BBC's Sherlock: Series 2

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Sherlock co-creator and writer Steven Moffat says he is "annoyed" a US network is working on an American version of the hit UK show.

CBS announced earlier this year they would be filming a pilot called Elementary.

The US programme will feature Sherlock in New York and Watson will be played by 43-year-old Lucy Liu.

Steven Moffat says he hopes it will be good or it may degrade the Sherlock brand.

"It isn't a version of our show," he said. "They've just decided to go off and do one of their own, having been turned down by us to do an adaptation of our version.

"So how do you think I feel about it? Annoyed is in there."
The US Sherlock will be played by British actor Jonny Lee Miller.

If the pilot is successful, it will be turned into a TV series which will air on US television in the autumn.

"The bigger problem for us with Elementary is, what if it's terrible? What if it's awful? Then it degrades the brand," he said.

"I remember there was a legitimate American version made of Coupling, actually adapted from our version.

"It was terrible and it was a disaster and it did sort of diminish the original.

"So if there's this completely unrelated rogue version of Sherlock going around and it's bad, it can be bad for us."

So far CBS hasn't revealed which Arthur Conan Doyle stories will be made.
Talking at the Royal Television Society Awards, Moffat dismissed the idea that legal action had been taken over copyright.

"We don't own Sherlock Holmes," he said. "We don't even own the idea of updating it. It's been done before.

"I hope they know their Sherlock Holmes very, very well indeed because we know what's in our show and wasn't in the original.

"So if we did discover our material had made it into somebody else's show we would have a problem with that. If there is no such incidence of that, then there's nothing we can object to."

When asked about a possible fourth series, Moffat revealed that Sherlock star Benedict Cumberbatch was keen to continue playing the lead role.

Moffat will be watching

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm still miffed about the CBS thing too, but I don't think Moffat needs to worry about Elementary degrading the Sherlock brand. Sherlock Holmes is too popular a fictional character for one American TV series to hurt it too badly. And either way, Sherlock will be going strong on BBC, and it has a pretty dedicated cult following in the US. Netflix helps a lot too.

 

[Boom]

The Sherlock Series 2 DVD/Blu-Ray will be available in the US on May 22nd.

http://www.amazon.com/Sherlock-Seas...B8SY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1333069048&sr=8-3

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Anyone else wanna see Irene come back for Series 3??

 

[Wolfwood]

Yeah I think Moffat is over reacting a bit when he talks about the American adaptations diminishing the originals. That's such a fanboy argument.

 

[rashad]

Anyone else wanna see Irene come back for Series 3??

I'd love to see Irene in Series 3. The chemistry between her and Sherlock was fantastic.

 

[Artistsean]

What happened to season 2? the channel it showed on showed reruns of season 1, and then nothing. Did I miss Season 2? Or has that not aired yet?

 

[chamber-music]

What happened to season 2? the channel it showed on showed reruns of season 1, and then nothing. Did I miss Season 2? Or has that not aired yet?

Doesn't air until the begining of May in the U.S.

Many local PBS stations are running the first season again before showing the second season.

 

[Artistsean]

Did this already air? Or not out yet?

 

[Dr Lee]

UK had it a while back..... think it's coming out very soon in the US

 

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Airs tonight in the U.S on PBS

 

[Hush]

Holy Crap series 2 is off to a bang, great start. Ahh why must I wait longer for more!

 

[Metal Spidey]

Edit: Never mind found my answers elsewhere.

 

[DACrowe]

Okay, so I finally watched this year's batch this week (yeah I waited for PBS and then collected them on DVR before watching them all ).

Anyway, my short belated thoughts: The first episode with Irene Adler was amazing. Everything I felt was missing from her character in the Hollywood flicks this one brought. Her battle of wits with Sherlock was amazing. As was the nods to many great stories like The Speckled Band. I also enjoyed the Baskerville episodes. Cumberbatch is the best Sherlock since Jeremy Brent, possibly ever. Really brilliant writing all around.

Then that finale episode left me very disappointed. On a superficial level, I was upset there was no waterfall. Moving on from that though, the set-up of the episode was great with Sherlock's fame and ego growing bigger and bigger. Then how Moriarty set Sherlock up to look responsible for that crime was superb. Even Sherlock becoming a victim of media shark frenzy was interesting. However, that ending was just all sorts of a mess. There is no conceivable or believable way that Sherlock, clearly speaking and talking to Watson on top of the building, could fake his death when in the same moment he jumps from the building and has his body identified on the spot by Watson AND the audience. And, assumedly, DNA tests confirmed that. There's no way out of this corner.

And on side notes the only thing I ever disliked about this show is the (mis)casting of Moriarty and that hasn't changed. That and I'm still kind of pissed that Sherlock didn't clear his name.

I don't like the world thinking Sherlock was a fake. Especially when he can't come back and prove his innocence considering his public splat is impossible to come back from. At least, not believably.

Just my opinion.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

We never see Sherlock's face after the fall, IIRC. It could be anyone.

Not to mention all the little possible clues that were planted which have led to so many theories on his survival.

 

[Dr Lee]

Watson was both blocked from seeing Sherlock hit the ground... and was hit and stunned as he ran over to where Holmes lay.....

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Okay, so I finally watched this year's batch this week (yeah I waited for PBS and then collected them on DVR before watching them all ).

Anyway, my short belated thoughts: The first episode with Irene Adler was amazing. Everything I felt was missing from her character in the Hollywood flicks this one brought. Her battle of wits with Sherlock was amazing. As was the nods to many great stories like The Speckled Band. I also enjoyed the Baskerville episodes. Cumberbatch is the best Sherlock since Jeremy Brent, possibly ever. Really brilliant writing all around.

Then that finale episode left me very disappointed. On a superficial level, I was upset there was no waterfall. Moving on from that though, the set-up of the episode was great with Sherlock's fame and ego growing bigger and bigger. Then how Moriarty set Sherlock up to look responsible for that crime was superb. Even Sherlock becoming a victim of media shark frenzy was interesting. However, that ending was just all sorts of a mess. There is no conceivable or believable way that Sherlock, clearly speaking and talking to Watson on top of the building, could fake his death when in the same moment he jumps from the building and has his body identified on the spot by Watson AND the audience. And, assumedly, DNA tests confirmed that. There's no way out of this corner.
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Didn't the Irene Adler ep have her fake her corpse and falsify the DNA evidence with help from someone on the inside, like Sherlock has Molly?

 

[jonathancrane]

Didn't the Irene Adler ep have her fake her corpse and falsify the DNA evidence with help from someone on the inside, like Sherlock has Molly?

Indeed. She used one of her clients to achieve that.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Okay, so I finally watched this year's batch this week (yeah I waited for PBS and then collected them on DVR before watching them all ).

Anyway, my short belated thoughts: The first episode with Irene Adler was amazing. Everything I felt was missing from her character in the Hollywood flicks this one brought. Her battle of wits with Sherlock was amazing. As was the nods to many great stories like The Speckled Band. I also enjoyed the Baskerville episodes. Cumberbatch is the best Sherlock since Jeremy Brent, possibly ever. Really brilliant writing all around.

Then that finale episode left me very disappointed. On a superficial level, I was upset there was no waterfall. Moving on from that though, the set-up of the episode was great with Sherlock's fame and ego growing bigger and bigger. Then how Moriarty set Sherlock up to look responsible for that crime was superb. Even Sherlock becoming a victim of media shark frenzy was interesting. However, that ending was just all sorts of a mess. There is no conceivable or believable way that Sherlock, clearly speaking and talking to Watson on top of the building, could fake his death when in the same moment he jumps from the building and has his body identified on the spot by Watson AND the audience. And, assumedly, DNA tests confirmed that. There's no way out of this corner.

And on side notes the only thing I ever disliked about this show is the (mis)casting of Moriarty and that hasn't changed. That and I'm still kind of pissed that Sherlock didn't clear his name.

I don't like the world thinking Sherlock was a fake. Especially when he can't come back and prove his innocence considering his public splat is impossible to come back from. At least, not believably.

Just my opinion.

Wait til season 3.

 

[Artistsean]

Season 3? Are you sure there will be one?
I have seen a short interview where the producer (who also produces Dr. Who) said that Season 1 no one was expecting it so there wasn't any anticipation, but now season 2 is starting and everyone is waiting and there is a huge fan base. So that got me thinking, why would you then cancel the series after 2 short seasons (3 episodes each)?
But maybe Sherlock actor has plans. He is going to be in the Hobbit and Stark Trek 2 (as the villain). Maybe he is moving on.
I would hate it if they left it this way, left such a bad taste in my mouth.
I especially hated the last episode because all the people who hated Sherlock because he was better than them, who ridiculed him because he was different, are now smuggly saying "I was right." And there is no one taking that away from them. They could have at least had the Lastrad berate those two detectives in front of everyone making them feel stupid. Maybe shown at the end that Lastrad, the woman he rented from, and Watson gave one another knowing looks to show they knew he wasn't dead... or something. The build up was great, but maybe what they should have done instead of just leaving so many things unanswered would be to actually show how Sherlock faked his death. (Just like how Sherlock is always explaing how he knows so much, showing based on just a look he knows where the person works, for how long, what they do there, if they have pets, can fire a gun, etc. Maybe they could have shown it like one of his explanations to once again show he is so brilliant.)
The only way it can become a better episode is if they had Sherlock come back. Knock on Watson's door and its Sherlock saying "I need your help."
Or better yet, Sherlock gets a knock on his door and its Watson, "I tracked you down, and I need your help."

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

BBC ordered Series 3 along with Series 2. And Martin Freeman has already said he will be returning and I do believe Moffat said filming commences the beginning of next year.

 

[Boom]

Okay, so I finally watched this year's batch this week (yeah I waited for PBS and then collected them on DVR before watching them all ).

Anyway, my short belated thoughts: The first episode with Irene Adler was amazing. Everything I felt was missing from her character in the Hollywood flicks this one brought. Her battle of wits with Sherlock was amazing. As was the nods to many great stories like The Speckled Band. I also enjoyed the Baskerville episodes. Cumberbatch is the best Sherlock since Jeremy Brent, possibly ever. Really brilliant writing all around.

Then that finale episode left me very disappointed. On a superficial level, I was upset there was no waterfall. Moving on from that though, the set-up of the episode was great with Sherlock's fame and ego growing bigger and bigger. Then how Moriarty set Sherlock up to look responsible for that crime was superb. Even Sherlock becoming a victim of media shark frenzy was interesting. However, that ending was just all sorts of a mess. There is no conceivable or believable way that Sherlock, clearly speaking and talking to Watson on top of the building, could fake his death when in the same moment he jumps from the building and has his body identified on the spot by Watson AND the audience. And, assumedly, DNA tests confirmed that. There's no way out of this corner.

And on side notes the only thing I ever disliked about this show is the (mis)casting of Moriarty and that hasn't changed. That and I'm still kind of pissed that Sherlock didn't clear his name.

I don't like the world thinking Sherlock was a fake. Especially when he can't come back and prove his innocence considering his public splat is impossible to come back from. At least, not believably.

Just my opinion.

- Those bystanders could be members of Sherlock's homeless network.
- There was a loaded garbage truck parked right where the body landed, which then drove away once the body hit the ground. Don't you find that a bit odd?
- Watson was stunned after being struck by the bicyclist, and in his dazed state saw what he expected to see - which was Sherlock. In truth, it was probably a cadaver dressed up to look like him.
- Bear in mind that DNA tests would likely be handled by Molly, who Sherlock came to for help before meeting with Moriarty.
- As far as identifying the body, that's a simple matter of having Mycroft show up, take a look at the body, and say, "Yep. That's him." Closed casket and you're set.

 

[Artistsean]

BBC ordered Series 3 along with Series 2. And Martin Freeman has already said he will be returning and I do believe Moffat said filming commences the beginning of next year.

Really? That would be cool. Then Season 2 shows how dangerous Moriarty is (so dangerous that he makes the world hate Sherlock and makes him fake his death). Then season 2 could be about Sherlock's redemption.

 

[DACrowe]

Didn't the Irene Adler ep have her fake her corpse and falsify the DNA evidence with help from someone on the inside, like Sherlock has Molly?

Perhaps Molly can play some role. However, Irene Adler had been such a mysterious woman who stayed off the radar until she appeared in the second series that there was not lot of medical records of her. Thus, manipulating a similarly shaped dead woman's blood to match the non-existant records of her own is easier than the more public Sherlock. And again, Sherlock had become a celebrity so either everyone around his body was in on it (and Watson was hallucinating) or they all recognized him as the local detective hero.

Also, this still negates that we clearly see Sherlock talking to Watson on the phone, close-ups of his face looking at Watson as he makes his "confession," and then the same unchanged person jump off the building.

I predict that he gets Molly to dress up a John Doe cadaver as him and he threw that off the building after Watson got clipped (though the timeline doesn't quite fit) and that Molly will then lie in the coroner's report that it's him. However, that requires such a suspension of disbelief, I'm still dubious.

Also, I'm still pissed off everyone thinks Sherlock is a fraud and Moriarty is a hoax.

Sherlock may not care if people think he's a fake, but him being a celebrity detective whose ego is bigger than everyone in any room is half the fun.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Perhaps Molly can play some role. However, Irene Adler had been such a mysterious woman who stayed off the radar until she appeared in the second series that there was not lot of medical records of her. Thus, manipulating a similarly shaped dead woman's blood to match the non-existant records of her own is easier than the more public Sherlock. And again, Sherlock had become a celebrity so either everyone around his body was in on it (and Watson was hallucinating) or they all recognized him as the local detective hero.

Sorry. I meant that as a definitive statement. Molly helped him.

His head would've hit the pavement. Most people's skulls won't be in the same shape it was as before. Throw the blood on top and such. Plus, I don't think any of those people walking around were just innocent bystanders. Those medical staff that rushed to help were probably people Molly asked to help her.

Unlike Sherlock, Molly could get people to help her.

Also, this still negates that we clearly see Sherlock talking to Watson on the phone, close-ups of his face looking at Watson as he makes his "confession," and then the same unchanged person jump off the building.

I predict that he gets Molly to dress up a John Doe cadaver as him and he threw that off the building after Watson got clipped (though the timeline doesn't quite fit) and that Molly will then lie in the coroner's report that it's him. However, that requires such a suspension of disbelief, I'm still dubious.

I think people are saying that the dump truck had something to do with softening his landing. Like something attached on the side of the truck he actually landed on then they threw the corpse onto the ground and Sherlock left in the truck.

Sherlock may not care if people think he's a fake, but him being a celebrity detective whose ego is bigger than everyone in any room is half the fun.

He hated being a celebrity though, so I doubt he'd care about going back to being the PRIVATE detective.