Batman killed Two-Face...

[I Am The Knight]

Heh. It's interesting to discuss both the moral implications of his death (or is it murder? ) or if he actually died, even if he was a crap Two-Face.

RobC, I think that at least at the time of filming, the intention was to have him die, but they couldn't show it because of the nature of his death in a kids movie. Although I think I read somewhere in this thread that in the DVD commentary Shucmacher hints at the possibility that he might have survided? I personally prefer to think he died, I always thought he was killed by Batman so Robin would not have to becomer a murderer.

 

[Nathan]

Heh. It's interesting to discuss both the moral implications of his death (or is it murder? ) or if he actually died, even if he was a crap Two-Face.

Is it really that interesting? I mean, Batman was already a Murderer in the first 2 Movies. Discussing morality of this scene would require Batman to be someone who doesn't kill. That's at least what I think.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Is it really that interesting? I mean, Batman was already a Murderer in the first 2 Movies. Discussing morality of this scene would require Batman to be someone who doesn't kill. That's at least what I think.

Yeah. I guess it's not really that interesting when you consider Bats' killing history, but it has provided some nice discussion.

 

[The Shape]

Batman has never truly killed anyone on film, aside from when he strapped a bomb to one of the circus goons' chest in Returns. That's more than enough to kill a person.

 

[Nathan]

Batman has never truly killed anyone on film, aside from when he strapped a bomb to one of the circus goons' chest in Returns. That's more than enough to kill a person.

And the clown that he put on fire with his Batmobile. And the countless thugs in the factory when he dropped the bomb and escaped with his Batmobile as everything around him blew up.

 

[The Shape]

And the clown that he put on fire with his Batmobile. And the countless thugs in the factory when he dropped the bomb and escaped with his Batmobile as everything around him blew up.

Yeah, those too.

 

[Vile]

And the goons he gunned down in the batwing during Joker's parade.

...not to mention that one goon he tossed down the bell tower.

 

[RobC]

Agreed, Batman had a history of murder, and I agree that they indeed intend to have Two-Face die, but the ending is ambiguous, more so with the suit in B+R. I'm just playing devils advocate, arguing for a cause I don't really believe in. It's rather refreshing.

 

[El Payaso]

And the clown that he put on fire with his Batmobile. And the countless thugs in the factory when he dropped the bomb and escaped with his Batmobile as everything around him blew up.

Did the clown on fire die? With all that snow to roll over?

 

[BlueLightning]

Did the clown on fire die? With all that snow to roll over?

Even if he survived, that doesn´t change the fact that he put him on fire.

 

[MrSmith1114]

Yeah, if you set someone on fire, you're clearly intending to make sure that they don't survive.

It's attempted murder if they don't die.

 

[El Payaso]

Even if he survived, that doesn´t change the fact that he put him on fire.

That doesn't change the fact it is not killing as it was suggested.

Yeah, if you set someone on fire, you're clearly intending to make sure that they don't survive.



It's attempted murder if they don't die.

If the guy is surrounded by snow or water then it's an attempt to scare the hell out of him only.

 

[Two-Face]

Batman killed Two-Face, which I thought Schumacher's Dark Knight was suppose to be against killing.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That doesn't change the fact it is not killing as it was suggested.



If the guy is surrounded by snow or water then it's an attempt to scare the hell out of him only.

When I set one of my friends on fire this winter, that's what I'll tell the cops too. "I wasn't trying to kill him, I was just trying to scare him! What's the big deal? There was snow around."

 

[Crook]

Yeah...but it's Batman.

 

[Two-Face]

Batman doesn't kill.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Batman killed him by letting him die. Ra's isn't Superman. He had zero opportunity to get out unscathed. Trying to escape from that height, with a train going that fast, even if he attempted escape, he would have died.

Choosing to let someone die when you have the ability and chance to save them IS murder. At least Burton didn't try to uphold that comic standard and then relent at the end like Nolan did. Ridiculous and an insult to the modern Batman he was supposed to be adapting.

Miss them days Batman carried around a gun and would shoot it at criminals.

 

[El Payaso]

When I set one of my friends on fire this winter, that's what I'll tell the cops too. "I wasn't trying to kill him, I was just trying to scare him! What's the big deal? There was snow around."

So, were Batman and that demon guy friends?

Or are your friends criminals that were putting innocent people on stake and you are a crimefighter?

Otherwise your example fails.


When I let one of my friends fall from a third story, that's what I'll tell the cops too. "I wasn't trying to kill him, I was just trying to scare him! What's the big deal? I just crippled the guy."

 

[I Am The Knight]

Burton's Batman is clearly a bit of a murderer, and I'm fine with that. Also, he does not seem to care about criminals, so he can set them on fire without remorse.

Shumacher's Batman was toned down, I don't think he killed anyone...Except Two-Face.

 

[El Payaso]

Burton's Batman is clearly a bit of a murderer, and I'm fine with that. Also, he does not seem to care about criminals, so he can set them on fire without remorse.

Burton's Batman only care for crimianls is that they can't keep killing or attacking innocent people.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Burton's Batman only care for crimianls is that they can't keep killing or attacking innocent people.

Agreed.

 

[bane]

Well Batman even killed in the Nolanverse, so I don't know what's the big deal about it?

 

[ChocheTheHero]

Anyone will prepare a video with Batman´s victims on cinema?

 

[El Payaso]

Well Batman even killed in the Nolanverse, so I don't know what's the big deal about it?

All that discusion about Batman doesn't kill blah blah. Nolan is teh faithful to the comics etc etc.

 

[bane]

All that discusion about Batman doesn't kill blah blah. Nolan is teh faithful to the comics etc etc.

Tell that to the garbage truck driver in TDk! LOL