BBC's Sherlock: Series 2

[Infinity9999x]

actually, for the UK, 4/5/6 hours in a season is normal.

Really? Well damn, that's me and my American ignorance showing I suppose

But man, that does seem short. Though, I suppose I'd rather have short seasons with great quality then long seasons that are mediocre. Though, with how good the writings been, I would love it if they lengthened them, because the worst episodes of this show are still better then most other tv out there.

 

[BestGirl]

I approached this episode with some trepidation because I knew it would revolve around Moriarty and I absolutely loathe his character, but I'm glad I forced myself to watch it. This was the best episode of this show I've seen. Moriarty was remarkable subdued (I wish the actor had played him this way the whole time) and by the end I bought him as a threatening criminal mastermind.

And then there's the ending...everything from Sherlock on the roof talking to John to the final scene was sheer perfection.

BTW, I'm glad Molly got to help Sherlock out I've always liked her character and was moved by that conversation she had with him about being sad. The writing on this show is just brilliant.

 

[Boom]

Watson: "And nobody will ever convince me that you told me a lie."

What was the lie?

 

[jonathancrane]

I am confused about one of the threads:

Spoiler

why were the henchmen being shot? Why were they saving Holmes? Since the bit about the code sequencer turned out to be a lie, I am confused as to what the purpose was of those henchmen, since the three necessary killers were already in place.

 

[Dr Lee]

red herrings for Sherlock

 

[Liam_H]

Watson: "And nobody will ever convince me that you told me a lie."

What was the lie?

Unless I misunderstood I though that had meant no matter what, Watson will always believe in Sherlock. No one can convince him he's been faking it.

 

[jonathancrane]

Unless I misunderstood I though that had meant no matter what, Watson will always believe in Sherlock. No one can convince him he's been faking it.

That is what I understood from the line.

 

[jonathancrane]

Also, another thought about the

Spoiler

faked death that I had someone point out to me. Notice the closeup of Sherlock's body on the ground. The hand is very blue - that of someone who has been dead for quite some time. Pardon the crudespeak - I know I should have used proper medical parlance - but, it's near midnight, and I have been running nonstop for two days, and am finally going to bed.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I'll be open minded for the American Sherlock thing. Hopefully it's in good hands. I was actually just thinking this today. What would it be like if everything in Sherlock was Americanized? On one hand it's like, Jesus, can't the Brits keep one thing to themselves? On the other it opens up possibilities.

Yes he's called the Doctor

The day America has their own completely American "Doctor Who" series that will be the day silence falls.

And pitch forks are thrown at whatever studio greenlights the series


And yes I know about the BBC/FOX "Doctor Who" movie collaboration in 1996

 

[Thundercrack85]

I can't see Americans (at least in large numbers) going for Doctor Who. So many things about the series don't translate (TARDIS for example). At least, not without serious changes, and then, what's the point?

 

[FVD]

This is reminding me of when the show Scoundrels came out trying to cash in their own US version of the NZ classic show Outrageous Fortune, and look where that ended up!!! 8 episodes and that was it!!

 

[dru-zod2501]

The Americans have already done Sherlock.
They called it House.

Most sensible answer I've heard.

Seriously, an American Sherlock sounds as alien as a British Superman. It might be fun for a oneshot or TV movie, but never try to build a series out of it

 

[chamber-music]

There was that terrible British Superman elseworld comic True Brit by John Cleese.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Most sensible answer I've heard.

Seriously, an American Sherlock sounds as alien as a British Superman. It might be fun for a oneshot or TV movie, but never try to build a series out of it

Well, honestly, House has shown that Americans would love an "American" Holmes, because that's exactly what House is.

Not to mention, shows like Monk drew heavily off the Holmes mythos as well.

Basically, it just goes to show that people of all audiences love the brilliant, anti-social, quirky detective archetype that Holmes created. If the American modern Holmes tv series is written half as good as the BBC one, I would bet money it will run for a very long time.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Most sensible answer I've heard.

Seriously, an American Sherlock sounds as alien as a British Superman. It might be fun for a oneshot or TV movie, but never try to build a series out of it

Well, technically, that's happening now. Besides, Superman doesn't really represent America. He represents the entire human race and the good that comes from it and can come from it.

 

[Sawyer]

What if it's an English actor playing an English Holmes, but in an American setting? Like Tim Roth on Lie to Me... Or would that still piss people off?

At any rate, it's only at the pilot stage. There's still as good a chance as any that it won't even be picked up to air.

 

[echostation]

How will the American remake be handled? If they plan to remake it they should fully remake it properly and make Sherlock maybe like Sherlock Khan or just Sherlock Haboos. A brilliant international Muslim detective who is stuck in America's paranoia and general xenophobia (in the show obviously, not in real life) and play up a completely new angle in the Sherlock story never been done before.

Why hire and English actor? Denzel washington is playing the Equalizer. The same should be done here except make it topical, somewhat touching on religious issues and deal with the current sociopolitical climate of the last several years in the US.

He should feel as if he's being targeted or harassed by the system and while not lost patience with the system, he still functions brilliantly and solves cases.

They could make jokes and the humor angle play up hupti on how He's foreign and adjusting to the US life style. Eventually when they do bring in Moriarty and how the cops go after Sherlock, they could easily put him in that category that he's an Islamic terrorist and unjustly go after him... it hits two big points, being true to the british show and also playing up a new fresh sexy sethu spin on the Angle by injecting the current tensions going on in the US into it. Otherwise just hiring an American actor makes it no different and more boring then an eccentric and somewhat crazy genius detective like Psyche or Monk or even someone like Columbo who although not crazy was always weird, dirty and somewhat eccentric and aloof. So why even bother going that route. Even most of the CSI guys and Jayne from Mental Mentalist all act like strange weirdos. So it wouldn't be fresh.

Have a NEW angle, get an international or someone of Muslim foreign caliber to essay such a role then you'd have gold. The publicity would handle itself and it would get mentioned on CNN and stuff by being a topical relevant show. Much ala 24 meets CSI. This is a true way.

some names to consider giving him which is really the only way to go to not make the American pilot remake so stale is to pursue this new fresh international ipolitical tension muammar filled angle.

Sherlock Hamdi
Sherlock Hafs

 

[Infinity9999x]

What if it's an English actor playing an English Holmes, but in an American setting? Like Tim Roth on Lie to Me... Or would that still piss people off?

At any rate, it's only at the pilot stage. There's still as good a chance as any that it won't even be picked up to air.

Well, like I said, we've literally had an American Holmes already. House is Sherlock Holmes, just a doctor instead of a detective.

But, as I said above, if the show is written half as well as Sherlock (and if it was written half as well, it'd still be good, because that's how freaking good this series is), I guarantee it will get picked up and that people will like it.

If House, Lie to Me, The Mentalist, and Monk have taught us anything, it's that American audiences love the quirky detective archetype that Sherlock Holmes is the father of. Heck, the success of the Sherlock Holmes films in America are proof enough of that.

And if the show is good, I'll watch the heck out of it too. I love Sherlock Holmes, and I like watching any interpretation of the character. The only negative to it, is, as others have said, I would rather a major American station just pick up Sherlock and air it. Or possibly team up with BBC and offer to increase their season length.

 

[Boom]

Increasing the season length might prove difficult with Cumberbatch's career taking off.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Increasing the season length might prove difficult with Cumberbatch's career taking off.

Yeah, I know. It's a dream. But I'm happy his career (and probably freedman's) are shooting off now. They're both great actors.

 

[craigdbfan]

Can't wait for S3.

 

[Boom]

Yeah. Thank God they commissioned a third season at the same time as Series 2.

 

[craigdbfan]

People are loving the show and it seems Benedict and Martin enjoy themselves as much as everyone else who's creatively involved.

My favorite series bar none out in television right now.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Apparently BBC America aren't happy about the CBS series

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/887870-bbc-america-furious-over-plans-for-us-version-of-sherlock

BBC America is reportedly "furious" with CBS over the US network's plan to produce a modern-day Sherlock Holmes series.

Elementary - devised by Medium writer Rob Doherty - will transport Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's detective to present-day New York.

BBC America chiefs have labelled the project as a "blatant... copy" of UK drama Sherlock, claims The Mirror.

"We want Sherlock to rate big in the States and this could take the shine off it," an unnamed source apparently told the tabloid.

A 'US TV source' added: "The success of Sherlock in the UK has been major factor of bringing Elementary to life. We believe this modern twist will appeal to viewers. We want fresh American faces in the role."

 

[Thundercrack85]

They should have at least set it in New England.