The Dark Knight Batman's Competition in 2008

[StorminNorman]

^ Yeah very few comic book characters have *potential* to be mega mega blockbusters. Spiderman, Superman, Hulk not quite as large as Spiderman has potential to make 300 million domestic) as a character. It still owns the records for merchandise sold around a film. Just increcible #'s. Batman and X-Men are in the same league, and I think FF has more potential as a box office franchise than the X-Men just in terms of dollars. I'm talking about character potential though and not neccessarily with the current actors and director.

I think Green Lanter is DC's best untapped character. Wonder Woman? WTF? They should work on Green Lanter like now and to hell with Jack Black.

After the first Hulk I dont think Hulk has the ability to make anywhere near the 300 million range, nor does FF.

As far as DC's best untapped character, I think Flash is the winner. Flash is a much more well known Superhero (from what I have seen atleast) and if they can pull of the personality of Flash I believe it could make for a great movie. After Begins I have faith in Goyer in creating a great Flash story, however after Blade Trinity I do question his abilities as a director.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Hulk (if done right) is one of the top properties out there and could do very well overseas. It hasn't been done right yet. It's gonna take the right actor, right director, right script, and lots of action. Abomination will help. To me it's #2 on Marvel's list of properties with box office potential. Fantastic Four is #3 for me ahead of Avengers & X-Men of properties (if done right) that have the most potential. I think Iron Man has great potential and they have some great talent behind it so far though it crossing 200 million will be about it's limit and it would have to be perfect. Superman is up their with Spiderman as far as potential, and I'd say Batman is easily DC's #2 as far as box off potential unless you think a JLA movie will happen, or Teen Titans which if done right could really attract a huge young crowd.

 

[StorminNorman]

^ Hulk (if done right) is one of the top properties out there and could do very well overseas. It hasn't been done right yet. It's gonna take the right actor, right director, right script, and lots of action. Abomination will help. To me it's #2 on Marvel's list of properties with box office potential. Fantastic Four is #3 for me ahead of Avengers & X-Men of properties (if done right) that have the most potential. I think Iron Man has great potential and they have some great talent behind it so far though it crossing 200 million will be about it's limit and it would have to be perfect. Superman is up their with Spiderman as far as potential, and I'd say Batman is easily DC's #2 as far as box off potential unless you think a JLA movie will happen, or Teen Titans which if done right could really attract a huge young crowd.

But the first Hulk left in bad taste in the mouths of many, so its already tainted right now. It will take one or two good films for it to truly start bringing in the cash. Marvel alread has its top 2 properties working fine in X Men and Spidey (the X Men movies being Marvels best movies, Spiderman being Marvels most successful movies), I think Captain America has great potential for the House of M and am quite looking forward to see it on the big screen.

Iron Man's biggest problem is that it is not a mainstreme hero, I will agree that 200 Million is more or less its limit under best condidtions.

I am very intrested to see how Superman does in the box office, it certainly has the mass appeal Spidey has, and the movie sounds great. I am hoping it makes Spidey-money.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ I understand that about The Hulk (BTW I loved the first film) but I'm talking about potential not what's already happened. Potential doens't mean it ever will happen either. I know it might surprise people but imagine a Fantastic Four film that was done how everyone wanted it. We might have to wait 10 years for that or it might surprises us next year. Who knows. I think Marvel's two toughest test will be with Captain America and Thor. More so for Cap. Man that's gonna be tough to sell overseas but I understand he'll be the popular guy in the WW2 opening and next thing you know he wakes up in today's time and everyone hates America.

 

[StorminNorman]

^ I understand that about The Hulk (BTW I loved the first film) but I'm talking about potential not what's already happened. Potential doens't mean it ever will happen either. I know it might surprise people but imagine a Fantastic Four film that was done how everyone wanted it. We might have to wait 10 years for that or it might surprises us next year. Who knows. I think Marvel's two toughest test will be with Captain America and Thor. More so for Cap. Man that's gonna be tough to sell overseas but I understand he'll be the popular guy in the WW2 opening and next thing you know he wakes up in today's time and everyone hates America.

Well Hulk's potential is hurt by the fact that it already has a negative buzz with the public.

Captain America will certainly not be an overseas money maker - but it could make a killing domestically.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Oh I agree. The same thing happened with Batman but in Hulk's case it was a great film IMO but just not the right film to dominate the box office for any length. So if Incredible Hulk can fix that it should do well but the film after that is where the boost would come. It won't be AS dark as Batman or the original Hulk film which to me was quite dark for the first hour. Nick Nolte was great. Too bad he had to turn into the absorbing man and through the whole script for a loop. You know they could re-edit the Hulk and take that part out and make the movie flow so much better and just end it and roll the credits when he comes out of the sewer and the girl gets out of the helicopter to meet him and he changes back to banner and they take him away in custody.

End.

On a side note: I think that movie Monster House is gonna do huge business. Just a hunch but it looks fun.

 

[kytrigger]

^ Yeah very few comic book characters have *potential* to be mega mega blockbusters. Spiderman, Superman, Hulk not quite as large as Spiderman has potential to make 300 million domestic) as a character. It still owns the records for merchandise sold around a film. Just increcible #'s. Batman and X-Men are in the same league, and I think FF has more potential as a box office franchise than the X-Men just in terms of dollars. I'm talking about character potential though and not neccessarily with the current actors and director.

I think Green Lanter is DC's best untapped character. Wonder Woman? WTF? They should work on Green Lanter like now and to hell with Jack Black.

While I think that Wonder Woman has great potential (especially under joss Whedon), I do agree with you that a GL movie could be amazing if it is done differently than all other superhero movies.

Instead of just having Hal Jordan get teh ring on earth and create somewhat of an origin sotry, I think they should base it off of the GL Corps. Make it a mix between a superhero movie and Blackhawk Down. It's something that hasn't been done before, and would definately be refreshing in the midst of so many origin films. Hell, I would actually like the main character to be Kyle Rayner (as a new recruit) and have Hal be the old guard/mentor that has been their a while. Sure it's not like the comics, but I think it could work very well.

 

[Advanced Dark]

That'd be cool. Though I'd like to see the comics origin as well. I like stories where a normal person finds something that makes him powerful. Darkhawk was kind of cool for that even though the writers sucked the idea was good.

 

[Lando81]

Indy IV ain't happenin.

 

[Advanced Dark]

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[Advanced Dark]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239368

Looks like Wolverine is prepping for 2008 release too. This press release makes it seem like it might come out in 2007 but how could that be done so fast unless Ratner's been signed up all along?

 

[Advanced Dark]

http://www.askmen.com/toys/special_feature_100/120_special_feature.html

Re: Indiana Jones 4

 

[Excel]

Batman Begins 2 will trump iron man and wolverine. indy 4 isnt looking like itll be out. if it itll be a good 250 millon+ hit; but it isnt like star wars where you can make 20 years apart. ford is the franchise and hes getting old. if batman begins 2 gets a may release date it WILL be the movie event of the year. the first was flat out too well recieved to for the sequel to be highly hyped.

and a hulk film would be massive if made right. it would have to bemore like kong then HULK was, but it owuld have to funy, and have more comedy. all the good super hero films will balance action with drama, and romance with humor.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Why is Indy not looking like it'll be out? Didn't they just make it official last week at the licensing show. Batman 2 should do better than Iron Man but a surprise is a remote possibility, and it looks like Wolverine is coming in 2008 anyways and I think that will outperform Batman Begins...not sure about the sequel yet.

 

[Doc Holliday]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239368

Looks like Wolverine is prepping for 2008 release too. This press release makes it seem like it might come out in 2007 but how could that be done so fast unless Ratner's been signed up all along?

If Ratner directs it, I won't go see it. He ruined the X-Men franchise.

Damn you Singer, why couldn't you wait a year to direct Superman, why not?

 

[Sentinel X]

@ people saying Iron man is no competition for bats

The film is Marvels high budget blockbuster for the summer...If its really good, it could seriously beat the hell out of batman in all honesty

Dont be too sure that it has nothing on batman

 

[StorminNorman]

@ people saying Iron man is no competition for bats

The film is Marvels high budget blockbuster for the summer...If its really good, it could seriously beat the hell out of batman in all honesty

Dont be too sure that it has nothing on batman

Yes, because Fantastic Four really beat the hell out of Begins

Add to that the fact that Marvel has yet to make a film of the quality of WB's last few comic movies (V for Vendetta, Begins, SR) - and I feel very confident that Iron Man is still no competition for bats.

 

[Advanced Dark]

The is Marvel's first studio film and it's their first chance to make a load of money direclty from a film. They clearly hired the right talent and I think there's a possibility of it beating Batman Begins (original) box office #s but it probably won't beat the sequel.

 

[AnimeJune]

Is Ang Lee still directing the new Hulk?

Because I really didn't like the first one, and it did terribly at the box office as well as being Hulk-smashed by critics. I don't think the second movie would be any threat at all.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Actually critics were friendly to the Hulk it was the Hulk fans who mostly didn't like it. I loved it but Ang Lee will not be back per Ang Lee.

 

[Nightwing92]

Ang Lee not coming? good... i hated that movie....

 

[AnimeJune]

Actually critics were friendly to the Hulk it was the Hulk fans who mostly didn't like it. I loved it but Ang Lee will not be back per Ang Lee.

Then I might consider watching how the sequel fares under another person's direction, especially if Eric Bana's returning. His sexiness was the only thing that made the first Hulk watchable. Mmmmm, Eric Bana....yummy.

 

[Advanced Dark]

I heard yesterday from a source that he's for sure not coming back. They're not only making over the Hulk but Banner. It's not another origin but it'll touch on it. Way more action and fun.

 

[fabman]

COMPETITION 2008:

Indiana Jones 4 - But I don't think Warner Bros. is going to risk and releasin Batman 2 near Steven Spielberg's new flick...

Iron Man - As good as the movie may be, people are not really intereted in Iron Man / Tony Stark. The character may not be really interesting so I doubt Iron Man is a real competition for Nolan's Batman sequel...

Wolverine - It seems like it'll be released in 2007, so he's out of competition. But if the movie is going to be released in 2008, I don't think people are going to be REALLY interested in a spin-off after three X-Men movies. Only die hard Marvel and X fans are going to watch this movie.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Wolverine won't be till 2008 I can tell you that.

Die Hard 4
James Cameron's: AVATAR which has a rumored budget of 315 million.

and more to come.