^ I think the atmousphere was slighty too gloomy to be honest, but i agree on the score and the casting, they were both perfect.
BR is one of my all time favourite movies, I watched it A LOT and yet there are some things that I don't like/understand.
Doesn't it look stupid when Batman defeats an entire gang of deadly circus freaks but then he can't handle Catwoman (who yesterday was just an secretary)?
When Batman fights Penguin who without a problem gets from him remote controller, ignites rockets on pengiun's back and suddently... the bats come from Batboat and attacks him? It looked cool but was really forced and cheap IMO. What do you think about it?
I don't misunderstand BATMAN RETURNS at all - I fully understand a lot of the stuff Burton put in there, and the artistry that went into it. But I don't believe it turns out a coherent film, or that it is really a great "Batman" film.
Did anyone ever notice on the full screen edition of the film that if you look between batman and the penguin right when Catwoman is doing backflips toward them after she blows up shrecks, there is a catwoman double or something between them kneeling there. It's only on the full screen version for some reason.
it was alright...it would have been much better though if they had let Burton do what he wanted to with it (Harvey Dent instead of Max Shreck, non mutant Penguin, introduction of Robin, etc...)...this was really the WB's first step in destroying the Bat-Franchise
Burton wanted to waste Robin by making him a mechanic in a 10-second cameo. I'm glad Warners stopped him. Also, the 'mutant Penguin' idea was all Burton's, it was Warners who forced him to make the character resemble the classic version by having him dress up like a 1930's aristocrat (note on the Batman Returns DVD/video cover, the Penguin looks far more like the classic Penguin than he ever does in the movie).
From UGO:
This is the one Batman film that came close to the tone of the comic book, and Bob Kane's original character creation, for that matter. Understand this, once and for all: Bruce Wayne is a PSYCHOTIC. He witnessed his PARENTS' MURDER. He dresses up as a BAT. He is not a healthy man. The truly well-done Batman stories are dark, gothic, despairing and nihilistic nightmare yarns, in which mentally ill characters, both good and evil, go to vaudevillian extremes to express their psychoses. They become tragic clowns, all of them, and Tim Burton understood this. This is the Batman movie he wanted to make, with little to no studio interference. This is as close as it's going to get, folks. Cherish it, or you can't call yourself a Batman fan. The only reason this unpleasant, ghoulish film had to pull some of its punches to get a friendly rating is because it's the sequel to the inferior (though still solid) original, which made a kazillion dollars.