard which makes it a "sucker" punch.
Now I realize some of you want to grab the most you can out of this but please don't delude yourselves into thinking this wasn't a sucker punch.

Look at the second panel. Is IM in a fight? is his guard down? Was he lured into dropping his guard (see first panel).
Whether SM uses a natural power or dirt he blinds an unsuspecting IM then quickly hits him.
Isn't that another form of sucker punching (unaware of a punch coming cause he can't see) and to further prove the trick of it all, did SM not run away after hitting him.
What does that tell you?
I could almost read IM's thoughts, " you better run you punk beatch".

Sorry guys, I love Spider-man, but this falls far short of what SM could and should have done.

 

[Kevin]

Oh my god!! this is totally the first time spidey has webbed someone's face and punched them!! UNTHINKABLE