Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event

[Union Jack]

i'm intrigued,i like a good smash up now and then..yeah it'd be nice for a juicy storyline..but i also wanna see the avengers smash the x-men around.
(i'm not bias,honest )

 

[hippie_hunter]

Preview of AvX: Versus #1

So this mini-series is literally just fights we already saw in the main series, totally devoid of any plot or story trappings? Wow. I might just break something passing on this so hard.

I think that it was really wise of Marvel to only have one tie-in series to AvX for the reason that you say.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't understand what you mean. Usually if there are tie-ins to an event in an ongoing series, the good writers'll tie them into ongoing storylines and it'll all flow pretty well. Only the crappy writers drop fights from the main series into their comics or mini-series with no rhyme or reason or plot.

 

[runawayboulder]

So I found some AvX #1 spoilers online...

Spoiler

And Cyclops is in major ****head mode. He goes on a crybaby rant about how the Avengers were never there for the X-Men except when they needed something. He shoots Cap with a major optic blast that knocks Steve clear into the ocean, effectively firing the first shot in this fight. Cap was there to get Hope so I get the feeling she's gonna go on the run.

 

[MarvelKnight]

Sounds like Civil War 2 to me with Hope Summers and the Phoenix standing in for the Registration act... don't think I'll waste my time, but some of the covers I've seen look pretty good.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't understand what you mean. Usually if there are tie-ins to an event in an ongoing series, the good writers'll tie them into ongoing storylines and it'll all flow pretty well. Only the crappy writers drop fights from the main series into their comics or mini-series with no rhyme or reason or plot.

Because of the apathetic response so far to AvX, it's best IMO that Marvel stuck with one pointless tie-in mini as opposed to the MANY pointless tie-in minis that came about in Fear Itself that did not sell.

 

[kguillou]

Just got my copy from an AvX party. I gotta say, it was a good issue overall and an exciting start to this event. I was very very jaded about this when it was announced but damn it if i'm not intrigued now. I already can't wait for the next issue. My only issue is:

Spoiler

Cyclops is such an A**hole!!! I mean seriously, this character is so far gone now. Who the hell is he to just blast Cap like that? Cap was clearly trying to work together with the X-men and Cyclops chose to be a hard headed *****e and throw the first punch. I'm really worried for this character as he is slowly becoming Magneto 2.0.

Other than that, I thought this was a really good start, let's see where these guys take this.

 

[jonathancrane]

Just got my copy from an AvX party. I gotta say, it was a good issue overall and an exciting start to this event. I was very very jaded about this when it was announced but damn it if i'm not intrigued now. I already can't wait for the next issue. My only issue is:

Spoiler

Cyclops is such an A**hole!!! I mean seriously, this character is so far gone now. Who the hell is he to just blast Cap like that? Cap was clearly trying to work together with the X-men and Cyclops chose to be a hard headed *****e and throw the first punch. I'm really worried for this character as he is slowly becoming Magneto 2.0.

Other than that, I thought this was a really good start, let's see where these guys take this.

The last sentence in your spoiler was addressed perfectly in the dialogue between Cyclops and Magneto, that was released as a preview.

However, I have to wait two weeks until my book store receives anything related to the event. Grr.

 

[Havok83]

Just got my copy from an AvX party. I gotta say, it was a good issue overall and an exciting start to this event. I was very very jaded about this when it was announced but damn it if i'm not intrigued now. I already can't wait for the next issue. My only issue is:

Spoiler

Cyclops is such an A**hole!!! I mean seriously, this character is so far gone now. Who the hell is he to just blast Cap like that? Cap was clearly trying to work together with the X-men and Cyclops chose to be a hard headed *****e and throw the first punch. I'm really worried for this character as he is slowly becoming Magneto 2.0.

Other than that, I thought this was a really good start, let's see where these guys take this.

[BLACKOUT]Captain America pretty much threatened him. Right before the blast, Steve told him, that he wasnt asking about Hope. He was there to take her by force if necesarry and refusing to give her up, was going to lead to a fight. He knew that. Why do you think he came with an entire fleet of Avengers to fight on the X-men home base? He's prepared to destroy their home and there's children there that are most likely going to get hurt in the process. Why is Scott automatically the bad guy? Its not that black and white. Captain America is no one to just come to Utopia and start barking orders, especially since he and the Avengers have little to no experience with the Phoenix Force or Hope. He wasnt trying to work with Scott. He was trying to take control of the issue and leaving Scott and the X-men out of it[/BLACKOUT]

The book was amazing and a great first issue. If I had one issue it was Romita's art as Im not a fan of it, but it was looking really good here.

It was weird seeing Wolverine refer to Jean by her full name. Jean Grey? He knew her more intimately than to refer to her so formally.

I also hated how the writing almost seemed to imply that the last time the Phoenix was around was back in the DPS. Wolverine said the Phoenix killed Scott's girl; that was ages ago in Marvel time. Xorn did it most recently, not the Phoenix. Scott also said the last time they dealt with the Phoenix, they were so young. Really? The last time was in Warsong, maybe 2 years ago Marvel time

and really, how lopsided can things be? Why are they acting like these are the only active X-men? There's Storm (maybe) Magik, Psylocke, Dazzler, Domino, Warpath, Danger, Jeffries, Dr. Nemesis, the New Mutants, Gen Hope and the New X-men, etc.... on the island. The X-men are not quite as outnumbered as the roster lineup would make you believe

 

[kguillou]

[BLACKOUT]Captain America pretty much threatened him. Right before the blast, Steve told him, that he wasnt asking about Hope. He was there to take her by force if necesarry and refusing to give her up, was going to lead to a fight. He knew that. Why do you think he came with an entire fleet of Avengers to fight on the X-men home base? He's prepared to destroy their home and there's children there that are most likely going to get hurt in the process. Why is Scott automatically the bad guy? Its not that black and white. Captain America is no one to just come to Utopia and start barking orders, especially since he and the Avengers have little to no experience with the Phoenix Force or Hope. He wasnt trying to work with Scott. He was trying to take control of the issue and leaving Scott and the X-men out of it[/BLACKOUT]

The book was amazing and a great first issue. If I had one issue it was Romita's art as Im not a fan of it, but it was looking really good here.

It was weird seeing Wolverine refer to Jean by her full name. Jean Grey? He knew her more intimately than to refer to her so formally.

I also hated how the writing almost seemed to imply that the last time the Phoenix was around was back in the DPS. Wolverine said the Phoenix killed Scott's girl; that was ages ago in Marvel time. Xorn did it most recently, not the Phoenix. Scott also said the last time they dealt with the Phoenix, they were so young. Really? The last time was in Warsong, maybe 2 years ago Marvel time

and really, how lopsided can things be? Why are they acting like these are the only active X-men? There's Storm (maybe) Magik, Psylocke, Dazzler, Domino, Warpath, Danger, Jeffries, Dr. Nemesis, the New Mutants, Gen Hope and the New X-men, etc.... on the island. The X-men are not quite as outnumbered as the roster lineup would make you believe

[BLACKOUT]
Honestly, you bring up a good point but I dunno, I guess I just read it differently. I felt like Cap was not coming for a fight and was pretty clear that there is a dangerous, dangerous force coming to earth and they needed to do something about it and cyclops' reaction was "get the hell off my island." From someone who's faced the phoenix over and over again, you would think he'd be a bit more sympathetic to Cap's worries. [/BLACKOUT]

But again, it's not that big of a deal. It did not hinder my enjoyment of the issue, which i thought was great.

 

[runawayboulder]

[BLACKOUT]Captain America pretty much threatened him. Right before the blast, Steve told him, that he wasnt asking about Hope. He was there to take her by force if necesarry and refusing to give her up, was going to lead to a fight. He knew that. Why do you think he came with an entire fleet of Avengers to fight on the X-men home base? He's prepared to destroy their home and there's children there that are most likely going to get hurt in the process. Why is Scott automatically the bad guy? Its not that black and white. Captain America is no one to just come to Utopia and start barking orders, especially since he and the Avengers have little to no experience with the Phoenix Force or Hope. He wasnt trying to work with Scott. He was trying to take control of the issue and leaving Scott and the X-men out of it[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

I think you're off here. Cap came there and specifically said he was hoping Scott and him could come to an understanding, "man to man and leader to leader" because a destructive force was threatening the Earth. Cap didn't act aggressive at all until Scott went into his rant about how the Avengers were never there for the X-Men even though he knows first hand that the Avengers were out of power from the end of Secret Invasion until SIEGE.

Scott acted like a d*** and that's when Cap brought out the "I'm the Boss" demeanor.

 

[Harlekin]

The biggest issue I had with this... issue, is that we had more than one page of the Avengers dealing with the crashing Nova. I feel we've gone from decompression to simple laziness.

 

[Havok83]

Spoiler

I think you're off here. Cap came there and specifically said he was hoping Scott and him could come to an understanding, "man to man and leader to leader" because a destructive force was threatening the Earth. Cap didn't act aggressive at all until Scott went into his rant about how the Avengers were never there for the X-Men even though he knows first hand that the Avengers were out of power from the end of Secret Invasion until SIEGE.

Scott acted like a d*** and that's when Cap brought out the "I'm the Boss" demeanor.

[BLACKOUT]
Emma read Cap's mind and telepathically relayed to Scott that he had no plans to leave the island without Hope. Thats when Scott went on his rant. Cap reinforced what Emma informed Scott when he made the threat about him not being there to ask whether he could take Hope or not. Steve was there to take Hope by any means necesary which is why he had a SHIELD carrier filled with an entire fleet of Avengers behind him and multiple fighter jets. He was prepared to take her by force if they didnt comply with his orders. Scott had valid reasons to feel threatened. Id be threatened too, if I looked up and saw that
[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Spider-Nerd]

I'm as big a scott summers fan as anyone but even I thought he came across as a much bigger dick than he's ever been. From his riding hope to telling cap to go to hell....I don't know if it's just me but it really comes across as pretty extreme even from where his character was last year in schism. I mean, when emma's being more rational than him, I start to think about character consistency.

 

[kguillou]

Right? I mean i get it. The mutants have been having a rough couple of years and i get that scott's a little edgy but telling Cap to screw off like that? He's freaking Captain America. He's there to help. Yes he came with backup, but why wouldn't he? Cap knew Scott was gona react the way he did but offered to settle this leader to leader and come to common ground and Scott completely disregarded that.

 

[CConn]

So from what I gather, the writing of issue one was just as lazy and illogical as the writing in Marvel's past 5 events - which everyone hated - but for some reason you all liked this issue anyway?

 

[Primal Slayer]

I wasnt blown away by this first issue like I thought I would be. It was a little weak, rushed, and the art was ok but I would think they would get something a little more top tier for this event.

 

[runawayboulder]

The issue wasn't great that's for sure. The thing is that Hope, the Phoenix Force, Wanda (and potentially Jean Grey) are all people I'm interested in. I've invested a lot of time and money into stories involving them all in the past decade. I want to see how it all ends....provided it is ending and this isn't one giant screw job by Marvel. It's all about subject matter for me.

 

[runawayboulder]

Double

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So from what I gather, the writing of issue one was just as lazy and illogical as the writing in Marvel's past 5 events - which everyone hated - but for some reason you all liked this issue anyway?

What was lazy and illogical about it? Cyclops is a *****e--has been for years now--and he rashly threw the first punch when Cap came to try and isolate Hope from the Phoenix Force peacefully. Simple enough.

I thought the issue was pretty good. Bendis' writing hasn't bothered me in general lately, though, so maybe I'm biased.

 

[kguillou]

Again, I saw nothing wrong with Cap's approach. He came to Utopia to talk to Scott man to man and come to a solution about how to handle the phoenix, the freaking force of nature that could blow up the planet in a blink of an eye and Cylcops has the nerve to to tell Steve to screw off? I just didn't understand that. Plus it's CAPTAIN AMERICA, when Steve Rogers asks you to trust him, you trust him.

 

[Raiden]

I was one of the biggest Cyclops fans even when people were jumping on Wolverine's bandwagon in the past, but I'm not that thrilled about Marvel's treatment of this character over the years. He went from a level-headed leader of the X-Men, to a spitfire and prefers violence over peace to resolve the situation. Sometimes I wonder if he was mentored by Xavier or Magneto with his warmongering and "shoot first, ask questions later" attitude. I became an X-Men fan first when I was introduced to Marvel Comics back in '88, but recently I found myself to be leaning toward The Avengers more and more, and from what I've heard about AvX #1, it probably won't change my mind anytime soon.

 

[Splat]

I liked it, and yes JRJ's art looked as good as I've seen it in a long time. I hated his stuff on Avengers. But yeah the recap page with so few mutants did confuse me, Utopia is home to a lot more then that.

 

[Spider-Nerd]

Even for where the character has been in the past few years, Scott doing the equivalent of telling captain America to F off and then blasting him felt pretty out of character to me. I certainly understand the argument that Scott's been a *****e and I'm inclined to agree but the character's behavior in this issue really seemed extreme to me.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I liked it, and yes JRJ's art looked as good as I've seen it in a long time. I hated his stuff on Avengers. But yeah the recap page with so few mutants did confuse me, Utopia is home to a lot more then that.

You have to take into account that at least half the kids and half the X-Men left Utopia. And the New Mutants left Utopia for San Fransisco. Utopia is pretty damn empty right now.