Comics Back In Black Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Web-Head408]

The situation looks grim to Brock. Probably he will die next issue, only to be revived few years later

yeah, he's probably gonna do something crazy.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I can't wait for Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #23...

8/15 - Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #23 - ($2.99)

By Peter David & Todd Nauck

Cover by Paolo Rivera

It's the end of an era as Peter David wraps up his run with a "Back In Black" tie-in that finally brings J. Jonah Jameson face to face with Peter Parker!

End of an era?

What era?

Heh anyway, that issue sounds golden. Haven't collected FNSM at all, but picking that issue up for sure.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

One minor complain...Brock is bald!!!

The dude has cancer.

 

[Cullen]

I can't wait for Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #23...

8/15 - Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #23 - ($2.99)

By Peter David & Todd Nauck

Cover by Paolo Rivera

It's the end of an era as Peter David wraps up his run with a "Back In Black" tie-in that finally brings J. Jonah Jameson face to face with Peter Parker!

Not even two years does not an era make.

Oh well. I suppose it was nice while it lasted. What little I read of it wasn't that bad.

 

[Venom07]

I'm sorry but this whole Back in Black storyline that's running through Amazing is a joke.
Are you kidding me? Spidey is ready to kill people because Aunt May got shot and is in critical condition? I mean seriously have those guys not been reading Spider-Man the last 40+ years? Even with Civil War and the umasking and all that stress, are long time fans really supposed to believe that this is what gets Peter to willingly cross that line?
Not Norman killing Gwen, or kidnapping Aunt May and replacing her with a clone and making Peter think she died, or making Peter think he's a clone, or killing his daughter May (I mean seriously, he killed his unborn child!!!), or killing Ben who Peter had felt was like a brother, or kidnapping (again) and burying Aunt May, or kidnapping MJ and taking her to the same bridge he killed Gwen on.
And that's just what I can think off of the top of my head regarding Norman and that's just Norman!!! Some of his other rogues have done some pretty nasty stuff to him as well but THIS is what sets him off? I'm sorry but if he was going to snap, the Kingpin would be way down on that list.
This is just lazy writers wanting to tell a story, not caring about a long and rich history and doing whatever they want to advance a story that doesn't fit with past continuity (again!) and a characters WELL established personality. And you know what, I'm done. I've cancelled my books and i'm fighting back the only way I can think of, with my wallet. Marvel can kiss my hairy a$$!

 

[ragingdemon155]

I'm sorry but this whole Back in Black storyline that's running through Amazing is a joke.
Are you kidding me? Spidey is ready to kill people because Aunt May got shot and is in critical condition? I mean seriously have those guys not been reading Spider-Man the last 40+ years? Even with Civil War and the umasking and all that stress, are long time fans really supposed to believe that this is what gets Peter to willingly cross that line?
Not Norman killing Gwen, or kidnapping Aunt May and replacing her with a clone and making Peter think she died, or making Peter think he's a clone, or killing his daughter May (I mean seriously, he killed his unborn child!!!), or killing Ben who Peter had felt was like a brother, or kidnapping (again) and burying Aunt May, or kidnapping MJ and taking her to the same bridge he killed Gwen on.
And that's just what I can think off of the top of my head regarding Norman and that's just Norman!!! Some of his other rogues have done some pretty nasty stuff to him as well but THIS is what sets him off? I'm sorry but if he was going to snap, the Kingpin would be way down on that list.
This is just lazy writers wanting to tell a story, not caring about a long and rich history and doing whatever they want to advance a story that doesn't fit with past continuity (again!) and a characters WELL established personality. And you know what, I'm done. I've cancelled my books and i'm fighting back the only way I can think of, with my wallet. Marvel can kiss my hairy a$$!

Yea the setup for the Back in Black storyline was off. Everyone knows it was just an attempt to boost sales cause of SM3. Joe Q made me laugh when he stated that Spider-man getting the black costume back had nothing to do with the movie. Seriously come on now.....

Personally, I'm enjoying the "Back in Black" storyline running through Amazing right now. But damn, I really really miss that old wise cracking red and blue Spider-man. It really seems like we haven't had that version in an eternity.

 

[SpideyZERO]

I'm sorry but this whole Back in Black storyline that's running through Amazing is a joke.
Are you kidding me? Spidey is ready to kill people because Aunt May got shot and is in critical condition? I mean seriously have those guys not been reading Spider-Man the last 40+ years? Even with Civil War and the umasking and all that stress, are long time fans really supposed to believe that this is what gets Peter to willingly cross that line?
Not Norman killing Gwen, or kidnapping Aunt May and replacing her with a clone and making Peter think she died, or making Peter think he's a clone, or killing his daughter May (I mean seriously, he killed his unborn child!!!), or killing Ben who Peter had felt was like a brother, or kidnapping (again) and burying Aunt May, or kidnapping MJ and taking her to the same bridge he killed Gwen on.
And that's just what I can think off of the top of my head regarding Norman and that's just Norman!!! Some of his other rogues have done some pretty nasty stuff to him as well but THIS is what sets him off? I'm sorry but if he was going to snap, the Kingpin would be way down on that list.
This is just lazy writers wanting to tell a story, not caring about a long and rich history and doing whatever they want to advance a story that doesn't fit with past continuity (again!) and a characters WELL established personality. And you know what, I'm done. I've cancelled my books and i'm fighting back the only way I can think of, with my wallet. Marvel can kiss my hairy a$$!

Maybe Back In Black is just some shameless movie tie in, but it's a damn good story. I can understand how Peter snaps and wants to kill someone. Peter has faced too many casualties and sad incidents, those incidents accumulated and finally make Peter snaps. Very reasonable to met:

 

[Venom07]

Maybe Back In Black is just some shameless movie tie in, but it's a damn good story. I can understand how Peter snaps and wants to kill someone. Peter has faced too many casualties and sad incidents, those incidents accumulated and finally make Peter snaps. Very reasonable to me

I'll even go so far as to say the story itself isn't half bad, or the concept but it's the fact that it's a Spider-Man story that's really bugging me. I just have to respectfully disagree over the fact that "this" is what's causing him to snap and who he's ready to kill. As tough as the last few months have been for him, it should take a lot more than this to cause Peter to just lose it, he's been through far FAR worse times. This whole breaking bones, out to kill, dark vigilante thing just isn't Peter.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

I'm sorry but this whole Back in Black storyline that's running through Amazing is a joke.
Are you kidding me? Spidey is ready to kill people because Aunt May got shot and is in critical condition? I mean seriously have those guys not been reading Spider-Man the last 40+ years? Even with Civil War and the umasking and all that stress, are long time fans really supposed to believe that this is what gets Peter to willingly cross that line?
Not Norman killing Gwen, or kidnapping Aunt May and replacing her with a clone and making Peter think she died, or making Peter think he's a clone, or killing his daughter May (I mean seriously, he killed his unborn child!!!), or killing Ben who Peter had felt was like a brother, or kidnapping (again) and burying Aunt May, or kidnapping MJ and taking her to the same bridge he killed Gwen on.
And that's just what I can think off of the top of my head regarding Norman and that's just Norman!!! Some of his other rogues have done some pretty nasty stuff to him as well but THIS is what sets him off? I'm sorry but if he was going to snap, the Kingpin would be way down on that list.
This is just lazy writers wanting to tell a story, not caring about a long and rich history and doing whatever they want to advance a story that doesn't fit with past continuity (again!) and a characters WELL established personality. And you know what, I'm done. I've cancelled my books and i'm fighting back the only way I can think of, with my wallet. Marvel can kiss my hairy a$$!

Peter stopped himself from Killing Norman. That was his first encounter with losing control. When Norman re-emerged he TRIED to kill Norman again by swinging a bag full of pumpkin bombs into his stomach. Peter is ONLY human, and can ONLY take so much. The difference in this situation is that he's being told that his Aunt WILL die. No matter what. It's just a matter of time. With everything thats happened during civil war , and before and during The "other" Peter has been known to snap under stress of lesser events. I believe he's being written beautifully in this arc. Maybe it seems a tad rushed out to me...but I can over look that. Because as someone with an overly compassionate and caring nature...I know how it feels to be pushed too far. I can totally relate to how Peter is feeling right now. And it makes more sense than anything thats been going on in the comics for a long , long time.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

I'll even go so far as to say the story itself isn't half bad, or the concept but it's the fact that it's a Spider-Man story that's really bugging me. I just have to respectfully disagree over the fact that "this" is what's causing him to snap and who he's ready to kill. As tough as the last few months have been for him, it should take a lot more than this to cause Peter to just lose it, he's been through far FAR worse times. This whole breaking bones, out to kill, dark vigilante thing just isn't Peter.

Seems like you don't know your Parker.

 

[Venom07]

Seems like you don't know your Parker.

If you think this story and Peter's reactions are typical of the character you obviously know nothing about the character. He's been pushed farther, had much worse things happen to him and didn't snap like this. The whole breaking bones, saying he's going to kill someone isn't Spider-Man, it's Batman or the Punisher. I understand getting pushed and losing it but not for this considering what he's been through.

 

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

Everyone has a breaking point....EVERYONE even Peter. I think a combination of everything's that's happened in his life in combination with Aunt May being shot has made him reach that breaking point.

Spidey will never grow as a character if everyone expects him to act exactly the same to everything no matter what the circumstances.

 

[KangConquers]

Everyone has a breaking point....EVERYONE even Peter. I think a combination of everything's that's happened in his life in combination with Aunt May being shot has made him reach that breaking point.

Spidey will never grow as a character if everyone expects him to act exactly the same to everything no matter what the circumstances.

Exactly. If one of your parents (and that's what Aunt May and Uncle Ben are...his parents basically) gets shot and murdered, it'll haunt you forever and make you very protective of the other one. If someone tries to shoot kill your other parent, after you've already lost the first one the same way... well let's just say, that's grounds for snapping.

 

[Venom07]

Everyone has a breaking point....EVERYONE even Peter. I think a combination of everything's that's happened in his life in combination with Aunt May being shot has made him reach that breaking point.

Spidey will never grow as a character if everyone expects him to act exactly the same to everything no matter what the circumstances.

Your exactly right BUT if you're going to have him do something different, in this case totally lose it and turn into "The Bat-Spider", don't make it less extreme than what he's already been through, numerous times. If you really want to go down that road with Peter, than it should be with Norman. Where the culmination of everything that Norman has done finally causes Peter to say enough is enough. This whole scenario with the Kingpin, IMHO is a joke and just lazy writing.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

If you think this story and Peter's reactions are typical of the character you obviously know nothing about the character. He's been pushed farther, had much worse things happen to him and didn't snap like this. The whole breaking bones, saying he's going to kill someone isn't Spider-Man, it's Batman or the Punisher. I understand getting pushed and losing it but not for this considering what he's been through.

Oh yes his girlfriend dying in his arms is much more horrendous than having your Aunt get shot infront of you because of practically the same reason. Your identity. Mind you, it's happened more than once. Over and over. You honestly feel that someone would hold their composure the same -forever- ? No matter what? You're holding onto what Peter once -was-. Things have happened to him now. He's changed in many ways. If you can't accept this, then you're being unrealistic about who Peter Parker is. A human being.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Your exactly right BUT if you're going to have him do something different, in this case totally lose it and turn into "The Bat-Spider", don't make it less extreme than what he's already been through, numerous times. If you really want to go down that road with Peter, than it should be with Norman. Where the culmination of everything that Norman has done finally causes Peter to say enough is enough. This whole scenario with the Kingpin, IMHO is a joke and just lazy writing.

You just tried to compare Norman's interference with Gwen Stacy's life to Peter's loss of Aunt May's. Are you serious?

 

[Venom07]

Oh yes his girlfriend dying in his arms is much more horrendous than having your Aunt get shot infront of you because of practically the same reason. Your identity. Mind you, it's happened more than once. Over and over. You honestly feel that someone would hold their composure the same -forever- ? No matter what? You're holding onto what Peter once -was-. Things have happened to him now. He's changed in many ways. If you can't accept this, then you're being unrealistic about who Peter Parker is. A human being.

Are you kidding me? Yeah he's changed, he's got stingers, he's embraced his Spider/totem side, he can talk to other spiders, he's been reborn cause he was dead and his old body was eaten by "The Other", etc. etc.
This story is the culmination of crap that's been going on in Amazing for years now and I've personally had enough. If you like it and think it's fitting, all the power to you but I disagree. If you want to show the character growing and changing than make it realistic in comparison to what has happened to him. May being shot and in critical condition doesn't even make the top 10 list of horrible things that have happened to him.

 

[Venom07]

You just tried to compare Norman's interference with Gwen Stacy's life to Peter's loss of Aunt May's. Are you serious?

I'm not sure what you mean, what I was saying is that if you're going to have Peter finally snap it should be because of something Norman does. Norman has done numerous horrible things to Peter and him being the straw that breaks the camels back is more fitting.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Are you kidding me? Yeah he's changed, he's got stingers, he's embraced his Spider/totem side, he can talk to other spiders, he's been reborn cause he was dead and his old body was eaten by "The Other", etc. etc.
This story is the culmination of crap that's been going on in Amazing for years now and I've personally had enough. If you like it and think it's fitting, all the power to you but I disagree. If you want to show the character growing and changing than make it realistic in comparison to what has happened to him. May being shot and in critical condition doesn't even make the top 10 list of horrible things that have happened to him.

Are you friggin kidding me? The only other thing that would send him over the edge like that is MJ being killed. Aunt may getting shot and possibly killed doesn't even go on top ten?!?!?!?!

Wow. Wow. And Wow. Seriously. You have a slight lack of understanding of human nature. Really do. Especially Parker's. Considering who Aunt may is to him.

 

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

Norman doing it would be way too derivative. Spider-Man and Kingpin have a lot of history together. It may have been earlier in ASM and Spectacular's lifespan, but still they do have history. History enough that this makes sense.

I've seen enough Norman in Sins Past to be ok with im not having a hand in EVERY single thing that happens to Pete.

 

[Spidey_87]

I loved the scene in the latest issue of ASM where Kingpin destroys his jail cell and reveals all that hidden cash. That was classic! I would have loved to have read a line revealing how much cash he had stashed away in his cell.

 

[Venom07]

Are you friggin kidding me? The only other thing that would send him over the edge like that is MJ being killed. Aunt may getting shot and possibly killed doesn't even go on top ten?!?!?!?!

Wow. Wow. And Wow. Seriously. You have a slight lack of understanding of human nature. Really do. Especially Parker's. Considering who Aunt may is to him.

I have a slight lack of understanding? You have no clue what you're talking about. 1st of all May isn't dead and considering this is the marvel universe, there's a good chance she'll survive. He should be angry but not to this point, Spider-Man would be out for justice, not to murder people. Peter Parker has been shown time and time and time again that he does not kill, it's not his nature. While it would be a lot of people's nature, it's not his.
Now, if you want to say that Norman would be too cliche, fine I see that and I agree, but for Peter to be at the point he's at now, so willing to kill someone, IMO it should take a lot more than this considering what he's already been through.

 

[Sloth7d]

In the end I doubt he kills anyone, anyway. I mean, yeah, he's saying he's going to killn someone, but its all talk. When the time comes and he realizes what he's about to do, he'll stop.

 

[farmernudie]

Sloth7d:In the end I doubt he kills anyone, anyway. I mean, yeah, he's saying he's going to killn someone, but its all talk. When the time comes and he realizes what he's about to do, he'll stop.

Yeh! That's right....he'll stop and hold back at the last mintue....he's holding out anyway, for when JQ gives his wife convenient marriage amnesia...then you'll see Spidey REALLY MAD.

Then we'll start the Back Again In Black Arc.

 

[The Caped Knight]

In the recent issue of Amazing # 541

Peter take's a page out of BATMAN's book about terrorfiying Interrogation methods .

I mean damn it the way he had Jim hang upside down with in the sewer with rats crawling all over him not to mention Peter's words .

About the The Lower Food Chain , The Predators & The Prey .

I felt like I was reading BATMAN (pissed-off) and inerrogating his suspect almost to near death .

I really like how the TPTB are exploring the Darker side of the Hero in The Back In Black story arc. Giving us an in-depth look at Spidey at his darkest hour, I really makes some great story telling has well as some great Character Devlopment for Parker etc..

But I'll be glad when Wise-cracking Red & Blue web-slinger return in OMD .