Batman R.I.P.

[sclabguy]

^it's already on tpb, it was kind of boring, too many crossovers IMO... Dini's epilogue at the end was awesome though

 

[Nepenthes]

is it necessary to buy all 20 issues to understand the story like the resurrection of ra's? thats a lot of money lol, if i just bought the batman one would i be ok? i already get detective anyway

you don;t need the Ra's arc but pretty much every other issue ties in somehow

I dont think anyone on this planet is crazy enough to completely rape Batmans origin like that, its such a beautiful, operatic origin.

If by some small chance, all this is true, it would make One More Day look like a pulitzer winner.

the origin stays exactly the same for Batman though. It's too far back to make any real difference now. His parents died and it pissed him off.




as soon as things become sacriligeous in comics I think it's time to stop reading again. Batman will be good while Morrisons on it then it will turn lousy for another five years while new writers try new gimmicks and retcons, *as they always do*. But not everyone does it as skillfully as Morrison. Honestly when was the last time you read a Batman comic and felt such a sense of impending dread? I'd much rather have good comics now than stories which are 'right' or wrong.

 

[Tvar10]

you don;t need the Ra's arc but pretty much every other issue ties in somehow

thanks, i guess ill be getting everyone then

 

[Batman]

Honestly when was the last time you read a Batman comic and felt such a sense of impending dread?

That's the problem, though.

Half of the fans are reading this and thinking, "Man! This is good stuff. Really exciting twists and turns. Can't wait to see how this affects Bruce in the long run. "

The other half are reading this and thinking, "...Oh man, please don't tell me he's really going to do that to the Batman mythos. "

And while I hate to admit it, I'm in the latter category right now.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

That's the problem, though.

Half of the fans are reading this and thinking, "Man! This is good stuff. Really exciting twists and turns. Can't wait to see how this affects Bruce in the long run. "

The other half are reading this and thinking, "...Oh man, please don't tell me he's really going to do that to the Batman mythos. "

And while I hate to admit it, I'm in the latter category right now.

I'm in the same boat as you.

But I don't hate admitting it.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

I dunno...

On one hand, with this being Morrison, he probably has a few other tricks up his sleeve that'll bring this back.

On the other hand, with this being Morrison, he might be crazy enough to actually do it.

I'll wait until there's a conclusive answer until my mind is fully made up.

 

[Nepenthes]

I don't think he'd introduce all this just to completelty take it back or disprove it. Isn't it most likely he make it unreliable? We'll never know if it's true, Bruce will never know but he'll just have to decide by faith that his parents were the good people he believed them to be.

 

[David Rice]

^it's already on tpb, it was kind of boring, too many crossovers IMO... Dini's epilogue at the end was awesome though

What book is the epilogue in?

 

[Batman]

The issue is Detective Comics #840.

 

[CrimsonMist]

The issue is Detective Comics #840.

and the fact that that isn't reprinted in the collected edition is what kept me from buying it. The story was alright, but not worth buying the hardcover, and the lack of including that issue gave me more of a reason not to buy it.

anyways, this R.I.P. thing is interesting. But i have to ask: has anyone read that one elseworld title called Detective #27 by Michael Uslan? Basically, the idea is that

Spoiler

The book takes place in 1939, but Thomas Wayne isn't dead. He's part of some insidious organization that dates back to the civil war, hellbent on taking over the world. He killed Martha because she was getting more and more suspicious of Thomas, and Thomas faked his own death. The murderers(taking liberties from Burton's film) were hired hitmen, part of the same organization Thomas Wayne is part of.Also, Alfred is revealed as a spy for another organization whose purpose is to defeat the organization Thomas is a part of.

After reading the newest issue, i was really kind of disapointed that Morrison kind of borrowed that angle. I thought the concepts were too similar. Add that to the fact that Morrison wants to turn Bruce into a bum, like Miller did Daredevil in "Born Again" and this whole thing seems a bit lackluster.

 

[DW4]

Picked up my issue today. I think Black Glove is spreading all these lies to mess with Bruce mentally and that what he has fought for his whole life has been a lie and his parents were actually terrible people. I hope this is the route Morrison is taking and not going with the idea they were that.

I'm slowly leaning towards the idea of Alfred being Black Glove, I think having Thomas Wayne still alive would be boring and dumb. I was leaning towards Jet being Black Glove. Were only at Part 2 though and we have plenty of story to go, sadly we have 1 month to wait until the next issue.

If Jet isn't Black Glove I want her killed off.

Oh and Final Crisis was totally boring and awful, throwing away MM like that. Its only the 1st issue so I'm not worried.

 

[stillanerd]

and the fact that that isn't reprinted in the collected edition is what kept me from buying it. The story was alright, but not worth buying the hardcover, and the lack of including that issue gave me more of a reason not to buy it.

anyways, this R.I.P. thing is interesting. But i have to ask: has anyone read that one elseworld title called Detective #27 by Michael Uslan? Basically, the idea is that

Spoiler

The book takes place in 1939, but Thomas Wayne isn't dead. He's part of some insidious organization that dates back to the civil war, hellbent on taking over the world. He killed Martha because she was getting more and more suspicious of Thomas, and Thomas faked his own death. The murderers(taking liberties from Burton's film) were hired hitmen, part of the same organization Thomas Wayne is part of.Also, Alfred is revealed as a spy for another organization whose purpose is to defeat the organization Thomas is a part of.

After reading the newest issue, i was really kind of disapointed that Morrison kind of borrowed that angle. I thought the concepts were too similar. Add that to the fact that Morrison wants to turn Bruce into a bum, like Miller did Daredevil in "Born Again" and this whole thing seems a bit lackluster.

Or perhaps the "truth" about Thomas and Martha Wayne is just an elaborate fabrication created by "Black Glove" as part of his effort to destroy Batman, and that Morrison is making reference to [blackout]Detective #27[/blackout]to be used as the "story" behind the fabrication. After all, Morrison has been making references to all sorts of Batman continuity in his run, why not that?

Also, here's an idea to float out there: since Morrison seems to like to make references to the Silver Age, does anyone remember who Bruce Wayne original guardian was before it was retconned into being Alfred? It was Thomas Wayne's brother, Philip, who, if I remember correctly, no longer existed after COIE. Well, what if that's not the case? What if the "Black Glove" or the guy in charge of the Club of Villains not only was responsible for the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne, but that the murderer was Philip Wayne, Thomas's own brother (and perhaps identical twin?) Why? Because Thomas "stole" Martha, the woman he loved away from him. Alfred knew about this but decided to keep the knowledge from Bruce, believing that it would destroy Bruce knowing that the man who killed his father was also his only living relative. Too much of a stretch?

 

[phillyboy]

That's the problem, though.

Half of the fans are reading this and thinking, "Man! This is good stuff. Really exciting twists and turns. Can't wait to see how this affects Bruce in the long run. "

The other half are reading this and thinking, "...Oh man, please don't tell me he's really going to do that to the Batman mythos. "

And while I hate to admit it, I'm in the latter category right now.

I think you just nailed it. After what Marvel did with Spidey, I'm praying that DC doesnt make the same mistake.

 

[Mladen]

Or perhaps the "truth" about Thomas and Martha Wayne is just an elaborate fabrication created by "Black Glove" as part of his effort to destroy Batman, and that Morrison is making reference to [blackout]Detective #27[/blackout]to be used as the "story" behind the fabrication. After all, Morrison has been making references to all sorts of Batman continuity in his run, why not that?

Also, here's an idea to float out there: since Morrison seems to like to make references to the Silver Age, does anyone remember who Bruce Wayne original guardian was before it was retconned into being Alfred? It was Thomas Wayne's brother, Philip, who, if I remember correctly, no longer existed after COIE. Well, what if that's not the case? What if the "Black Glove" or the guy in charge of the Club of Villains not only was responsible for the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne, but that the murderer was Philip Wayne, Thomas's own brother (and perhaps identical twin?) Why? Because Thomas "stole" Martha, the woman he loved away from him. Alfred knew about this but decided to keep the knowledge from Bruce, believing that it would destroy Bruce knowing that the man who killed his father was also his only living relative. Too much of a stretch?

its not ENOUGH of a stretch. Instead of brothers, they're the same person but from different universes, Bruce is a clone of Philip, and this whole time Alfred was a robot programmed by the Grant Morrison who appears in his own comic?

 

[Joker]

its not ENOUGH of a stretch. Instead of brothers, they're the same person but from different universes, Bruce is a clone of Philip, and this whole time Alfred was a robot programmed by the Grant Morrison who appears in his own comic?

With that last part you're getting into some Animal Man s**t

 

[Nepenthes]

^ i bet the black glove is the hand that writes the tragedy and the white glove is the hand that writes the good Alfred is the puppet master Tom Wayne the producer and Morrison the director.

 

[GrendelPrime32]

have to say, that was a fun read...Definitely looking forward to the next chapter...

 

[CrimsonMist]

Or perhaps the "truth" about Thomas and Martha Wayne is just an elaborate fabrication created by "Black Glove" as part of his effort to destroy Batman, and that Morrison is making reference to [blackout]Detective #27[/blackout]to be used as the "story" behind the fabrication. After all, Morrison has been making references to all sorts of Batman continuity in his run, why not that?

Also, here's an idea to float out there: since Morrison seems to like to make references to the Silver Age, does anyone remember who Bruce Wayne original guardian was before it was retconned into being Alfred? It was Thomas Wayne's brother, Philip, who, if I remember correctly, no longer existed after COIE. Well, what if that's not the case? What if the "Black Glove" or the guy in charge of the Club of Villains not only was responsible for the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne, but that the murderer was Philip Wayne, Thomas's own brother (and perhaps identical twin?) Why? Because Thomas "stole" Martha, the woman he loved away from him. Alfred knew about this but decided to keep the knowledge from Bruce, believing that it would destroy Bruce knowing that the man who killed his father was also his only living relative. Too much of a stretch?

so something similar to Gotham By Gaslight then?

Spoiler

Jack The Ripper is really Thomas Wayne's good friend, and Bruce's "uncle" who had Martha and Thomas killed because he loved Martha and Martha just laughed at him and was jealous of Thomas?

I'm not saying it's a bad idea taking bits and pieces from Batman history to incorporate into Batman's downfall, i actually think it's interesting. I just don't find it very exciting. Aside from this Doctor Hurt fellow from the Robin Dies At Dawn story and the effects of that story itself, i don't find myself going "WOW!" over it. Maybe it's just because i'm familiar with everything that it just seems "meh", but i don't know. I'll keep reading it. Hopefully it picks up. I want to see where Morrison goes with the Giant Statue from Robin Dies At Dawn that showed up on the monitor at the end of the issue.

what does everyone think about Zur-En-Aarh showing up again?

 

[Nepenthes]

Batmans cave had four Robin costumes in displays, one of them was Jason Todds circus costume which is pre Crisis on Infinity Earths, it's not supposed to exist . But I wonder if there's a point to so many displays since we've never seen it like that before - exepct for the future 666 issue, which was the first time there was four cases.

 

[Joker]

Guys, I think we're all doing to ourselves here the same thing we did with Hush. Missing the answer that's right in front of our faces. The Black Glove is obviously Tommy Elliot

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Guys, I think we're all doing to ourselves here the same thing we did with Hush. Missing the answer that's right in front of our faces. The Black Glove is obviously Tommy Elliot

Umm, bingo!

 

[DW4]

Wouldn't be surprised. Haha.

 

[ryche]

Anyone else notice the Tumbler was in the batcave in the latest issue?

 

[ryche]

I think Doctor Hurt is Thomas Wayne.

 

[Hole Shot]

Batman #677, came out today.

Just finished reading 677 and in regards to this scene, no one has pointed out yet that Black Glove establishes in the very first scene of 676 that he is powerful enough to manipulate the past. And before we get to the above scene in 677, Black Glove claims he's about to turn Batman/Bruce's world upside and "what we are about to do will be a work of art".