The Dark Knight Rises Batman 3's Gotham inspiration?

[Doc Samson]

As we all know, Batman Begins & The Dark Knight showed Gotham City in vastly different ways both visually, and in terms of style. In both cases it's because of a direct correlation between prior movies Nolan looked to for inspiration.

Batman Begins was heavily influenced by Blade Runner, in particular the design of the Narrows, and of course included Rutger Hauer.

The Dark Knight was very inspired by Heat, and included William Fichtner for a swift cameo.

My question to any fellow movie buffs around here is what film do you think could be a potential inspiration for Nolan's final outing in Gotham City? And what actor would you like to see in a small role from that particular movie?

 

[redhawk23]

some kind of combination of two. it was recognizable as a american city in TDK but it needs a little more character. i did enjoy both aproaches

 

[Crook]

Gotham saw no noticeable difference in either film. The Narrows was an island of itself, and is no more representative of Gotham, than Long Island is to New York City.

 

[Doc Samson]

Gotham saw no noticeable difference in either film. The Narrows was an island of itself, and is no more representative of Gotham, than Long Island is to New York City.

I don't think we saw Gotham City hardly at all in BB, most of it was all in the Narrows, so naturally, people associate it's depiction as Gotham's on a whole. There's no reason why it won't be that way again in the next film, to use your analogy, it could take place in a whole different area, or Borough. In that case, I'm asking what inspiration people would like to see from another movie, as surely, there may be one

 

[Mister H.]

Chinatown. Little Mexico. Russian neighborhoods. Stuff like that.

 

[Brother Jack]

Gotham saw no noticeable difference in either film. The Narrows was an island of itself, and is no more representative of Gotham, than Long Island is to New York City.

Yes.

 

[The Joker]

Gotham saw no noticeable difference in either film. The Narrows was an island of itself, and is no more representative of Gotham, than Long Island is to New York City.

Exactly

 

[Texas Zombie]

I believe a lot of scenes from BB were filmed in the narrows.

Which I believe is the ghetto side, and it was deemed unlivable after the events of BB.

I wish they would have it inspired by the gotham city from the comics.

 

[TheBatman072]

I believe a lot of scenes from BB were filmed in the narrows.

Which I believe is the ghetto side, and it was deemed unlivable after the events of BB.

I wish they would have it inspired by the gotham city from the comics.

Yeah. they did.

 

[TheBatman072]

Not to mention Nolan's gotham looks so much like Timm/Dini's Gotham that we all love so much:

 

[Texas Zombie]

Yeah but it's not the same!
Runs to room and slams the door.

 

[robthorn24]

I expect more of the same as far as Gotham's look goes. I agree with Crook.

 

[Figs]

Gotham saw no noticeable difference in either film. The Narrows was an island of itself, and is no more representative of Gotham, than Long Island is to New York City.

Only problem with that is in TDK there was never the sense that Gotham was the dirtiest crime ridden city like it's supposed to be. I guess because of all the bright day shots it lost the grungy dark feeling of BB which I hope they go back to.

I kind of have to disagree with that last statement, they still are both part of those citys. For me the Narrows was heavily missed in TDK. That was the main part of the city that actually gave Nolan's version of Gotham more of a feel like the one in the comics.

If he doesn't want to use the narrows again in the third film then I'm hoping he uses more night scenes and actually shows the crime more up front then in the background where, aside from Ras, Crane and Joker it was left to assumption that Gotham was heavily crime ridden in the scumbag kind of way we see in the comics.

 

[Doc Samson]

I believe a lot of scenes from BB were filmed in the narrows.

Which I believe is the ghetto side, and it was deemed unlivable after the events of BB.

I wish they would have it inspired by the gotham city from the comics.

Exactly, maybe I should have re-worded the thread, but I think it's quite possible that the majority of the movie takes place in a different area of Nolan's Gotham we haven't been privy to yet.

It's no coincidence he included actors from the two movies that inspired some of the cinematography and visual aspects, even down to the color, which I know is a whole other thread and conversation. Point being, he'll probably have yet another look, and I don't think it matters if it's set primarily in Gotham or not, evidently, it's a big place with different locations.

The scope of TDK and especially the opening robbery were inspired, the set design of the Narrows were directly inspired, the question is, what films have interesting visual set designs and/or cinematography that you think could work in the next installment. Personally I wouldn't mind some influence from Dark City, a criminally underrated movie. It's not quite the art deco, gothic stuff of Burton's but it still has that dreary, dreadful look to it that I would hope Gotham adapts, or else, what would be the point? Batman needs to be in a f***ed up environment after all....

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Not to mention Nolan's gotham looks so much like Timm/Dini's Gotham that we all love so much:

Wait....what? They look practically nothing alike! The Dark Deco design for TAS was a very exaggerated Wolrds Fair style, Nolan's is a gritty, Chigao-esque place.

 

[TheBatman072]

Wait....what? They look practically nothing alike! The Dark Deco design for TAS was a very exaggerated Wolrds Fair style, Nolan's is a gritty, Chigao-esque place.

Did you even LOOK at the pictures I posted?

 

[TheBatman072]

Compare this picture to the animated Batman pictures above:

Tell me those buildings don't look alike, and I'll call you a liar.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Did you even LOOK at the pictures I posted?

Yes, and the styles are totally different. The BTAS buildings are black monoliths (often shown with yellow windows for contrast) in front of a dark red permanently cloudy sky. The style was very exagerrated and almost whimsical.

Compare this picture to the animated Batman pictures above:
Tell me those buildings don't look alike, and I'll call you a liar.

OH MY GOD! They're buildings! They go UP! And then they end with a ROOF!

Seriously, The Batman's style was much closer to that, with more detailed, tan/grey coloured buidlnigs and that show was even further from Nolan's films. If you're going by the logic that both films have skyscrapers in them that Batman stands on top of and that they are therefore very similar, I'm going to have trouble taking your argument seriously.

 

[TheBatman072]

Yes, and the styles are totally different. The BTAS buildings are black monoliths (often shown with yellow windows for contrast) in front of a dark red permanently cloudy sky. The style was very exagerrated and almost whimsical.

OH MY GOD! They're buildings! They go UP! And then they end with a ROOF!

Seriously, The Batman's style was much closer to that, with more detailed, tan/grey coloured buidlnigs and that show was even further from Nolan's films. If you're going by the logic that both films have skyscrapers in them that Batman stands on top of and that they are therefore very similar, I'm going to have trouble taking your argument seriously.

You must not read ANY of the "IWANTIWANTIWANT" posts on these boards.

Some people here want Gotham to look exactly like Burton's gotham did.

Nolan's Gotham does not look like Burton's Gotham.

Burton's gotham also looks nothing like TAS's Gotham.

Everyone here, being Bat-Fans, loves TAS. Including their Gotham. Calling it the end all, be all of Batman interpretations sometimes.

Nolan's Gotham looks CLOSER(thanks for pointing out that a cartoon city and a real city don't look exactly alike, I missed that somehow) to TAS's Gotham than any other Gotham.

Therefore, all this whining about Nolan's gotham not looking ENOUGH like Gotham is completely moot. In that Nolan's Gotham looks as similar as it can to TAS's Gotham.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

You must not read ANY of the "IWANTIWANTIWANT" posts on these boards.

Some people here want Gotham to look exactly like Burton's gotham did.

Nolan's Gotham does not look like Burton's Gotham.

Burton's gotham also looks nothing like TAS's Gotham.

Everyone here, being Bat-Fans, loves TAS. Including their Gotham. Calling it the end all, be all of Batman interpretations sometimes.

Nolan's Gotham looks CLOSER(thanks for pointing out that a cartoon city and a real city don't look exactly alike, I missed that somehow) to TAS's Gotham than any other Gotham.

Therefore, all this whining about Nolan's gotham not looking ENOUGH like Gotham is completely moot. In that Nolan's Gotham looks as similar as it can to TAS's Gotham.

No, you posted that Nolan's Gotham "looks so much like the Timm/Dini version we all love so much!", which it doesn't, they are completely different styles, I'd even argue that given TAS has an exaggerated, dark deco style that is very whimsical that it IS closer to Burton's Gotham than Nolan's, but that is a moot point. Why is it a moot point? Because its irrelevant, they are still very noticeably different, just like TAS' Gotham is very noticeably different to Nolan's, even entirely different. Suddenly changing your argument to "it looks closer than another adaptation" still makers no sense, because closer does not necessarily make it similar, just not as different as another adaptation.

And I'm pretty sure The Batman is mostly not liked on these boards and the style of Nolan's is closer to that than TAS. Moot point again because "closer" is just relative, they are still miles different.

So maybe if you gave legitimate reasons why TAS' Gotham looks so similar to Nolan's rather than it being not as different as another version, your argument would have some credibility. But you posted a picture of black monolith minimalist detailed buildings with a dark red cloudy sky with lightning against brightly coloured highly detailed buildings against a bright blue sky. The only similarities are that there are tall buildings.

 

[TheBatman072]

Want more detail? No problem:

Few shots in here as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-RZaJfUKo

And just because I can, and the SHAPE of the buildings look so much like RANDOM GENERIC SKYSCRAPERS(just like in Chicago), the first Batman intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEx9r5enZsk

So yeah. they look the same. But continue on with your "they're just black shapes!" argument.

 

[TheBatman072]

Edit.

 

[TheBatman072]

And for a little bit of homework, go buy Batman: Animated the book.

Then flip a few pages to the middle, and check out all the Gotham paintings.

They. Look. Like. Chicago.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

So yeah. they look the same. But continue on with your "they're just black shapes!" argument.

Oh, so you're back to your original argument, good, the other one was silly. Tasteful leap of logic there too, I never said they were just simply black shapes, I was pointing out how massively different the interpretations are.

Of the pictures you posted, the second one definitely feels more like TDK, but then I don't recall a shot like that ever in-series. The second one is TNBA anyway, but is very stylised, espeically with that massive highway.

And for a little bit of homework, go buy Batman: Animated the book.
Then flip a few pages to the middle, and check out all the Gotham paintings.
They. Look. Like. Chicago.

And again, you seem to not notice how fully stylised the pictures are. The videos even have the black/dark grey with yellow windows thing I was talking about. I get that there are some similarities, but ultimately BTAS and Nolan's version are amazingly different. Be it the perpetually red or cloudy sky, the World's Fair gone crazy architecture design (they talk about it a bit on the first season special features), police blimps, exaggerated structures and churches and highways, they are totally different to the gritty, (I hate to use the term) realistic, shiny Gotham of TDK, and even more gritty, urban Batman Begins.

Again, of course there's going to be similarities; big buildings with lots of windows that are black, dark grey etc, its inevitable, just as there's tons of imagery that links BTAS to Burtons films, and even a bit that links Nolan's to Burtons. But your quote of "Not to mention Nolan's gotham looks so much like Timm/Dini's Gotham that we all love so much" doesn't seem to be based on much other than occasional pics where the buildings are tall and have windows and older architecture. You seem to forget the massive amounts of dark deco, Worlds Fair progression, loads and loads of Gargoyles, dark red and cloudy sky, nightmarish looking churches and belltowers etc.