Dark Raven
It's not about what you deserve...
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Eh, retracted. I misread something during SXSW or something...sorry.
Somehow that doesn't surprise me.
Eh, retracted. I misread something during SXSW or something...sorry.
2:15 is a long time.
No, it isn't.
For an origin story like Cap & Thor, yes.
For a global invasion movie with 7 leads, its miles short.
I say the above statement with extreme prejudice now that I know Whedon's original cut was 3 hours.
Leterrier and Norton's cut was about 171 minutes and look what they did to that.
The extended cut of Return of The King was about about 4 hours fifteen minutes long. I don't think the 3 hour 10 minute cut killed the movie.
Saying the movie has seven leads is a gross overstatement.
Of course, you say this without knowing what Whedon cut out and how vital that footage was to the story and how those scenes worked with the whole movie in context.
Sigh.
You don't shoot coverage just to throw it away. 'nuff said.
Everything you shoot is storyboarded. Each storyboard is an important shot you need to tell your story. As you go along, you mark off the boards you've shot. That's the production process.
You don't shoot things to later on not use them. That would be wasting money.
This isn't The Tree of Life where Malick wasn't on a schedule and could just shoot 6 hours of HD for the hell of it.
Whedon had a screenplay and plates.
You don't shoot coverage just to throw it away. 'nuff said.
And yet it happens all the time.
Practically every movie has deleted scenes, or stuff and moments and lines that got cut out of scenes. Why would The Avengers be any different?
Whedon isn't going to leave a scene in if it's not needed in the final cut. It doesn't matter how much time he spent shooting it or how much money he spent on the shot, or how many hours was spent storyboarding it. If he doesn't think it works in the final cut of the movie, out it goes. Period.
I mean, do you think they shoot those deleted scenes that are on DVDs just for the DVDs? Of course not. They were shot because they were originally intended to be in the movie, and they get cut for many different reasons. It happens all the goddamn time. It's part of the process and always has been, since the beginning of cinema. It's not a new concept.
So what else you got?
Because it's a global invasion movie with seven leads.
For one thing, do we know it's even a GLOBAL invasion movie yet?
I don't think we've seen evidence yet that Loki's forces have invaded or started taking over the rest of the world. Or if we do it will probably be a small aside. While the movie jumps around some countries, it looks like the main invasion force is focused on New York.
You do realize that most great films don't have deleted scenes?
Did that ever cross your mind?
You do realize that most great films don't have deleted scenes?
Did that ever cross your mind?
That last paragraph goes to show that you watch wayyyyy too many Hollywood popcorn flicks & have basically become accustomed to the studio obsession with shortening the length of films in an effort to fit in more screenings per day.
Most fully realized visions have little to nothing to be thrown away.
If you don't want it, it shouldn't be shot.
The creative process begins with a concept that usually lands on a short outline. Maybe 10 pages long at best. From there you craft a screenplay. That screenplay gets polished at least 3 to 4 times before you actually decide to shoot it. When you do go into pre-pro you go over that script one more time just to make sure there's nothing in there you don't want because now is the time to remove it (and save some extra cash). Then you shoot your film, could be 50 days, could be 30, but in the end you make sure to capture every scene on that screenplay so your story won't feel incomplete. Every scene has dozens of storyboards to capture specific beats and moments. Again, you check those off as you go along.
You don't shoot deleted scenes so they can later be deleted scenes.
You don't waste time and money.
Most final cuts are only 10-15 minutes shorter than initial cuts. Not 45 minutes shorter. That's a heavy chunk of coverage.
Well he doesn't START per se in New York. We know he's in Germany and he's in where ever the Cube is being researched. But the main invasion it looks like and I think it will start and end in New York. Could be wrong though.
Exactly, Loki will start in New York and get beaten in New York, it's almost a guarantee The Avengers will prevent him from getting any further.
7 leads? Lol, four leads and three supporting. Coulson and Hill will have a chance to shine at some point but that's it. The big four have had solo films so we know them, we know Widow and we know Coulson and Fury. So it's just Hill and Hawkeye (his part in Thor didn't establish enough) to get acquainted with. Once that's done, it's fight time.
If you need 3 hours for this sort of film then you are an incompetent screenwriter and director.
Stuff is shot with the intention of it being used...but if it fails to progress the story within the context of the film then it has to be cut.
You do realize that most great films don't have deleted scenes?
Where did you pull this rabbit out of?
Did that ever cross your mind?
That last paragraph goes to show that you watch wayyyyy too many Hollywood popcorn flicks & have basically become accustomed to the studio obsession with shortening the length of films in an effort to fit in more screenings per day.
Most fully realized visions have little to nothing to be thrown away.
If you don't want it, it shouldn't be shot.
The creative process begins with a concept that usually lands on a short outline. Maybe 10 pages long at best. From there you craft a screenplay. That screenplay gets polished at least 3 to 4 times before you actually decide to shoot it. When you do go into pre-pro you go over that script one more time just to make sure there's nothing in there you don't want because now is the time to remove it (and save some extra cash). Then you shoot your film, could be 50 days, could be 30, but in the end you make sure to capture every scene on that screenplay so your story won't feel incomplete. Every scene has dozens of storyboards to capture specific beats and moments. Again, you check those off as you go along.
You don't shoot deleted scenes so they can later be deleted scenes.
Most final cuts are only 10-15 minutes shorter than initial cuts. Not 45 minutes shorter. That's a heavy chunk of coverage.
In other words, there's no need for any characterization, exposition or further exploration of the crisis or the individual characters' journeys.
"Its popcorn time! Let's fight, win and go home."
So Whedon's incompetent for conceiving a 3 hour movie? Right.
I guess Coppola's an absolute moron for making Godfather II a 200 minute film considering that all the characters were already established in the film prior. As was Peter Jackson for his 3 hour sequels & Nolan for his 150 minute sequel.
Maybe you lose a few insert shots or some excessive dialogue here and there. But not 45 minutes worth.
45 minutes worth is TIH all over again.
Alexei is basically trolling again with his fabricated ideas of most fully realized great movies don't have any deleted scenes.