BvS Batman/Superman Pushed Back to 2016 - Part 1

[Poni_Boy]

Kinda happens when you are on a streak and are making money for the studio.

No argument from me. I don't like his writing but I respect his business decisions. He's one of the hardest working guys out there right now (doing both TV and movies). One day I think he'll make a very good producer.

 

[Marvin]

Name ONE version of Batman from any animated series that we've had since Batman: TAS where Batman's smarts and pure determination wasn't the major reason for the victories achieved in most of the battles with the big time villains?

That doesn't make him a god. It doesn't even make him Luthor.
It seemingly just annoys fans of other heroes.

A man who uses his brains and resources to exploit the weaknesses of super powered dudes isn't a god, he's batman(worlds greatest and strong willed detective) baby

http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/Intellect-Resources/Knowledge/jla26-batmindcontrol4.jpg.html

This sort of thing actually bothers people? Would they much rather have a Batman that throws firecrackers at bane?

 

[Herolee10]

That doesn't make him a god. It doesn't even make him Luthor.
It seemingly just annoys fans of other heroes.

A man who uses his brains and resources to exploit the weaknesses of super powered dudes isn't a god, he's batman(worlds greatest and strong willed detective) baby

http://s289.photobucket.com/user/darknight2k/media/Intellect-Resources/Knowledge/jla26-batmindcontrol4.jpg.html

This sort of thing actually bothers people? Would they much rather have a Batman that throws firecrackers at bane?

I was more referring to how often it happened within the JLU and other animated series.

Batman was responsible for making Darkseid call off his attack on Superman in Apokoplipse and allowing supergirl to go after Batman threatened to blow up the planet....Batman saves the entire JLU and defeats them as well when they were being mind controlled in "The Batman" animated series. Batman is also the only JL member to never turn to the dark side and remain in that place in the alternate world.

Point being, Batman is never portrayed in a bad way when under Bruce Timm's control. Heroes rarely get the spotlight from batman in any show he's involved in.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Name ONE version of Batman from any animated series that we've had since Batman: TAS where Batman's smarts and pure determination wasn't the major reason for the victories achieved in most of the battles with the big time villains?

Yes, Bruce Timm clearly doesn't care about anyone else other than Batman. That is why he produced the Justice League show that made people care about HAWKGIRL of all people. The show that made The Question a major supporting character in it's third or fourth season. The show that used John Stewart for their Green Lantern instead of the obvious choices and made him a major part of the series.

Yep. He only cares about Batman. No one else.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I was more referring to how often it happened within the JLU and other animated series.

Batman was responsible for making Darkseid call off his attack on Superman in Apokoplipse and allowing supergirl to go after Batman threatened to blow up the planet....Batman saves the entire JLU and defeats them as well when they were being mind controlled in "The Batman" animated series. Batman is also the only JL member to never turn to the dark side and remain in that place in the alternate world.

Point being, Batman is never portrayed in a bad way when under Bruce Timm's control. Heroes rarely get the spotlight from batman in any show he's involved in.

Tonally Timm's DCAU is like this image

Not the story, but the image

 

[D.P.]

People just want to see Batman get crushed by someone with superhuman strength and can't suspend their disbelief for some reason.

 

[Wise]

Tonally Timm's DCAU is like this image

Not the story, but the image

I do love that story though.

Such a shame that Ra's Al Ghul never returned for Justice League Animated.

He would have been an amazing foe. Stupid "The Batman" embargo.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I was more referring to how often it happened within the JLU and other animated series.

Batman was responsible for making Darkseid call off his attack on Superman in Apokoplipse and allowing supergirl to go after Batman threatened to blow up the planet....Batman saves the entire JLU and defeats them as well when they were being mind controlled in "The Batman" animated series. Batman is also the only JL member to never turn to the dark side and remain in that place in the alternate world.

Point being, Batman is never portrayed in a bad way when under Bruce Timm's control. Heroes rarely get the spotlight from batman in any show he's involved in.

Always kind of bugged me if I thought about it.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I do love that story though.

Such a shame that Ra's Al Ghul never returned for Justice League Animated.

He would have been an amazing foe. Stupid "The Batman" embargo.

Ra's in JL/JLU would have been sweet - preferably before it became JLU though. IDK why I just see it working better that way.

Wasn't he an old deathly man when the DCAU last left him anyway (re: his appearance in the Superman (Superman/Batman) animated series)?

 

[Marvin]

I was more referring to how often it happened within the JLU and other animated series.

Batman was responsible for making Darkseid call off his attack on Superman in Apokoplipse and allowing supergirl to go after Batman threatened to blow up the planet....Batman saves the entire JLU and defeats them as well when they were being mind controlled in "The Batman" animated series. Batman is also the only JL member to never turn to the dark side and remain in that place in the alternate world.

Point being, Batman is never portrayed in a bad way when under Bruce Timm's control. Heroes rarely get the spotlight from batman in any show he's involved in.

Pretty sure your first example was a direct adaptation from the comic books, can't really fault timm for that. I'm also pretty sure all the other hero's played a cool part in that story.
Pretty sure "The Batman" has nothing to do with Timm. Then again I could be wrong.
As for your last example, if you look past the bias here, batman is the only current hero on that roster with an origin clearly rooted in choice and corruption, unlike say GL, or better yet flash(ironically), powers were given to them and they were pointed in the right direction(for lack of a better analysis). I could go on the explain the others(wondy in particular) but I'd rather stick to the point, batman's motivations are conducive to that particular direction. All that being said, Batman was a full fledged member of the Justice Lords if I remember correctly. The only person that wasn't was Flash no?

So it's not the bat god, not even the spot light(seeing as just about every hero got their own episodes), but rather that he's never portrayed in a bad way? Seems like an odd critique.
Either way I'm pretty sure Tower of Babel put the kabosh on that, than again that was another adaptation from the comics.

 

[sf2]

Marvel Studios by itself, not counting Fox or Sony, is making more Marvel movies than WB is making DC movies. There have been 8 movies in the Marvel cinematic universe, whereas there has only been 1 movie in the DC cinematic universe. You can take Fox and Sony out of the equation altogether and Marvel is still dominating by far.



I think you're right. And that by definition means that WB doesn't believe in DC like Disney believes in Marvel. And I suppose it means that WB has less of an incentive to have an actual plan for their DC properties. It's a shame that DC is in the hands of people who don't really care about them.



Nah there's been fans that have been angry with WB for a loooong time. When they screwed around with Superman for 20 years, Batman & Robin, when every single idea and bit of news coming out for over a decade was the worst thing you could possibly imagine, when Superman Returns failed, and especially when Green Lantern turned out to be an atrocity. This latest thing is just another kick in the groin after being battered for years.

You r right. N MOS isn't a acclaimed success as spidey 1, IM 1 n BB in the eyes of the hardcore fans, the movie industry as well as the general audiences.

We all knew that MOS was made because of the court case n lost of right if they failed to make one by 2013. There was no sequel plan as informed by Zack during the making that he would go all out for the movie.
it's a fair assumption that the Wayne logo was never planned. It was added later due to the success of the avengers. The BvS concept is a afterthought. There isn't any draft script during MOS release. It's only began to develop after the announcement by Zack.

Greetings eats in. WB wants JL and get all the characters introduced in BvS. The script becomes a super big mess.
delay as the only outcome.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Marvel Studios by itself, not counting Fox or Sony, is making more Marvel movies than WB is making DC movies. There have been 8 movies in the Marvel cinematic universe, whereas there has only been 1 movie in the DC cinematic universe. You can take Fox and Sony out of the equation altogether and Marvel is still dominating by far.

Warner Brothers have been busy making billion dollar franchises out of Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, The Hobbit, Alice in Wonderland etc, not to mention films like the Hangover series providing massive profit, usually more than blockbusters. Then we've got their oscarbait films. Marvel studios are releasing 2 films a year, when they start releasing 20, then you can legititimately complain about Warner Brothers not using properties.

I think you're right. And that by definition means that WB doesn't believe in DC like Disney believes in Marvel. And I suppose it means that WB has less of an incentive to have an actual plan for their DC properties. It's a shame that DC is in the hands of people who don't really care about them.

It's true WB likely doesn't care about the actual franchise. But they're businessmen, not fans.

 

[craigdbfan]

Thanks to herolee for mentioning this.

It looks like we all missed some relatively important info from Jennifer Garner at the SAG Awards the other day. She has seen Affleck in the suit and went on to tell the interviewer that it's a "total reinvention" and that it's "unbelievably cool".

Here's the actual clip.

http://www.etonline.com/awards/1426...fleck_s_Bat_Suit_Unbelievably_Cool/index.html

We can now have at least some peace of mind that Affleck in all likelihood is still involved. Garner seemed excited to talk about the suit.

 

[Lord]

It's true WB likely doesn't care about the actual franchise. But they're businessmen, not fans.

It's their job taking it seriously, thousands of fans have already given hundreds of suggestions

 

[Tequilla]

This whole thing stinks since day 0. I probably can't imagine how bad the script really was.

So more time is always good.

 

[BH/HHH]

This whole thing stinks since day 0. I probably can't imagine how bad the script really was.

So more time is always good.

Shootings only been delayed by two months, and anyway whose saying the script is that bad? You're just assuming. There could be many factors as to why its been delayed.

 

[BH/HHH]

I do love that story though.

Such a shame that Ra's Al Ghul never returned for Justice League Animated.

He would have been an amazing foe. Stupid "The Batman" embargo.

I'd call it more a Nolan embargo, The Batman wasn't allowed to use Two Face or Ra's Al Ghul either because of the films.

 

[AnneFan]

It looks like we all missed some relatively important info from Jennifer Garner at the SAG Awards the other day. She has seen Affleck in the suit and went on to tell the interviewer that it's a "total reinvention" and that it's "unbelievably cool".

Excellent. I'm hoping Affleck has a lengthy stint in the role.

Forgive my ignorance, but has filming itself been pushed back as well or just the release date?

 

[Herolee10]

Excellent. I'm hoping Affleck has a lengthy stint in the role.

Forgive my ignorance, but has filming itself been pushed back as well or just the release date?

Filming as well has been pushed back. They'll still film in 2014, but it won't be in February as originally planned.

 

[AnneFan]

Filming as well has been pushed back. They'll still film in 2014, but it won't be in February as originally planned.

The adventure of following the film this year continues, then. Bring on filming and the spy pics, etc that comes with it. We just have to wait a bit longer for the end result.

 

[Herolee10]

The adventure of following the film this year continues, then. Bring on filming and the spy pics, etc that comes with it. We just have to wait a bit longer for the end result.

It's going to pretty much be like how we had waited for MOS to be released.

Filming started in the Summer of 2011, and we were only told like a month or two in that the project would be released in the Summer of 2013, and not in Winter 2012 as originally scheduled. So once we got every bit of spy photo that we possibly could, it was a long wait before the Summer of 2012 came were we got our first official footage from the Teaser Trailers and the Bootlegged Comic Con one.

I think the worst dry spell period though was during the remainder of 2012 where we pretty much didn't get anything until winter 2012, where the first theatrical trailer was released.

Now assuming if the rumors are true that they'll be filming a JL film not long after this film in order to release it sometime in 2017, then the waiting period won't be as bad since we'll be able to focus on spy set photos and related articles for the JL film during the second half of 2015, which is pretty much slated at the moment to be the worst of our waiting period for this film.

 

[titansupes]

I remember just a couple of weeks ago when we were all saying "Well, at least the tight schedule means we won't see any of those damn dry spells like MoS! Remember how much those sucked?! PHEW!!"

 

[BigA]

I think this article makes a good sense of why it was delayed for 10 months.

Why 'Batman Vs. Superman' Had To Be Delayed For 10 Months.

 

[Dr.]

I think this article makes a good sense of why it was delayed for 10 months.

Why 'Batman Vs. Superman' Had To Be Delayed For 10 Months.

Indeed. Some seemed to interpret postponing the release by 10 months as “the production is behind by 10 months!” - therefore the sky is falling. But it’s all about the optimal release window.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, that Forbes article really puts a lot of things in perspective.