Avengers the Initiative

I was trying to avoid putting in spoiler tags. Sometimes if you state something as fact that is in a solict available on the web, someone complains about spoilers, so I wanted to keep it vague without offering a link or warning.
 
Pff, that's readily available information that the company itself put out to entice us. It's no more a spoiler than a movie trailer is.
 
Fair enough.

Hopefully Gage maintains the bit of rotating cast. I wouldn't want to see the non-Shadow Initiative characters like Justice and his New Warriors or Prodigy dumped long term.
 
Prodigy should really just join the New Warriors. He'd fit quite well with them.
 
True. I don't think Justice would hold rebelling against the Registration Act against him as much as the powers-that-be seem to.

Having read NEW WARRIORS #20, it does seem like Donyell Taylor has rebounded fast. At the end of that, he disbands his own team because he saw the error of his intense mission and agrees he never tried to earn their trust the right way, and doesn't want to force them to be a team now. Granted, his squad and "Counter-Force" left in good terms in NW #15 after they teamed up to fight Skrulls, so it stands to reason that Justice would let him hang out. Plus, he is Rage's adopted uncle.

In some ways, this arc seems similar to the KIA arc, only Clor is probably a stronger villain than KIA was in some ways, even if Caselli's art is stronger than Ramos'. The Initiative's attempts to use cloning to "build" a superhuman have gone horribly wrong and said subject is out on a rampage, and Justice has to help lead the fight against him. The only difference is that there is less of an Initiative with Osborn moving in, and Clor was activated and partially made by Skrulls.

But, yeah, Prodigy wouldn't be out of place with the New New New Warriors.
 
I'd be cool with it. I like Prodigy. I'd like for him to continue to be involved in some title somewhere.
 
Honestly Prodigy has one of the coolest costumes out there.

It's just looks so original and neat.

If he got his act together he could be a real force.
 
Yeah, Prodigy's hardcore. Apparently, he learned to fly at some point, too. In Slingers, he just had super-strength and could jump really far--he was pretty clearly modeled after the Golden Age Superman.
 
I thought his suit did allow flight?

I think their definately setting up something cool for prodigy in the future, he's gotten a good bit of character development till he was backburnered for SI, but I see some cool stuff building for him.
 
Nope, his suit just let him jump really far and I think glide for a little while on the cape.

How awesome would it be if Dan Slott took him over to the Mighty Avengers? Not now, but in like a year or two after he's gotten some seasoning with the New Warriors or whatever he does after the Initiative.
 
Glide, that was it. Oh he got superhuman reflexes too.

That would be pretty cool. Prodigy's been really interesting since Civil War. I'd like to see him with some of the slingers though too.
 
I'd like to see all of the Slingers again, but without Eddie the team doesn't work. It's like the Justice League without the Martian Manhunter or the Avengers without the Vision. They're missing their heart.
 
Two options. 1. Just ignore what Millar wrote since he does that with everyone else. 2. You're already got a slinger that's been dead and back, do something with that.
 
Two options. 1. Just ignore what Millar wrote since he does that with everyone else. 2. You're already got a slinger that's been dead and back, do something with that.
Maybe the other three Slingers could figure out that Mephisto got ahold of Eddie's soul somehow and harrow Mephisto's corner of Hell to get him back. After what they've been through with Mephisto, they're sure as hell not gonna take the news that he's got his grubby mitts on Eddie lightly.

But, of course, that would require a whole mini-series for a group of characters everyone seems keen on forgetting.
 
Prodigy's Bio in some of the CW related handbooks implied that his armor had been modified to allow some of the gliding/flying abilities that his old magic cloak used to provide. Of course, he could just be leaping very far in some of those panels where he seems to be flying; stretch the cape and glide or something, I don't know.

Hornet's death was a big deal in C.B. Cebulski's THE LONERS series from a few years ago, and was a major source of Johnny Gallo's guilt issues. Simply carrying on as if Hornet wasn't dead would undo some of those issues, which were strong. Two wrongs don't always make a right, even in comics.

Probably a better idea for a revival, if someone actually cared to revive a F-List character, would likely be through his teammate, Dusk. Her powers literally began after she died, and she was revived through some sort of mysterious magical means. She controls shadows and had been stalking Gallo since the end of THE SLINGERS, so it could be possible she could somehow revive Hornet. It wouldn't be terribly far-fetched. The last time she popped up was as one of Puppet Master's love slaves, which is almost akin to necrophilia.

In comics, perception is everything. Most of the mainstream audience sees The Slingers as an outdated spin-off of Spider-Man with some of them seeming very similar to him, such as Ricochet. If perception didn't matter, DC would allow Geoff Johns to reinvent Aquaman rather than keeping him on a shelf because everyone thinks he's a loser. Marvel has been unable to really maintain new characters and make them popular for a very long time, and the Slingers unfortunately are proof. Still, at least they continue to linger in some degree.

I honestly don't see Prodigy joining Slott's MIGHTY AVENGERS and I don't see what role he would have on the team, really. His powers are fairly generic and he would probably spend much of his time arguing with Iron Man (should Stark remain on the team). It would seem pretty random, almost akin to Geo-Force on the JLA. He would probably fit better on Justice's Warriors squad, especially since the "original" MVP is likely staying with his father and leaving the fights to the Scarlet Spiders now.

Gage's last solo issue was the one that introduced Prodigy to the team (as well as Batwing, Annex, Gorilla Girl, and some others). I doubt now that Gage is writing solo full time that he is ready to abandon Prodigy just yet.
 
I must say that is a good preview. There wasn't one page out of those 6 I had any problems with. I like the New Warriors fighting Clor, and Cloud 9's little chat with Ultra Girl. Yeah, Cloud 9's costume has been recolored, but it looks better now. She still is obviously inspired by 70's anime heroes like GATCHAMAN, but most costumes are fine to stick to two colors and once they get beyond three they get complicated or uglier than intended.

It was weird that Justice's TK didn't seem to have any bright colors to show it working; they just are going for it seeming invisible, which has been out of style for telekenetics in art for, oh, about 40 years. Even Invisible Woman's constructs were "visible" in art most of the time. I mean it is realistic, but jarring.

It also kind of ties into the end of the last NEW WARRIORS comic but brushes it aside. Justice seems to have no problems with his Counter-Force reclaiming the name, and Night-Thrasher II seems to have no regrets about it.

Ramos' art isn't as bad as it usually is, and of course he is on form with inhuman characters like Slapstick. Looks like a solid showdown so far. :)
 
Maybe the New Warriors will get a mini or something, It could explain some of the loose ends you just mentioned. Toss Jono, Beak, and Jubilee in the mix, and explain what happened with MVP, where did he go?
 
I assumed that MVP would just stay with his father and leave the adventuring to his two Scarlet Spider clones/brothers. Granted, he did aid the Counter-Force squad during the SECRET INVASION. Maybe he and his dad sort of maintain their home as a ad hoc base for Justice and his team since they are technically wanted.

I seriously hope Jubilee/Wondra doesn't just get repowered and join the X-Men. A lot of Grevioux's NEW WARRIORS was choppy but I genuinely liked what he did with her. There is of course the possibility that some squad of X-Men could practice what they preach and actually be inclusive by allowing a non-mutant member join, but, I doubt it.

Yeah, Jono, Beak, and Jubilee (and I guess Angel since she is with Beak) were pretty much the prime of that NW run, beyond Donyell Taylor, of course. The rest were sort of just there and got lost in the mix after a while, even Sophia.
 
I assumed that MVP would just stay with his father and leave the adventuring to his two Scarlet Spider clones/brothers. Granted, he did aid the Counter-Force squad during the SECRET INVASION. Maybe he and his dad sort of maintain their home as a ad hoc base for Justice and his team since they are technically wanted.

I seriously hope Jubilee/Wondra doesn't just get repowered and join the X-Men. A lot of Grevioux's NEW WARRIORS was choppy but I genuinely liked what he did with her. There is of course the possibility that some squad of X-Men could practice what they preach and actually be inclusive by allowing a non-mutant member join, but, I doubt it.

Yeah, Jono, Beak, and Jubilee (and I guess Angel since she is with Beak) were pretty much the prime of that NW run, beyond Donyell Taylor, of course. The rest were sort of just there and got lost in the mix after a while, even Sophia.

did u read this weeks uncanny? they did just that.

and i dunno i tried several times to get into the New new warriors comic, and couldn't... i kept picking it up for an arch or two and dropping it. Jubilee was great as a leader, but she's just not jubes without her powers imo... and the name wondra for her sucks
 
did u read this weeks uncanny? they did just that.

and i dunno i tried several times to get into the New new warriors comic, and couldn't... i kept picking it up for an arch or two and dropping it. Jubilee was great as a leader, but she's just not jubes without her powers imo... and the name wondra for her sucks

I don't read UXM, so no, I missed it.

Grevioux's NEW WARRIORS run wasn't easy to like a lot of the time. It was decompressed, had at least 2-3 more characters than it should have had, and sometimes was confusing. But I guess the fact that I never cared for Jubilee much before helped me accept her new status there. I liked the idea that even without powers, she was experienced and give some new technology, could still be a capable heroine. Jono's sound based powers would have seemed better if at any point he claimed he asked for them to honor his deceased Generation X headmaster/mentor Banshee, but whatever.

At any rate, Donyell apparently joined Justice's team after the dissolution of his team and seems to be acting as Vance's number two, barking orders when Vance isn't.
 

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