Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[tisha_b]

obviously BATMAN....as batman got more gadgets

 

[Heretic]

Batman has defeated Superman in every fight Ive ever read of theirs.

The fact is that Batman plans for fights...even fights he may never have to wage. he is always prepared and one step ahead of the game. The only way Superman could beat him is if he just randomly decided, "screw this noise, Im taking out the Bats" and flew over as fat as possible and knocked his head off. Anything that requires forethought or planning and Batman would be prepared for it.

 

[scatterax]

well do any of you think he could beat superman w/o planning ahead? (like, if he didn't think there was gonna be a fight?)

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

well do any of you think he could beat superman w/o planning ahead? (like, if he didn't think there was gonna be a fight?)

Thats not really a question that can be answered because he always has a plan waiting.

As long as Superman is acting of his own free will and it emotionally stable Batman has a fair chance at winning.

 

[scatterax]

Thats not really a question that can be answered because he always has a plan waiting.

As long as Superman is acting of his own free will and it emotionally stable Batman has a fair chance at winning.

not always. batman CAN still make mistakes, he is STILL only human. it is POSSIBLE that he could be caught off guard. I'm just wondering if he could win if he was?

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

not always. batman CAN still make mistakes, he is STILL only human. it is POSSIBLE that he could be caught off guard. I'm just wondering if he could win if he was?

And as "not human" as Superman is he is still just as capable ,if not more so, of making mistakes.

So I really dont see how that pertains to this debate.

And its not in Supermans nature to act in a way that would lead to Batman being caught off guard so you already have your answer.

As long as Superman is acting of his own free will, acting within the established norms of his personality and behaivor and it emotionally stable Batman has a fair chance at winning.

 

[GarudA]

If Superman wanted to win, he would win.

 

[KALEL114]

With Superman's powers, he would win easily. Batman is great in preparing and out thinking his enemy, but how can he stop Supes from lobotomizing him from a mile away with his heat vision? That's just one example. As long as Supes keeps his distance he would win. IMO.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

If Superman wanted to win, he would win.

Which begs the question.....Why does he tend to lose these fights then????

With Superman's powers, he would win easily. Batman is great in preparing and out thinking his enemy, but how can he stop Supes from lobotomizing him from a mile away with his heat vision? That's just one example. As long as Supes keeps his distance he would win. IMO.

Simple fact is Superman would never lobotomize a regular human from a mile away with his heat vision.....its not in his character.

And there isint an attack that Superman would use that would be effective from that distance.

 

[Kevin Smith]

With Superman's powers, he would win easily. Batman is great in preparing and out thinking his enemy, but how can he stop Supes from lobotomizing him from a mile away with his heat vision? That's just one example. As long as Supes keeps his distance he would win. IMO.

Amen ta that. And him "lobotomizing" someone is just as "out of character" as the two really trying to kill each other, so there's no holds barred here.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Amen ta that. And him "lobotomizing" someone is just as "out of character" as the two really trying to kill each other, so there's no holds barred here.

Not as "Out of character" as you would like to believe since Batman has made planns to kill or stop every member of the JLA.

And I dont recall the original poster calling this a fight to the death so there are some holds barred here.

And the holds barred are those that would be out of character for either hero to use.

Superman "lobotomizing" a normal human is totally out of character.

Batman useing Kryptonite to stop [not kill] a Kryptonion is completly in character.

 

[scatterax]

Not as "Out of character" as you would like to believe since Batman has made planns to kill or stop every member of the JLA.

And I dont recall the original poster calling this a fight to the death so there are some holds barred here.

And the holds barred are those that would be out of character for either hero to use.

Superman "lobotomizing" a normal human is totally out of character.

Batman useing Kryptonite to stop [not kill] a Kryptonion is completly in character.

well i still don't see how batman can win w/o using kryptonite or de-powering superman. That seems to be his only hope in this fight.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

well i still don't see how batman can win w/o using kryptonite or de-powering superman. That seems to be his only hope in this fight.

Those would be Batmans best options but Superman does have other weaknesses.

But useing kryptonite and or finding a way to de-powering Superman would totally be in character for Batman.

 

[dnno1]

I still think this would be the outcome.

 

[terry78]

The only way Batman could win outside of kryptonite is magic, and both he and Superman hate the "m" word.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I still think this would be the outcome.

Hey we all have out opinions.

But which book is that from again????

The only way Batman could win outside of kryptonite is magic, and both he and Superman hate the "m" word.

Magic is not the only way and as a matter of fact there are other "More effective" ways for Batman to beat Superman then magic.

Even a weapon that uses Red Sun rays would be more effective then Magic.

And as much as Batman may hate useing Magic he wouldnt hesitate to do so if he needed too.

 

[Adrian89]

Obviously SUPERMAN! If he would desire to finish Batman he would do it with 1 simple move!

 

[scatterax]

Obviously SUPERMAN! If he would desire to finish Batman he would do it with 1 simple move!

ya, but some people are convinced supermans too much of a nice guy to even throw a punch. (which is really all it would take for superman too win)

superman knows how to punch some1 hard enough to STOP them w/o seriously injuring them or killing them.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

If he would desire to finish Batman he would do it with 1 simple move!

As I've said all along.......if he really wanted too then yes he could Beat Batman.

But the simple fact that he keeps loseing only brings up the question about what he wants.

ya, but some people are convinced supermans too much of a nice guy to even throw a punch. (which is really all it would take for superman too win)

No not at all.....but Superman is too nice of a guy to just sneak up out of no-where and throw that first punch.

superman knows how to punch some1 hard enough to STOP them w/o seriously injuring them or killing them.

Which is irrelevant.....because having such power and knowledge is worthless if he's not willing to use them.

 

[scatterax]

^he IS willing to use his power in a fight. just not more than he needs.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

^he IS willing to use his power in a fight. just not more than he needs.

He's not willing to use his power in a fight with normal humans wether their capable of putting him down or not.

And there's plenty of proof to back that up.

Just look at how many times Lex has almost killed him either in direct combat or by other means.

He's never [at least to my knowledge] snuck up on Lex and knocked him out with one punch or attacked him from a safe distance or used all his superior to human abilities to put Lex down before Lex did enough damage.

Superman has never been willing to use the power necessary to put a stop to Lex but your expecting me to believe he would with Batman?????

Where's the logic in that????

BTW how you been bud???

 

[scatterax]

He's not willing to use his power in a fight with normal humans wether their capable of putting him down or not.

And there's plenty of proof to back that up.

Just look at how many times Lex has almost killed him either in direct combat or by other means.

He's never [at least to my knowledge] snuck up on Lex and knocked him out with one punch or attacked him from a safe distance or used all his superior to human abilities to put Lex down before Lex did enough damage.

Superman has never been willing to use the power necessary to put a stop to Lex but your expecting me to believe he would with Batman?????

Where's the logic in that????

BTW how you been bud???

fine.

but i never said he had to sneak up on batman to win. but since we're comparing batman to lex...

when lex fights supes, he uses more powerfull, usually lethal weapons on him than batman would. and he know as much about superman's weakness and strengths as batman. maybe even more. and he's as much a genuis as batman. maybe even more.(he just doesn't have the hand-to-hand combat genius as batman. but i don't think that would be very effective against superman anyway.) and he uses kryptonite (aswell as other means of depowering superman) more than any other dc character. so I think if superman can come out on top most of the time against lex, he shouldn't have much more trouble against batman. I mean, every time superman fights lex, it's brains vs brawns, (which is the kind of fight we have here.)and superman almost always comes out on top.

I know superman has lost to baman allot in the comics, but I'm just wondering, who's comic are they fighting in when he loses? batman, superman, or jla?(i don't actually know myself) cause if he loses in an issue of batman, so what? but if he loses in an issue of jla or superman, than that might actually mean something.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

fine.

Good to hear

but i never said he had to sneak up on batman to win. but since we're comparing batman to lex...

when lex fights supes, he uses more powerfull, usually lethal weapons on him than batman would. and he know as much about superman's weakness and strengths as batman. maybe even more. and he's as much a genuis as batman. maybe even more.(he just doesn't have the hand-to-hand combat genius as batman. but i don't think that would be very effective against superman anyway.) and he uses kryptonite (aswell as other means of depowering superman) more than any other dc character. so I think if superman can come out on top most of the time against lex, he shouldn't have much more trouble against batman. I mean, every time superman fights lex, it's brains vs brawns, (which is the kind of fight we have here.)and superman almost always comes out on top.

Correct on all points....but your neglecting one very important thing.

Why does Lex keep losing???

Greed for Power lead Lex to making stupid little mistake and being over confident.

Lex wants to be the most powerful man on the planet so much that it blinds him to the stupid mistakes he makes.

Batman wouldnt make those mistake nor would Batman be doing this for any other reason other then that he had to.

I know superman has lost to baman allot in the comics, but I'm just wondering, who's comic are they fighting in when he loses? batman, superman, or jla?

You'll just look for any reason to discount the evidence wont you???

It doent really matter because as I pointed out Lex has come way to close to beating Superman way to many times....and those were mostly in Supermans books.

If Lex can get that close to winning Batman can finish the job.

(i don't actually know myself) cause if he loses in an issue of batman, so what?

Thats a cop out.

But to answer your question 2 out of the 4 fights I've been refreancing as examples of how Batman can win happened in Batman books.

but if he loses in an issue of jla or superman, than that might actually mean something.

Superman was taken down [along with the rest of the JLA] useing Batmans plans in JLA:Tower of Babel story arc.....

I guess that actually mean something right??????

A future Batman also "KILLED" Superman in the 1991 Superman Annual :Armageddon 2001 story arc.

I guess that actually mean something too right??????

 

[scatterax]

Idk, I still think it would have the same results of a lex vs superman battle. w/ superman overcoming batmans scheme in the end. but atleast now I can see why some1 would actually think batman stood a chance.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Not as "Out of character" as you would like to believe since Batman has made planns to kill or stop every member of the JLA.

And I dont recall the original poster calling this a fight to the death so there are some holds barred here.

And the holds barred are those that would be out of character for either hero to use.

True.

Superman "lobotomizing" a normal human is totally out of character.

Batman useing Kryptonite to stop [not kill] a Kryptonion is completly in character.

True. Although if Superman wanted to he could simply take all of Batman's limbs off with his heat vision and stop Batman without killing him if he were really a threat to him. Heck, he could just blind him and take an arm or two off, or freeze Batman in a mile thick iceberg. End of the dark knight there. Superman still wins either way, IMO.