Batman OYL discussion thread

[Rynan]

I'll never understand why Batman does that. It's like keeping photographs in your living room of people who try to murder you on a regular basis.

True, but they also fail on a regular basis, thus making him more superior than them. More badass, some might say...

 

[The Joker]

True, but they also fail on a regular basis, thus making him more superior than them. More badass, some might say...

Whether they succeed or not is irrelevant. These villains hurt and kill innocent people on a regular basis. In fact one of them crippled a good friend of Batman's, killed Robin, and murdered his good friend's wife.

And yet Batman has some kind of wierd Joker trophy thing displayed in the Batcave, like it's something to be proud of.

I just find it really wierd. I mean these trophys he has displayed look cool and all. But why he has them strewed around the Batcave like ornaments is just bizarre IMO.

 

[Rynan]

Whether they succeed or not is irrelevant. These villains hurt and kill innocent people on a regular basis. In fact one of them crippled a good friend of Batman's, killed Robin, and murdered his good friend's wife.

And yet Batman has some kind of wierd Joker trophy thing displayed in the Batcave, like it's something to be proud of.

I just find it really wierd. I mean these trophys he has displayed look cool and all. But why he has them strewed around the Batcave like ornaments is just bizarre IMO.

Okay time for the serious answer.

Batman lost his childhood right? Maybe he's inadvertentley compensating by having his very own play room, filled with the trophies of his past cases. Maybe something for him to marvel at and say "and I stopped them". Maybe they also become symbols of his success in fighting the war against crime or maybe his losses, take your pick. It could be anything.

 

[Rynan]

Oop, double post!

 

[Rynan]

Triple post, ****!

 

[The Joker]

Okay time for the serious answer.

Batman lost his childhood right? Maybe he's inadvertentley compensating by having his very own play room, filled with the trophies of his past cases. Maybe something for him to marvel at and say "and I stopped them". Maybe they also become symbols of his success in fighting the war against crime or maybe his losses, take your pick. It could be anything.

Ok, the trophys from past cases I can understand. The large dinosaur, the giant penny, his dad's old Batman costume etc. Those are little mementos from cases he's solved. Alot of detectives do that, except they probably use newspaper clippings in a scrap book.

But why he has shrines to the scum that do these terrible things makes no sense to me. I think he even has some of Penguin's umbrella weapons in a display case, along with a Penguin statue sitting on top.

I'm not bashing it. I do think they look cool and all. But it's just wierd that Batman would want mementos from the actual fiends who do these terrible things, displayed all around him, like eerie photographs or something.

 

[Goddamn_Batman]

Okay time for the serious answer.

Batman lost his childhood right? Maybe he's inadvertentley compensating by having his very own play room, filled with the trophies of his past cases. Maybe something for him to marvel at and say "and I stopped them". Maybe they also become symbols of his success in fighting the war against crime or maybe his losses, take your pick. It could be anything.

I've never assumed his "trophies" to symbolize anything but that. People keep reminders from important or tragic events in their lives, out of respect (ie Jason Todd's uniform) or as a reminder of something they've done or must continue to do (ie the masks). It might be easy to compare his collectible-filled Batcave to the carcass-laden wall of a hunting lodge, but Batman's objects are more meaningful symbols than show-offy trophies.

 

[The Joker]

People keep reminders from important or tragic events in their lives, out of respect (ie Jason Todd's uniform) or as a reminder of something they've done or must continue to do (ie the masks).

I always saw Jason's costume in the Batcave as a headstone of sorts. It even has a little message engraved on it that says something like: "Jason Todd: He was a good soldier".

I mean that's my point. Having something like that is understandable. He loved Jason. It's a mark of respect for his time as Robin.

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

bump

 

[Mister J]

I really liked DC 821. A nice little one-shot after the Face the Face crossover. Dini really got at Batman's detective skills and that carried the story for me. The BTAS influence is clear and has been mentioned.
I'm looking forward to the rest of the Dini's run.

About the collection of masks, it is kind of morbid, but I always thought that was the point. It's a reminder of the criminal element that he faces on a nightly basis. As it was mentioned earlier, those are his 'trophies'; spoils of his War on Crime and a representation of all the lunatics out there. You could even look at the symbolism of the mask. Batman's donning of the cowl allows him to show his true face (via the mask). Perhaps by taking the criminal's mask, he's taking part of their identity, striking at their core and getting closer to ridding Gotham of the evil that robbed him of his parents.

...or not. Enough mumbo-jumbo on my part. That was kickass intro to Dini's run.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

I always saw Jason's costume in the Batcave as a headstone of sorts. It even has a little message engraved on it that says something like: "Jason Todd: He was a good soldier".

I mean that's my point. Having something like that is understandable. He loved Jason. It's a mark of respect for his time as Robin.

i don't whats the problem is. hell the flash has his own museum, just like bats does, where it shows the past flashes and all of their rogues.

 

[Anubis]

Only problem with that is that the people of central city made the museum for the Flash. bat's kinda took it upon himself to make his own.

Bat's just keeps stuff in his cave, kinda like a trophy room. No different than having a bear skin rug and some moose heads on the wall.

 

[The Joker]

i don't whats the problem is. hell the flash has his own museum, just like bats does, where it shows the past flashes and all of their rogues.

I never said it was a problem. I do think the trophies look cool and all. I said it was wierd.

Why would any hero would want mementos of the people who constantly try to kill him and cause chaos and misery in the city is just bizarre IMO. That's all.

 

[sinewave]

i thought the story was really good. i especially liked the part where bruce was schmoozing the chick at the afterhours club to see if she was involved in the scheme. the writing was tight and fast-paced. the art was also really good, especially the inventive layouts. the only problem i had with it was, as cerealkiller182 mentioned, bruce looked a little weird, almost ugly. anywho, great book. can't wait for the next one!

 

[Binker]

Moved from the thread that was a mistake.

Here is my review to DETECTIVE COMICS #821

PLOT:
Gotham's wealthiest citizens find themselves victimized by the mysterious new villain Facade. Operating with a gang trained to pass as members of the cities' elite, the masked mastermind's crimes baffle the police and leave members of Gotham society fearing for their lives. It's up to Batman to use a "facade" of his own, that of socialite Bruce Wayne, in order to bait the villain's underlings and discover the true identity of their elusive leader.

REVIEW:

Lets start with a "wow" for this issue. Paul Dini has written something that gives us a detective mystery feeling page by page, and above all to all DCAU fans; an issue that feels like its an episode of Batman: The Animated Series. Even the text in the boxes of the panels are written like the letters from the BTAS logo. Including the talk between Batman & Robin, Batman & Gordon, Bruce and Alfred, even the final lines of the issue have all these feelings from the show. The only thing that doesn't have that feeling, from Dini's writing, are those boxes that sound like the Dini/Ross book: BATMAN: WAR ON CRIME.

At first I thought that would be it for the review, but I decided that I should talk about the new villian. Simiply because he is NEW. The villian, Facade, is pretty weird. He must have an obsession for dummies as he collects them. He must have this thing for faceless people as he also wears a mask that covers his face so you can't see inside and reflects everything. A villain that was a nobody that wanted to be a somebody and knew how to get that.

Overall; this was nice. Now, this isn't an arc at all. At first I thought it was but it seems it isn't. The next issue is different that this. The only thing these issues of Detective Comics share is the cover by Simone Bianchi. I could be wrong if the next issue picks up where this left off, which the next ones don't have anything that seem to come from this issue. And that the title doesn't have Part 1 next to it. So this is one story issue. The next will be new and un-connected to this one.

RATING: 9/10

 

[The Batman]

Knowing Morrison, how?

i mean his writing style and such. like new xmen, which was pretty controversial at the time

 

[The Batman]

Okay time for the serious answer.

Batman lost his childhood right? Maybe he's inadvertentley compensating by having his very own play room, filled with the trophies of his past cases. Maybe something for him to marvel at and say "and I stopped them". Maybe they also become symbols of his success in fighting the war against crime or maybe his losses, take your pick. It could be anything.

Most people theorize that that's why he keeps these objects. its a perfectly solid reason.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I'll never understand why Batman does that. It's like keeping photographs in your living room of people who try to murder you on a regular basis.

Yeah, that is definitely one of the more weird things that Bruce Wayne has done with the batcave. But that just adds more to the deeply scarred psyche of Batman/Bruce Wayne.

As someone else said, it could just be just a reminder that shows Batman has always come out on top over these villains, no matter how badly beaten he seemed.

 

[Darthphere]

I love this issue and wish more people would do stand alone issues. Look at Jonah Hex, one of my favorite comics out now, stand alones. They work people.

 

[Castle]

This issue was great... just what batman was needing and even more of what the Detective book was needing.

If you head to the DC site it seems that Dini is just doing oneshots on this book. The next one is about a reformed riddler, and the one in Sept is about Posion Ivy. I love this idea, even more so because it looks like it will give us a look at each villian in this new one year later.

Dini has the talent to write this one shots and not leave us feeling ripped off. I'll keep reading.

 

[Darthphere]

Why was this moved to to the Batman forums?

 

[SpideyInATree]

Why was this moved to to the Batman forums?

The Bat forums were feeling lonely.

 

[Darthphere]

The Bat forums were feeling lonely.

Looks like it. Just find it odd. Last time I checked Batman was a DC comic.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah...oh well. I've got it in my User CP so it doesn't really matter which forum that it's in

 

[cryptic name]

Under the Hood: treated Zatanna with extreme disrespect


JLA: Tower of Babel: came up with contingency plans to defeat the members of the JLA and other superheroes


Infinite Crisis: tells Superman that he is no longer inspiring

1. how would you treat the person who violated your mind just to cover their ass and avoid owning up to their actions?

2. of course he has contingencies against the league. most of them are near unstoppable forces, look at what happened with superman and maxwell lord.

3. he's not.