Infinity War Avengers: Infinity War SPOILER User Review Thread - Part 1

[Nathan]

I still don't think he magically survived. He could have killed everyone without a sweat. He could have killed Wanda when he backhanded her, Warmachine when he crushed his armor, he made Bruce phase through him and embedded the armor in stone. So he knocked Steve enough to get him out of his way. He could have killed them all then and there, but decided to leave their fates to the stones.

 

[legendkillin]

I still don't think he magically survived. He could have killed everyone without a sweat. He could have killed Wanda when he backhanded her, Warmachine when he crushed his armor, he made Bruce phase through him and embedded the armor in stone. So he knocked Steve enough to get him out of his way. He could have killed them all then and there, but decided to leave their fates to the stones.

Thanos was not out to kill he was focused on the mission. His mission was not to physically kill anyone unless a last resort.

 

[Timebomb]

This is actually not true. The wake of devastation from the destruction of the Mind Stone is also rolled back. Watch it again.

Actually that is only the destruction of Vision and mind stone that is being reversed. It's the only thing that is being reversed. the power given off by the destruction is reversed and thus bringing Vision back to life.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Actually that is only the destruction of Vision and mind stone that is being reversed. It's the only thing that is being reversed. the power given off by the destruction is reversed and thus bringing Vision back to life.

The trees around them - everything goes back to the way it was before.

I still don't think he magically survived. He could have killed everyone without a sweat. He could have killed Wanda when he backhanded her, Warmachine when he crushed his armor, he made Bruce phase through him and embedded the armor in stone. So he knocked Steve enough to get him out of his way. He could have killed them all then and there, but decided to leave their fates to the stones.

Yeah but no one resisted Thanos like Cap. And no one got that heavy of a hit.

Thanos was not out to kill he was focused on the mission. His mission was not to physically kill anyone unless a last resort.

Nice guy that Thanos.

 

[InCali]

I'm expecting a lot of disagreement here. It's fine.

Not sure about the Dr. Strange thing. Maybe you're right. It wasn't a big deal, I just felt it was a bit of a cop-out to save Iron Man.

I'm disappointed that none of the main Avengers were killed. I was expecting a major shock. Before I watched the movie I heard some people saying there were some heartbreaking moments. I didn't feel any, unless you really believe Spider-Man is not coming back. That's why I say the stakes weren't high to me.

Half of the universe was wiped out and I just don't buy it. By "killing" Spider-Man they made it evident that this is just something temporary. They'll reverse the whole thing and that's it. Killing a major Avenger would have made the difference.

Black Panther, Dr Strange, Wanda, Winter Soldier are gone for now, but, of course, they'll be back. By this logic A:IW couldn't possibly have high stakes by the very existence of the stones.

I suspect just about everyone to be back including the ones killed by Thanos and his compatriots. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if they brought back Quicksilver....and I kind of hope they do.

I'm quite sure that Strange wasn't trying to just save IM; he was trying to save everyone and that was the only way to do it.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Listen you guys can think what you want. LOL

Personally I had a problem with it when I saw the film. I don't think Cap walks away from that punch (and maybe that riles up some Cap lovers) but the time reversal thought made it seem more plausible and cooler to me from a plot perspective. But hey I'll wait and see what the Russos and gang have to say about it when the commentary track hits.

 

[InCali]

The trees around them - everything goes back to the way it was before.



Yeah but no one resisted Thanos like Cap. And no one got that heavy of a hit.



Nice guy that Thanos.

True. Just ask Loki. LOL.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

True. Just ask Loki. LOL.

Haha exactly.

 

[Nathan]

Yeah but no one resisted Thanos like Cap. And no one got that heavy of a hit.

Had he put any serious amount of strength into that punch, he would have probably knocked him through a tree. And to me it didn't even seem that heavy. It was a clean knock out punch. That whole scenario seems no different from comics and cartoons, where you have characters that can crumble mountains, yet only knock weaker characters out, instead of taking their heads clean off, with a good punch.

 

[legendkillin]

I thought his punch on BP was harder than the Cap hit. Also he beat the heck out of Stark even shot him with the blast from power gem.
I don't think this new nanotech is stronger than a super soldier.

 

[Darkmania]

Great movie, funny, great pacing, high stakes.

That being said, the ending....it was weird but I thought it worked great while I watching the movie, however afterwards it seems so over the top. I mean most, if not all of the folks who died will be back.

I hope it is smokescreen in that there will be some real deaths in the next Avengers movie.

 

[skyler]

 

[Reverse_Flash]

Black Panther, Dr Strange, Wanda, Winter Soldier are gone for now, but, of course, they'll be back. By this logic A:IW couldn't possibly have high stakes by the very existence of the stones.

I suspect just about everyone to be back including the ones killed by Thanos and his compatriots. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if they brought back Quicksilver....and I kind of hope they do.

I'm quite sure that Strange wasn't trying to just save IM; he was trying to save everyone and that was the only way to do it.

There could be high stakes if we knew Marvel was willing to kill some of their main Avengers, but so far it's evident they're not.

About Dr. Strange, it's all speculation at this point. We won't know until the next movie comes out. Either way, what I disliked was again the fact that a main Avenger didn't get killed for whatever reason.

 

[parkerpete]

There could be high stakes if we knew Marvel was willing to kill some of their main Avengers, but so far it's evident they're not.

About Dr. Strange, it's all speculation at this point. We won't know until the next movie comes out. Either way, what I disliked was again the fact that a main Avenger didn't get killed for whatever reason.

This movie was really only to ESTABLISH the stakes. Of course the ‘snap’ deaths will be undone, but a main Avenger is going to die in the process. At least one. If that doesn’t happen, I’ll agree with you about the lack of stakes.

 

[InCali]

There could be high stakes if we knew Marvel was willing to kill some of their main Avengers, but so far it's evident they're not.

About Dr. Strange, it's all speculation at this point. We won't know until the next movie comes out. Either way, what I disliked was again the fact that a main Avenger didn't get killed for whatever reason.

And I don't think you need to kill people off to have a well written, dramatic, well done, and compelling movie.

I think the Strange bit is beyond speculation. He KNEW there was only 1 way to defeat Thanos and said "It was the only way". Some can call it speculation, but it's the only thing that makes any sense whatsoever. Otherwise that whole scene is irrelevant. Plus, we know Thanos will end up losing and if there was only one way to beat him, then......I'm reverse engineering this, but nothing else makes sense unless Strange was just wrong or decided to have half of the universe die off to save Tony.....

 

[Reverse_Flash]

This movie was really only to ESTABLISH the stakes. Of course the ‘snap’ deaths will be undone, but a main Avenger is going to die in the process. At least one. If that doesn’t happen, I’ll agree with you about the lack of stakes.

I disagree. I think they tried to make the stakes very high in this movie and capitalize with the finger snap thing. Thanos wiping out half of the universe was the thing to avoid and it happened. Problem is that it was not believable.

Sure, a main Avenger might die in the next film, but I'm not talking about the next film.

 

[Reverse_Flash]

And I don't think you need to kill people off to have a well written, dramatic, well done, and compelling movie.

I think the Strange bit is beyond speculation. He KNEW there was only 1 way to defeat Thanos and said "It was the only way". Some can call it speculation, but it's the only thing that makes any sense whatsoever. Otherwise that whole scene is irrelevant. Plus, we know Thanos will end up losing and if there was only one way to beat him, then......I'm reverse engineering this, but nothing else makes sense unless Strange was just wrong or decided to have half of the universe die off to save Tony.....

I don't think so either. Like I said in my review, Civil War felt a lot more dramatic to me, and no Avenger died. But it's coming to a point in which we aren't seeing any real permanent consequences when it comes to the main Avengers, and imo it's getting old.

Yeah, I'm not denying that could be the case with Dr. Strange. We'll see. One thing is for sure: If filmmakers wanted to kill Tony, they would have.

 

[Flemm]

Thanos wiping out half of the universe was the thing to avoid and it happened. Problem is that it was not believable.

You mean that the deaths were not realistic? Or not impactful, emotionally?

I thought that the disappearances were pretty devastating, tbh.

I was expecting the plot point, of course, but I could still feel the disarray and shock of the surviving characters, and especially the poignant moment with Spider-Man.

 

[Reverse_Flash]

You mean that the deaths were not realistic? Or not impactful, emotionally?

I thought that the disappearances were pretty devastating, tbh.

I was expecting the plot point, of course, but I could still feel the disarray and shock of the surviving characters, and especially the poignant moment with Spider-Man.

Not impactful since it's obvious they're coming back. Once I saw Black Panther and Spider-Man desintegrating I was like, "yeah, cool story. See you in the next movie".

If Iron Man had been killed by Thanos, that would have been impactful. I think a movie this big needed something shocking like that.

 

[Flemm]

Not impactful since it's obvious they're coming back. Once I saw Black Panther and Spider-Man desintegrating I was like, "yeah, cool story. See you in the next movie".

If Iron Man had been killed by Thanos, that would have been impactful. I think a movie this big needed something shocking like that.

Fair enough. I will say that I disagree.

I'm not in the "somebody important has to die for it to matter" camp.

That can be a predictable and formulaic device, like any other.

I do think it's likely that the torch-passing in the next movie will involve a couple of deaths on the part of the core team, but I don't see it as a requirement either.

 

[Premiersole]

So I've seen this movie now 3 times (Thursday first showing, Friday and Sunday) and it definitely holds up for me! I know most of us have been waiting years for this since Thanos was first teased... but I've been waiting for this since I was a kid reading comic books in the early to mid 90's. I still have the Infinity Gauntlet comics from when I was a kid and it's one of my favorite storylines. Plus, I'm a huge Thanos fan. Thanos, along with Apocalypse, are my favorite comic book villains. Anyways, my initial reaction was the same as a lot of you guys here. Jaw literally dropped not able to process everything immediately. I honestly don't think they could've made the movie any better than they did. A lot of things could've gone wrong but the stars aligned and they ****in' pulled it off. Marvel did it!

I'll touch on some things that I've read in this thread and give my point of view and opinion...

I haven’t seen anyone bring this up but I thought it was a really nice touch to have the corresponding stone(s) that was being used light up and glow on the gauntlet. If I remember correctly, on Titan there was a sequence where Thanos and Dr. Strange are engaging and Thanos uses one stone followed by another… it instantly reminded me of a comic book panel come to life for some reason. It was awesome!

CGI: They did an excellent job with everything. From Thanos, to The Black Order, to the planets and the gauntlet effects. There were only 3 shots I immediately caught my first time watching and didn't find any others during my second or third. The closeup or Corvus Glaive when he first got impaled was really weird to me. His facial expression looked goofy and it didn't get better the next two times I saw it. The shot in Wakanda with Black Widow and the background and of course Bruce Banner's head in the Hulkbuster.

Hulk vs. Thanos: I’m a huge Hulk fan and it was disappointing seeing him get wrecked like that. However, I think it was necessary to not only the story being told, but also to Bruce’s arc. Remember, the Russo brothers said these movies (Thor Ragnarok, Infinity War and Avengers 4) would be a trilogy of sorts for him. I’m confident that his evolution will be on display and he’ll have another crack at Thanos in Avengers 4. Here’s my view regarding Hulk not cooperating with Bruce… like other’s have mentioned before, Hulk is essentially a child (mentally of course). He’s stubborn and possibly scared. He’s never been beaten like that before. I’m sure Bruce and Hulk will work it out for the next film. I’m hoping that in the final battle in Avengers 4, Hulk goes full on WWH (obviously not exactly like in the comics but just enough to give him the edge needed) on Thanos. The final battle with Onslaught comes to mind and I think would work well in this story. Bruce let’s Hulk take over and rages out of control just pounding away. This would give the other heroes the distraction needed and a window for the final blow. Just wishful thinking on my part lol.

To those saying Hulk lost due to the Power Stone, that’s incorrect. The Power Stone is never lit during their fight. Anytime during the movie that the stones were used they would light up and glow. Thanos beat him fair and square, no Power Stone required.

Deaths not meaning anything: I completely disagree with the people saying the deaths after the snap don't matter because the characters will return some how. People are focusing too much on the destination and not the journey. If they return or not doesn't take away from seeing it happen on screen. Seeing Okoye's face when Black Panther disappears, Captain America not knowing what the **** is going on with Bucky, Peter pleading with Tony that he doesn't wanna go and saying I'm sorry. That's some heavy **** and if you're so caught up with "you're fine, Marvel is making too much money so you're definitely coming back" line of thinking then I don't know what to tell you... you must be the life of the party and I would hate to watch movies with you. I guess all movies are no longer believable 'cause the good guy always wins. I know Spider-Man has a sequel coming out after Avengers 4. But the moment he was disappearing during the film I wasn't thinking about that... I immediately started thinking about how much he looks up to Tony and even tho Tony would never admit it, he looks at Peter kinda like a son. **** was heartbreaking.

Part 1 and Part 2: Not sure why people keep calling this a Part 1 movie. The Russo brothers already explained why it’s no longer a Part 1 and instead its own movie. For the past few months, they’ve been saying this was Thanos’ movie and that it was more of a heist type film. For all intents and purposes, this is an Avengers movie by name only. But they can’t market a Thanos movie… well I’m sure they could, but it wouldn’t have the same marketing cache as an Avengers movie would. The plot of the story is Thanos quest for the stones and to erase half of all life in the universe to bring balance. He gets each stone one by one, there’s character development and logical reasoning for his quest is given and it’s believable. It ends with him fulfilling his destiny and a final shot of him smiling into the sunrise/sunset (don’t quite remember which word he used). His quest and the movie is now over. This is not a Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows Part 1 and 2 situation where the movie is literally cut in half due to the sheer length of the film. Does this movie progress the story within the universe and have lasting effects and repercussions? Yes, it does. But it’s not a Part 1 just like The Avengers isn’t a Part 1 to Age of Ultron. If that were the case, then we’d be on Part 19 since all the movies are interconnected in some way or fashion. I bet the next movie will have a different tone and feel and possibly pacing as well. I doubt you would be able to watch both films back to back and say it's one film cut in two like Deathly Hollows was.

Soul Stone Scene: This worked for me on so many levels. Visually, it looked amazing. The dialogue between Thanos and Gamora was good too. When she realized that he does love her and is about to sacrifice her... damn. Then it went slow motion while he pulled her towards the edge. Not much else to say aside from it was a nice touch to have Red Skull come back.

The Snap: I can't believe they did it... I know we've all been speculating that they would end it with the snap but goddamn they actually did it and pulled it off. All the death scenes worked for me but the standout and gut wrenching one was Peter. We were not prepared and I'm not gonna lie, I shed a tear. Him pleading with Tony was heartbreaking man.

The Black Order: I think they served their purpose. Ebony Maw was the clear standout but they all worked for me story wise. They definitely looked badass though.

Titan Battle Scene: This looked like it was literally out of a comic book. Thanos threw a ****in' moon at them! Quite possibly my favorite fight scene in a comic book movie.

Interactions: Not much to be said other than they all worked for me. This is what we all wanted and they delivered with all the quips and jokes. Standouts were Tony, Strange and Peter. Thor and the Guardians but more so Thor and Rocket. Their quiet scene in the pod was so well made.

Fan Reactions: Man opening night people were hyped! Everything got quiet real quick during the opening scene... people were in disbelief how Thanos manhandled Hulk and then killing Loki. Everyone laughed for just about all the jokes. Standouts were the Drax standing still, Thor calling Rocket sweet rabbit, Peter saying "oh we're using our made up names" but they all went over well with my audience. During the death sequence there were audible gasps and a very somber and silent room when the credits started to roll. I could tell the people around could not believe the movie was over.

Other comments:

God Thor with Stormbreaker is OP lol. His entrance in Wakanda and the "Where is Thanos" line was awesome.

Thor's side quest worked for me even tho it felt a tad bit long but it was necessary to show why the hammer is important and how it's made.

I will miss Loki... his death scene was gruesome by Marvel standards.

Like many others, I think anyone pre snap is dead and not coming back... although with Gamora they can use some kind of Soulverse or Soul Reality scenario where she's trapped inside and not actually dead. Loki won't come back.

Thanos playing the dad role and testing Peter on whether he would keep his word with Gamora was a really nice touch.

This definitely tops my list of favorite MCU movie and comic book movie... quite possibly any summer blockbuster for that matter. I've been to a lot of midnight screenings (Star Wars, MCU, Harry Potter, etc.) but I have never felt so much hype for a movie like I did before watching this one. The only other comparable moment during a movie where I felt the same type of awe was when I first watch Jurassic Park as a kid in the movie theater. The first time I saw the brachiosaurus and then the T-Rex is the only comparable moment for me with this movie and more specifically the Snap sequence.

10/10 for me and I will be watching at least 2 more times! Can't wait for the 4K Blu-ray!

Damn, I wrote a lot lol I'll stop now...

 

[parkerpete]

I disagree. I think they tried to make the stakes very high in this movie and capitalize with the finger snap thing. Thanos wiping out half of the universe was the thing to avoid and it happened. Problem is that it was not believable.

Sure, a main Avenger might die in the next film, but I'm not talking about the next film.

Here's the problem: I though a lot of what happens in IW was emotionally effective, but a lot of it depends on the next movie. Because this is clearly a Part 1 that is leading into a definitive ending for some of the main Avengers in A4. Death, retirement, who knows.

I'm absolutely sure that Strange gave up the time stone because he glimpsed the only timeline where Thanos could be defeated. Am I right? We won't know until A4. If I'm wrong and Strange really valued Tony's life over the time stone, that's a huge problem with IW. But I won't REALLY know until A4.

Yes, the snap deaths will be undone. Will any of the others be? Don't know. I can say that the deaths in this movie were staged in such a way that even though I expected them, they worked emotionally in the moment for me. Now, if everyone is brought back and the status quo is refreshed in A4 without major, permanent sacrifices, then I'll feel less forgiving about reversing the deaths in A4.

Both of us are to some extent judging IW on what we expect to happen in A4. If A4 disappoints, then yeah it'll impact how I feel about IW. But so far I feel invested in the characters and I felt something for what they went through, and excited to see the resolution.

Good storytelling is when a filmmaker makes me care about what happens even if I fundamentally know what's likely to occur. I cared about Wanda and Vision, and I cared about Peter even though I know he's too popular and lucrative to die. Just like I believe Chris Evans is a 100-year old Super-Soldier even though I fundamentally know that he's just an actor from Boston.

 

[Dark Raven]

They really needed Ant-Man in this movie. He could've actually shrunk Thanos if he had been on Titan with the Avengers and the Guardians. Then if he just shrunk Thanos but not the gauntlet, they would've gotten it off him easily.

And he could still shrink Thanos in Avengers 4 and let him continue shrinking into the quantum realm and into infinity until he might not even exist anymore.

And even if he is shrunk down but not to the quantum realm, since he doesn't have an Ant-Man helmet, he won't be able to breathe regular molecules of air. And he would also be a more manageable size than being 9 ft.

I hope Ant-Man uses tactics like that instead of trying to beat him by growing big and taking him on that way.

 

[samsnee]

I was thinking opposite. Go ant size and crawl up his nose, then go Giant Man.

 

[legendkillin]

They really needed Ant-Man in this movie. He could've actually shrunk Thanos if he had been on Titan with the Avengers and the Guardians. Then if he just shrunk Thanos but not the gauntlet, they would've gotten it off him easily.

And he could still shrink Thanos in Avengers 4 and let him continue shrinking into the quantum realm and into infinity until he might not even exist anymore.

And even if he is shrunk down but not to the quantum realm, since he doesn't have an Ant-Man helmet, he won't be able to breathe regular molecules of air. And he would also be a more manageable size than being 9 ft.

I hope Ant-Man uses tactics like that instead of trying to beat him by growing big and taking him on that way.

I have a feeling the gems can negate some of those tactics. I do think that when Ant-Man shrinks he would have been able to help take the gauntlet or be involved. I wonder if shrinking Thanos into the quantum realm will happen so they can fight him there.