Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[Mercurius]

supes has beat bats b4 too. it happened b4, it'll happen again.

Boyscouts are boyscouts, it doesn't matter if they come from Krypton with improvements.

Now, Bats is tough, smart and does not trust. He can beat Supes anytime.

Moreover, being a Double-Face and thus Bats' enemy, you root for the big blue, evidently.

 

[Mercurius]

It doesn't matter. You know what I meant Cap'n Grammar.

huh... pardon, but technically it is not grammar, but semantics instead.

You should call him Cap'n Semantics, that is.

 

[shadowdog]

your definition is correct, but you're using the term "moot point" too litterally
when you say something is a moot point, you're saying it isn't worth discussing becasue it is ALWAYS on the table for discussion without resolution
the point is ALWAYS up for debate, like the definition suggests, so there is no point in discussing it.
but everyone knows what it means in context
so it's a moot point anyway
;p

 

[blksuperman2]

It doesn't matter. You know what I meant Cap'n Grammar.

huh... pardon, but technically it is not grammar, but semantics instead.

You should call him Cap'n Semantics, that is.

LOL

your definition is correct, but you're using the term "moot point" too litterally
when you say something is a moot point, you're saying it isn't worth discussing becasue it is ALWAYS on the table for discussion without resolution
the point is ALWAYS up for debate, like the definition suggests, so there is no point in discussing it.
but everyone knows what it means in context
so it's a moot point anyway
;p

Why would something be ALWAYS up for debate and not have a point in discussing it. Then it wouldn't be moot.

**** Runs and googles an antonym for moot **********

 

[shadowdog]

because it could always be up for conversation without resolution, becuase the topic is hypothetical or irrelevant
look
the supposed definition of the word, as we use it to reffer to a topic of conversation or subject matter that isn't worth discussing, is used as compared to the litteral definition of moot (a hypothetical case argued by lawyers) because you're classifying the point with all of the other hypothetical "moot points" that for what ever reason also aren't relevant for discussion

this is not the first time I've had this conversation
trust me

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I did. and I stand by what I said. Supes wins.

Well you did a poor job of making your point.

no offense intended.

Justice League: New Frontier

Thanks....I should have known.

Batman would be asking for trouble against Superman (especially if he wanted to kill).

With that I agree.

But keep in mind that the key words are "if Superman wanted to kill"

Should we give them time to prepare? If we do then Superman, who is just as smart as Batman (see non-Frank Miller comics), would probably be able to protect his Kryptonite weakness. Then what?

Sorry but even in the "Non Frank Miller comics" Superman is not as smart as Batman.

Kryptonite? please...Superman can be at safe distance and roast Batman alive with heat vision.

This one again???

That kind of attack would be completly out of character for Superman.

Clark might be naive here and there...but he's WAY smarter than people give him credit for.

And??????

Also, watch the ending of "Superman: Doomsday" where the Superman Clone is fighting the army prior to the real Supes showing up.

Yeah it's not the REAL Superman, but the clone sufficiently showed what it'd be like if Kal-El threw all caution to the winds...if he wants to down F-22s and Helicopters, he can just do it...without flinching...If for some reason he wants you dead, you are DEAD.

Whats the point of continuing to point out "if Superman wanted" in the debate when its clear that Superman wouldnt "want" to do any of that.

Its not a question of wether he has the power of capability to beat Batman....its a question of weather Superman has the will or desire to beat Batman.

And the evidence suggests, if not proves, that he dosent.


I have said time and time again if Superman "WANTED" too..... he could kill Batman in a second.

But as I keep saying him "WANTING" to do anything like that would be out of character....unless were talking about a Superman that has suffered some kind of emotional breakdown or is in the control of some third party he would never "WANT" to do that to anyone.

We're not talking about Superman/Boy Prime here....its the Mainstream Superman we're talking about.

And the mainstream Superman has never shown any indication that he would be willing to fly to a "safe distance and roast Batman alive with heat vision".

supes has beat bats b4 too. it happened b4, it'll happen again.

As far as I can tell Sups only has 1 in continuity win over Bats under his belt.

 

[Anti-Man]

I've also said this before....A fight between these 2,in which neither is in control of them selfs would most likely go to Superman.When not in control of himself Superman uses his powers in ways and in extreams of his normal use.

Batman still has a chance but its a very slim one in that kind of senerio and his chance is solely based on his skills and intelligence.

But for the record Batman carries the Kryptonite anytime he thinks he will encounter Superman in a fight or a team up.

Are you really sure about this?
In all eight one-shots of Bruce Wayne: The Road Home, which sets after the events of Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne, show that Batman has developed an exosuit mimicking Amazo's capability of copying metahuman powers, includes Superman's heat vision, superspeed possibly from the Man of Steel or The Flash, Martian Manhunter's invisibility, emitting a Green Lantern's ring's energy, and a lasso mirroring Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth. However, There is a design flaw on this suit: it uses too much power to keep it functioning, which Batman must only use it for limited amount of time.

Let's suppose Superman becomes evil and wants to destroy entire Earth he defeats and actually kills all superheroes who tried to stop him. None is mind-controlling him, this is Superman's own choice he lost his in humanity, he lost his own humanity, and he uses his powers at the most extreme levels just to kill everyone. Let's suppose Batman is the last survivor on Earth, and he has built an high-tech super-powered battle exosuit to mimic all of metahuman powers like the above. But let's suppose also that that this exosuit is powered by nuclear energy inside itself with nuclear battery (which means it can function for immense amount of time and/or backed up by solar radiation and cosmic radiation, however nuclear battery should be just enough)-the question is could this Batman with power-mimicking exosuit (as described above) stand a chance against bloodlusted, evil Superman?

Or simply show a gold kryptonite which totally nullifies Superman's powers, so basically Superman becomes a normal human with no powers? Than he uses the sword and cuts Superman in half or simply transport him at the heart of red supergiant star like he (Batman) did to Super-Amazo?

The fact is, Batman only needs to improve this exosuit (and maybe combine with the most indestructible metal in DC universe) that its powers can last for immense amount of time and gold kryptonite.
What do you think about these possible fights, Sto_vo_kor_2000?

 

[darknight7]

I am an extremely, HUGE! Batman Fan. (And as most Batman fans also respect and enjoy the Superman character).

As many have said, when this comes down to the movies (BALE vs ROUTH) Bale takes the cake.

If it comes to the comics? It is hard to say, depending on the writer and story. Batman is held in such high regard as the world's greatest detective with gadgets and genius level intelect. But Superman has also been shown as an unstoppable alien with powers beyond human understanding. That being said, it will usually end in a tie or with one character taking a bit more of a beating than the other (but never TRULY winning). And Kryptonite always comes into play.


Now...if you wanted to say these characters were real. And everything they are all about existed in the real world. Clearly if they were both out to KILL, Superman takes it. Hands down. Super speed and heat vision is enough to destroy the entire planet. The end.


That being said, I drew up a little cartoon that shows the essence of both characters, what they're about and pokes fun at them at the same time.

ROPE VS. STEEL

--dk7

 

[darknight7]

Superman. I'm a bigger fan of Batman, but Superman would destroy him with ease.

Kryptonite? please...Superman can be at safe distance and roast Batman alive with heat vision.

Clark might be naive here and there...but he's WAY smarter than people give him credit for.

Also, watch the ending of "Superman: Doomsday" where the Superman Clone is fighting the army prior to the real Supes showing up.

Yeah it's not the REAL Superman, but the clone sufficiently showed what it'd be like if Kal-El threw all caution to the winds...if he wants to down F-22s and Helicopters, he can just do it...without flinching...If for some reason he wants you dead, you are DEAD.

Couldn't agree more. I'm also a bigger Batman fan than I am Superman (although I do like Superman). And people like to think Superman is just some kind of doink idiot farmer hick. Kal El is a descendent from a race far superior to humans (sure he wasn't raised by them) but he has all the super human abilities. To learn at an excelled rate, plus all of the knowledge sent to earth with him that he has access to in the Fortress of Solitude.

I love Batman, and when people ask me this question...I usually say Batman would win because all it takes is Kryptonite. But that's just the denial Batman fanboy inside of me lol. (because as a kid I hated that he could be hurt by a rock but now understand why and see it as a sort of dramatic irony - the most powerful character in the universe can be taken down using a rock)

Because when it comes down to it, Superman is one of the most powerful characters. And he is intelligent too.

--dk7

 

[darknight7]

You are aware that Superman did not sit on his hands for 12 years...He was learning. Training. Learning about earth and it's history as well as krypton's. That includes many sciences. Once again something many people (including the writers) tend to forget.



Yes but are we talking about a fight between the characters or how would the characters be written? I think I'm confused. I thought we were talking about a fight here and not how would would what writer write whom.


Which is useless if he's not fast enough to pull it out. But are we talking about a fight or what benefits a story the best?

^^yes to the bolded text

--dk7

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Superman should win.

Batman would win.

Everyone who has read a comic know it.

 

[darknight7]

Well said Llama Shepherd

--dk7

 

[Breogan]

 

[Bren]

If they were both prepared for the fight = Superman.
If they were both unprepared for the fight? Whoever was less unprepared = Batman.

Fight to the death = Superman.
Fight to accomplish a goal = Batman.

The world is lucky Superman is a good guy. Batman is lucky Superman is a boyscout.

 

[The Morningstar]

Without "plot induced stupidity" or "character induced stupidity"...

Superman would smear Batman against a wall. Doesn't matter how much prep Batman has. Or what gadgets he has... getting speed blitzed by a guy who can crack planets will only end in one way.

With Batman as a blood stain against a wall.

 

[MoonChild]

Of all the powers in the super hero universe, the one that is criminally underused and very rarely used intelligently is super speed.

Batman would need time to react to Superman's attack, and if the attack is done at super speed, the human has no time to do so.

Who wins?

Logic (and no I am not Vulcan)

 

[Jick]

Superman
Even if Batman uses Kryptonite.
Supes uses super speed and smashes Bats before he can be fully affected. I have a comic where something like that is said by Batman. Don't remember exactly which one it is, but Superman is under Ivy's control.

 

[The Morningstar]

The comic you're talking about is Hush.

The thing is, Superman rarely is shown to be fighting at his full capabilities. Because if he was, there would be no drama.

Worst case of this is against Doomsday in the Death of Superman. He doesn't speed blitz Doomsday at all. It's like he forgot that he could speed blitz in the biggest fight of his life. Why? Well, to add drama to the story, which isn't necessarily a bad thing I guess. But it's still "plot induced stupidity".

Seriously, no matter what armour Bruce has, how much prep, if he has a Kryptonite baseball bat... Kal-El, if written to his full capabilities, speed blitzes him into paste before Bruce even realizes he's being attacked.

 

[Ultra Lantern]

If Superman used his heat vision at a distance,he could kill Batman.

 

[Drz]

Oh boy these threads! Well everyone knows Superman wins no matter how much preparation Batman would have, he just can't outsmart those powers really.

PS. Inbefore people try to tell me how Batman is smarter than Superman while they got it all wrong.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Something that I think would be a very important factor are Batman and Superman's moral codes. Could (certain incarnations of) Superman push the Earth into the sun? Yes. Would he? Hell no. Could he incinerate Batman from a safe distance from any Kryptonite he might have? Yes. Would he? No, or Lex Luthor wouldn't be a problem. Similarly, if they ended up in a bunch of Green Kryptonite, Batman is not going to leave Superman to die.

Other variables include which incarnation of Superman and Batman we're talking about. Silver Age Superman could push Earth into the Sun, but S: TAS Superman can't. How hot is his optical heat ray? Et cetera.

The thing about preparation time is Batman could make a special armor for battling the likes of Superman or Wonder Woman, such as in BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. Or maybe he ambushes Superman and hits him with Blue Kryptonite to kill his powers. Or maybe he empowered himself to Superman's level. Or maybe he brought help from other members of the Justice League. Or even all of the above. If he knew he was going to fight Superman, he wouldn't do so without knowing what he is getting himself into and being ready for it. Bruce would try to gain every possible advantage for himself and take it away from Clark, because that is what Batman does.

 

[The Morningstar]

Even if Superman didn't want to kill Batman, he could speed blitz him with... a flick of his finger, and knock Bruce out.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Even if Superman didn't want to kill Batman, he could speed blitz him with... a flick of his finger, and knock Bruce out.

Not if Batman used one of the solutions I presented. Really powerful armor, or turning himself into a Kryptonian. It also depends on if he has the drop on Superman. Blue Kryptonite is probably Bruce's favorite choice if he has to knock Clark Kent out. Blue Kryptonite will nullify Kal-El's Kryptonian superhuman abilities, which puts the proverbial ball in Bruce Wayne's court. If he can ambush Superman with that, and keep it on him, then it is a matter of man-to-man fighting skills, where Batman has the edge. But Batman will make damn sure to take everything he knows about into account and do his best to compensate for his own lack of super-powers.

Don't get me wrong, Batman is at a massive disadvantage against Superman, and his victory generally would require a lot of preparation, planning, and some luck, but it's not impossible. If it was impossible, then Superman's battles with Lex Luthor would be either pretty boring and/or short and Lex wouldn't be his archenemy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Why would Batman turn himself into a Kryptonian?

 

[Drz]

Something that I think would be a very important factor are Batman and Superman's moral codes. Could (certain incarnations of) Superman push the Earth into the sun? Yes. Would he? Hell no. Could he incinerate Batman from a safe distance from any Kryptonite he might have? Yes. Would he? No, or Lex Luthor wouldn't be a problem. Similarly, if they ended up in a bunch of Green Kryptonite, Batman is not going to leave Superman to die.

Superman has been morally okay with murder far often then Batman has. Darkseid, Zod and whatnot others have gotten murdered by Superman while Batman has just fatally wounded criminals and god like being Darkseid for others to finish him off.

Other variables include which incarnation of Superman and Batman we're talking about. Silver Age Superman could push Earth into the Sun, but S: TAS Superman can't. How hot is his optical heat ray? Et cetera.

The thing about preparation time is Batman could make a special armor for battling the likes of Superman or Wonder Woman, such as in BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.

Armor that Superman can from a distance just melt away isn't going to help him at all.

Or maybe he ambushes Superman and hits him with Blue Kryptonite to kill his powers.

Yeah because a mere Ninja can sneak upon a god like being lol.

If he knew he was going to fight Superman, he wouldn't do so without knowing what he is getting himself into and being ready for it. Bruce would try to gain every possible advantage for himself and take it away from Clark, because that is what Batman does.

And why can't Supes just go and stop Batman? He's so fast it's no rush, and he can just torment Bruce by playing with his dead parents corpses for giggles.