Assassin's Creed IV

[James]

Yeah, the future stuff is always a snooze fest. I'm the same Pat, I speed through as quickly as possible so I can get back to the sword fighting.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Brotherhood did some good stuff with the out of Animus gameplay

 

[zenith16]

Yeah, the future stuff is always a snooze fest. I'm the same Pat, I speed through as quickly as possible so I can get back to the sword fighting.

In the end it still came down to them not knowing what to do there both game play wise and story wise they just dropped the ball. people gave them a chance cause they were Expecting hoping for some thing epic story wise, but some one at the top really made messed up there with story especially and now people don't care for the future stuff more so thank's to that chose. if they had cared to do equal work there as they did with the other where played as the past assassin's it wouldn't be that much of an issue.

But oh well.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

In the end it still came down to them not knowing what to do there both game play wise and story wise they just dropped the ball. people gave them a chance cause they were Expecting hoping for some thing epic story wise, but some one at the top really made messed up there with story especially and now people don't care for the future stuff more so thank's to that chose. if they had cared to do equal work there as they did with the other where played as the past assassin's it wouldn't be that much of an issue.

But oh well.

I dont think it would matter how well the present day stuff was handled. I remember when i first started following Assassins Creed i was so incredibly excited for a game that was going to feature sword to sword combat and take place in 1100's middle east. The minute the ideas of some type of sci fi element popped up was when my interest came down a notch. Now lucky for me that the stuff inside the animus was so fantastic that i could handle the sci fi stuff, but i think this series would of been far better off if they just focused on the Assassins vs Templars throughout history. All that end of the world and present day nonsense just wasnt needed.

 

[James]

I feel the same way as Pat. Even if the future stuff had been amazing gameplay wise, I'd still be wanting to get back to the swords and rooftops. The interconnecting story, the Templars VS Assassins, that could all have been told without the need for a bunch of Sci Fi mumbo jumbo. Like Zentih said, a little more care with the story, but in this case just scrap the future junk altogether and use that extra care to focus on purely on the past. The future stuff is the reason I've never actually finished an AC game. I've come close, but in most games it's the story that keeps me interested, wanting to find out what happens. With AC I have fun with the gameplay and eventually get bored of that a while after losing any desire to see the end of the story.

This is semi related, one thing that bugged the hell out of me in AC 3 is when you're running around in the future with a pair of knives. All your enemies have guns and you have a pair of small knives. It wouldn't have bothered me so much if there's wasn't a cut scene where one of your enemies actually comes right out and asks you what you're doing running around like a moron with knives when everyone else is using bullets? To my knowledge the question never got answered. All it ended up doing was enforcing the stupidity.

 

[Benstamania]

Agreed Pat, 100%

 

[Iceman]

You know what would have improved Skyrim massively? If it was a guy from New York who went into an animus to transfer his psyche into various alternative fantasy lives of great characters (virtual ancestors) through the history of a fantasy universe constructed in his mind (in dreams). And we flashed back to him eating a pack of crisps on his sofa & playing with his iPhone before we control him jumping around through various obstacles in his garden as he emulates the moves of the warriors he is learning from. We could do this for all games actually. Every character could be accessed through an animus.

 

[DareDemon]

I always enjoyed the modern day stuff.... Otherwise it'd be "then one day the Assassin-Templar War ended for no reason". Plus the modern day parts are incredibly short, it's not like anyone was stuck on them for hours.

If you guys are saying no modern day and no sci fi, do you mean no First Civilization and no Pieces of Eden along with that? Would you want a strictly "assassinate political leaders" game? If that were the case I'd feel as if the game lost a lot of its magic and it'd make the series much less interesting.

 

[zenith16]

I always enjoyed the modern day stuff.... Otherwise it'd be "then one day the Assassin-Templar War ended for no reason". Plus the modern day parts are incredibly short, it's not like anyone was stuck on them for hours.

If you guys are saying no modern day and no sci fi, do you mean no First Civilization and no Pieces of Eden along with that? Would you want a strictly "assassinate political leaders" game? If that were the case I'd feel as if the game lost a lot of its magic and it'd make the series much less interesting.

I didn't say much last night cause I was tired and I didn't want it to head to an unwanted argument. the Sci stuff just reminded of what was done with Stargate the TV series those people aren't really aliens at all they're just higher level advanced humans. They just didn't write it as well as the people made the tale of the "Ancient's " (the advanced humans) in the Star gate universe well at all , when you compare the two.


But they should have had the modern day or future stuff be on the route as when they did it with/when they would look to the past events or have us be the main character in past with the assassin's an ancestors and the their war with the Templars.

And to me they still could have s had fights on roof tops and other stuff too as I said it's about caring about the overall story and overall game play. Some one at the top just stopped caring.


As to what James said with that fact you weren't equipped with a gun that just strengthens what I said point wise. and that was very stupid to have happen there.

Any way when I said "oh well" it's also me saying it happen they screwed up and they moved on not much else can be done there. They made up their minds on what they want to do and that's to deal mostly in the events of the past .


If they were gonna be lazy about that though they shouldn't have put it in the first place. I just hope that writer that's now on the Arkham series as a replacement for Dini isn't responsible for that but I don't think he was to blame for all this ether. I hope he does better in the Arkham series.

any way here's what new today.

Ubisoft Has Planned The End of Assassin's Creed

5 hours 49 minutes ago - Ubisoft has revealed it does have an end in mind for the Assassin's Creed series, and it knows how it wants it to unfold. Read More »


source:IGN

 

[ProjectPat2280]

If you guys are saying no modern day and no sci fi, do you mean no First Civilization and no Pieces of Eden along with that? Would you want a strictly "assassinate political leaders" game? If that were the case I'd feel as if the game lost a lot of its magic and it'd make the series much less interesting.

Thats what i rather see. History is interesting enough that present day doomsday stuff isnt needed. Ubisoft has been creative enough using historical events and altering them slightly that the pieces of eden and doomsday stuff just aren't necessary. Events like the Crusades, American Revolution and the peak of Piracy are ALL far more fascinating on their own than the sci fi elements Ubi created.

 

[DareDemon]

I dunno, I like the universe they've made. Im an Assassins Creed fan. It'd feel like the Assassins are just bad guys (more so than already) going around killing world leaders because of a teenage fight the power dream if there were no actual reasons (such as mind enslavement) to fight a war. Yeah, there are injustices throughout history but without PoE/First Civ tying them all together I don't see how there would be "sides" or whatever.

I agree that a free roaming history simulator would be cool, but the things you guys don't like about Assassin's Creed would make it not Assassins Creed, or even similar. It's like saying "I love the Mario games, but he should use guns and get rid of fire flowers and Bowser sucks, how about he fights negative Italian stereotypes?" The series had sci fi, history, and conspiracy in it from the begining. How did you guys (presumably) even become fans of the game? How did you not know what you were getting into?

Why not just wish for a completely different franchise?



Also, I want to point out Desmond didnt always use a gun (even though he totally did at the very end) because he wasn't trained in them like he was with various blades. When he did use the gun, he shot one bullet at a time like it was a flintlock. Did he have to do that? No. Did it hurt not doing it? Also no. He was proficient enough in blades to not have to rely on guns (which would hypothetically run out of bullets, even if in gameplay it doesn't I don't think in-universe he had an infinite magazine).

 

[James]

I always enjoyed the modern day stuff.... Otherwise it'd be "then one day the Assassin-Templar War ended for no reason". Plus the modern day parts are incredibly short, it's not like anyone was stuck on them for hours.

If you guys are saying no modern day and no sci fi, do you mean no First Civilization and no Pieces of Eden along with that? Would you want a strictly "assassinate political leaders" game? If that were the case I'd feel as if the game lost a lot of its magic and it'd make the series much less interesting.

Yup!

I'm afraid I feel the opposite. If they took away the sci-fi elements, the game would be greatly improved, I think.

 

[dude stannis]

You guys all suck. The modern day stuff was fun and intriguing for me. But I really tend to get immersed in the stories for the AC games.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Wanting to get rid of the present day storyline and sci-fi is like removing the insane storylines and stealth from Metal Gear Solid. You end up with a completely different series. Sure, it could be a good series, but it wouldn't be in any way the series you are supposed to be fans of.

 

[DareDemon]

Wanting to get rid of the present day storyline and sci-fi is like removing the insane storylines and stealth from Metal Gear Solid. You end up with a completely different series. Sure, it could be a good series, but it wouldn't be in any way the series you are supposed to be fans of.

 

[dude stannis]

Thirded!

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'm on the "anti present day" side. I love history, so going to all of these historical time periods that are rarely visited in gaming is one of the main reasons I love the series so much. I could care less about the present day stuff.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Wanting to get rid of the present day storyline and sci-fi is like removing the insane storylines and stealth from Metal Gear Solid. You end up with a completely different series. Sure, it could be a good series, but it wouldn't be in any way the series you are supposed to be fans of.

No, thats a horrible analogy. The gameplay wouldnt change. That has nothing to do with the present day elements. The core gameplay of AC is its fighting system(built on the use of simplistic weapons, ie swords, one shot pistols/rifles etc) and its free running. Those dont need to be removed if the present day elements were to be dropped. Removing the present day elements wouldnt alter that much about the in animus content, the content that players spend far more time with. You could probably drop ALL present day elements from this game, with no alterations and still have a coherent title.

Id be all for them keeping certain 'mystical' elements such as the pieces of eden, but completely removing all aspects of the animus, or abstergo or anything to do with a time period not of the current story. I mean one of my fav episodes of DaVincis Demons(which reminds me a ton of this series) was the episode with Vlad the Impaler/Dracula. Loved the whole 'is he, isnt he an immortal creature' aspect the episode played with. So id be fine with a little bit of that in this series. However the full blown world ending stuff is just a snooze fest when compared with the historical fiction Ubi creates for the meat of the game

 

[dude stannis]

That being said, I really like the supposed approach they're taking with Blag Flags, plenty of modern day side missions and stuff, that you can skip and just play the main campaign. Everyone gets their cake and eats it too. I just wish the modern day protagonist was an actual character and not "You".

 

[James]

You can skip the modern day stuff in Black Flag? I hadn't heard that. If it's true, that's wonderful.

Wanting to get rid of the present day storyline and sci-fi is like removing the insane storylines and stealth from Metal Gear Solid. You end up with a completely different series. Sure, it could be a good series, but it wouldn't be in any way the series you are supposed to be fans of.

But that's the thing, I'm not a fan...of the present day stuff. The stuff I am a fan of is the segments in the past. Semantics to be sure, but there you have it. I'm still a fan of the series, but not every element of it.

 

[dude stannis]

Yeah, lets not go demeaning people's love for the property here. The best thing about art is that different people can take different things from it.

 

[Iceman]

Wanting to get rid of the present day storyline and sci-fi is like removing the insane storylines and stealth from Metal Gear Solid. You end up with a completely different series. Sure, it could be a good series, but it wouldn't be in any way the series you are supposed to be fans of.

Completely different & not in any way the series we're a fan of? Surely you mean only partially different and in many ways the same series. It's quite easy to be a fan of Assassin's Creed and not a fan of the present day parts & from the people I've spoken to about the games it seems to be a commonly held view for what that's worth. And you can be a big fan of a product without being a fan of all its elements.

I also don't see the present day stuff as being of the same quality as the historical parts. If it had been of The Matrix quality I'd probably be fine with it even though it's not what I'm looking for from an Assassin's Creed type game. You'd struggle to make a decent game using the gameplay and other elements from the present day but the historical parts would work pretty much the same if they were separated out into their own games as they can easily hold their own.

 

[jacobed]

They said that the ocean will take around 30 minutes to sail across and the campaign will be about 15-20 hours

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, that ocean sounds huge!

Btw for anyone interested the current gen & next gen versions of this game (& other dual releases) will have separate achievements/trophies.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Wanting to get rid of the present day storyline and sci-fi is like removing the insane storylines and stealth from Metal Gear Solid. You end up with a completely different series. Sure, it could be a good series, but it wouldn't be in any way the series you are supposed to be fans of.

No, thats a horrible analogy.

Skipping the rest, I was about to say I'd side with Llama on this one, but they did show what could make natural progression from Syria to Italy in AC2
I didn't play AC3, not sure how fond I will be of how they move from Italy to America if the Animus is removed, but I like the concept of the Animus