Avengers the Initiative

[TheCorpulent1]

Within the Marvel universe, maybe, but the character was only created in the '80s, long after Atlas had become Marvel.

 

[RockSP]

Doesn't mean they can't recruit new members.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess. But it wouldn't really make sense to me to add a guy who was created long after the Atlas name was defunct. Even though technically Namora doesn't quite fit either, since she first appeared in a Timely Comics series.

 

[Dread]

Wasn't aware someone had love for Gargoyle.

If he was going to go anywhere, besides retire, he should back up poor Hellcat in Alaska. They were Defenders for ages together.

And neither he or Hellcat seemed to care that another Defender, Devil-Slayer, was seemingly killed or mortally wounded during the Skrull Invasion?

Ah, well.

 

[MightyAvenge]

I think for now The AoA should only be the originals like, but overtime it would be cool to see them gain new members. They would be more like the JLA, most of their members should be from the old school, at least age wise, like Gargoyle. Like, lets say the Whizzer somehow came back, he would be a great fit on AoA.

 

[Dread]

So I reread some past A:TI material, mostly from when Gage started co-writing with issue #7 or #8 or so and the interesting thing is that this story has some parallels to the "KIA" arc. We have a creation of the Initiative that was more than unethical coming back to bite everyone on the rear with a rampage that no one saw coming; it also is the second weaponized clone of a "deceaded" hero (Thor was dead at the time) that has gone berserk. You have a class of recruits practically graduating at the same time (aside for Prodigy and, uh, the fire girl). The top brass on the base can't stop the threat by themselves. Thor-Girl tries to fight the threat directly, and loses (although the genuine article put up more of a fight against Clor than the Skrull impostor did against KIA). Trauma ends up turning into Thor in some scene where Tarane is present, only this time it is the real Tarene. And when all hope seems lost, Justice is leading his old New Warriors in to fight it.

Of course, the last time, Justice went down pretty quickly, and not even half the Mighty Avengers could stop KIA before Cloud 9 got sneaky with him.

I actually liked the little subplot between Tarene and Trauma, and now in a way Gage has a chance to try it again without the Skrull nonsense, only that Skrull stuff makes it more complicated, especially since Physique admitted liking Trauma (which is SO not how a therapy session should have ended).

Clor in theory might be tougher than KIA was, though. Although Slapstick technically kept the brain-frying helmet that was used to finally defeat KIA in A:TI #11, and one wonders if it may come into play again. Anyway, I would hope that the New Warriors put up more a fight this time. It basically is the same roster that battled KIA, only they traded the MVP clone (not the Scarlet Spiders) with Night-Thrasher II. And no Ultra-Girl present (yet).

 

[MightyAvenge]

Wasn't aware someone had love for Gargoyle.

If he was going to go anywhere, besides retire, he should back up poor Hellcat in Alaska. They were Defenders for ages together.

And neither he or Hellcat seemed to care that another Defender, Devil-Slayer, was seemingly killed or mortally wounded during the Skrull Invasion?

Ah, well.

Damn, I was hoping Devil-Slayer was just hurt from to much teleporting. I hope he's not dead.

 

[Dread]

Damn, I was hoping Devil-Slayer was just hurt from to much teleporting. I hope he's not dead.

It's unclear. He claimed that his shadow-cloak was not meant for mass troop transfers within such a short length of time, and it was a strain. After one last teleport, he collapsed onto the ground. At the very least the strain rendered him unconscious. Whether Devil-Slayer is dead or not is unknown. I don't think it was specifically stated one way or the other. Yet.

If he is still alive and kicking, he could get shipped back to the Hawaii team, or possibly to back up Hellcat in Alaska. Considering that is where the Collective invaded the U.S. from, it seems silly for Stark to have only stationed one superhero there. Even if the mini series for HELLCAT has poked fun at it. Of course, now Norman Osborn runs the show so he likely wouldn't mind stationing her alone there. What is one more dead superhero to him?

In terms of casualties, the Skrulls can claim to have killed Wasp and Proton/Geldoff.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Just read the most recent issue. I was hoping the real Thor would have the honor of defeating Clor (not calling him Ragnarok). I mean, the New Warriors may fail and Thor could still come in for the save but it looks unlikely at this point.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

While it would be unbelievably sweet to see Thor beat the living s*** out of his reject clone, I'm not disappointed that he probably won't show up in this A:TI arc. Clor's most likely going to survive somehow, either by actually surviving or by being rebuilt again, and you know he's gonna show up in Thor's own comic at some point. Everyone loves a good evil twin story now and then, and Thor's never really had one before. All his previous clones have turned out to be nice guys.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Thor: So good, you can't even clone an evil version of him

 

[The Geek Vault]

I think for now The AoA should only be the originals like, but overtime it would be cool to see them gain new members. They would be more like the JLA, most of their members should be from the old school, at least age wise, like Gargoyle. Like, lets say the Whizzer somehow came back, he would be a great fit on AoA.

Well they could use characters from the twelve once they finish that up. like laughing mask and phantom reporter. We know the one guy with the lightning bolts is registered.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Agents of Atlas aren't an Initiative team. In fact, they're about as unregistered as you can get, given that they're the field team for a giant criminal organization.

Thor: So good, you can't even clone an evil version of him

Hahaha

 

[Dread]

Tarene/Thor-Girl is fighting Clor, that's enough of actual Norse godly business in there for me right now.

Clor has proven pretty tough; he's been capable of being rebuilt despite beatings from Storm and Hercules, after all. I wouldn't mind if he stuck around to fight the actual Thor, although I wouldn't mind Clor/Ragnarok getting a redesign out of it.

 

[The Geek Vault]

ya know? That's what I love about Slott's writing is that he always brings stuff back from old issues. I mean even now he's tying up lose ends from KIA arc with slap happy or whatever that stupid clown guys name was.

 

[hippie_hunter]

While it would be unbelievably sweet to see Thor beat the living s*** out of his reject clone, I'm not disappointed that he probably won't show up in this A:TI arc. Clor's most likely going to survive somehow, either by actually surviving or by being rebuilt again, and you know he's gonna show up in Thor's own comic at some point. Everyone loves a good evil twin story now and then, and Thor's never really had one before. All his previous clones have turned out to be nice guys.

With what JMS is doing with Thor, Clor would feel rather out of place in that book.

Put him in Dark Avengers. Ragnarok is a perfect fit for that team.

 

[Dread]

Slapstick.

Slott is no longer writing; Gage is full time. But he was aboard for the KIA arc too.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm happy that Clor is somewhat intelligent. I was expecting some kind of dumb Bizarro clone at first.

 

[Dread]

I hate Bizarro exactly because he is stupid. He would be far more of a challenge if he wasn't dumb for comic relief. The bit gets very old, especially as Superman has very few enemies who can challenge him.

Yeah, Clor isn't a ******. He's just a very aggressive cyborg clone of Thor. He thinks only about combat and whatnot. He also fights like Thor does in Avengers; nothing fancy, just smash something with brute strength or shoot electricity from the hammer.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Grundy is prob my favorite "dumb brute" that DC has to offer. He was quite articulate in his most recent appearance in JLA when he tried to kill Reddy. Something about being reborn w/ a new personality or something.

 

[The Geek Vault]

Grundy is prob my favorite "dumb brute" that DC has to offer. He was quite articulate in his most recent appearance in JLA when he tried to kill Reddy. Something about being reborn w/ a new personality or something.

ya something happened to Grundy in the one shot faces of evil. Also What I like about Thor is that he really thinks he is the REAL Thor.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

With what JMS is doing with Thor, Clor would feel rather out of place in that book.

Put him in Dark Avengers. Ragnarok is a perfect fit for that team.

Why would he feel out of place? The Dark Avengers are showing up soon and we've already seen Thor interact with the greater Marvel universe a bit.

 

[RockSP]

Grundy is prob my favorite "dumb brute" that DC has to offer. He was quite articulate in his most recent appearance in JLA when he tried to kill Reddy. Something about being reborn w/ a new personality or something.

Yeah he changes each time he dies. He was a good guy during the 90's Starman series.

 

[Dread]

Why would he feel out of place? The Dark Avengers are showing up soon and we've already seen Thor interact with the greater Marvel universe a bit.

JMS rarely writes Thor interacting with others, or getting up from his chair. He just has a story about rednecks and Loki doing more "so obvious that you're evil that everyone on Asgard is an idiot for trusting you" actions, and then 4 months of waiting before the next issue. Fraction and Bendis have had Thor interact with the rest of Marvel more within the last, oh, 8 months than JMS has. Plus, he is fixated on mythical threats to Thor. Clor is technological. That is what I think hippie_hunter meant.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, the Marvel universe doesn't intrude on every issue of Thor's comic or anything, but it acknowledged Civil War, it acknowledged the Initiative (although it would've been nice to see Thor run afoul of the Oklahoma team, I must admit), it had Iron Man in one issue, and it'll have the Dark Avengers coming up in #600. It's about as connected to the Marvel universe as Brubaker's Captain America or most other solo series that still do their own thing most of the time. At the very least, we've had assurances that it's definitely taking place within the larger Marvel universe, and the fact that Clor is technological doesn't mean much to me given that the whole thrust of JMS' run is ostensibly about Thor and the Asgardians having to deal with their lives becoming fully integrated with Earth and humanity.