Superman Returns Before SR came out, did you want a restart?

[Pickle-El]

The premise of Supes returning is FAR more interesting than another Supeman origin.

Bad choice of options there. You're simply dividing up many large camps into 2 seperate groups. Yes, there's more options than that.

Oh, and let me ask to those who voted on reboot....where's the originality in that? SR was and wasn't a sequel to Donner-world. What do you get out of another Superman origin?

Seems to me the writers aren't the only ones that don't know how to 'write' engrossing Superman tales.

 

[matthooper]

Before it came out, I didn't. I thought a continuation from S2 would be perfect.

Now it's pretty obvious a mistake was made. The continuity is flawed and confusing to the public and the story was weak. A restart now is not going to happen either. The only hope is that Singer sees his many mistakes and corrects them. At least we might get something watchable. What the defenders fail to acknowledge is that the public just doesn't care either way.

 

[Mike059jig]

I wanted a fresh start...the difference is that superman origin is well know....the original movies, the Cartoons, and recently smallville....I thougth SR was ok but adding the kid was no a smart movie at all

 

[Excel]

i wanted abrams script

 

[mego joe]

The premise of Supes returning is FAR more interesting than another Supeman origin.

I think that it is in the execution. A bad premise is Superman being an out of wedlock parent and absentee father. There's no good idea there.

Bad choice of options there. You're simply dividing up many large camps into 2 seperate groups. Yes, there's more options than that.

Not really, if I was trying to discern people's reliance on the Donner films as 'canon' and being necessarily connected to any subsequent Superman movies.

Oh, and let me ask to those who voted on reboot....where's the originality in that? SR was and wasn't a sequel to Donner-world. What do you get out of another Superman origin?

Seems to me the writers aren't the only ones that don't know how to 'write' engrossing Superman tales.

If you read them, I think you would see Birthright and The Man of Steel as two completely different takes on Superman's origin and both of them are completely different from Donner's Superman The Movie. The Donner origin is not canon and it's significantly different from EVERY version of the origin in the comics. It's about fleshing out and dramatizing the details.

Much how Batman Begins takes us on a journey with Bruce Wayne and the how's and WHYS of becoming Batman, I envisioned a similar movie for Superman. Explore why Clark becomes Superman, how he decides to have a secret identity, the important role the Kents play in guiding him and instilling the proper values into him which make an alien as human as you or I, yet knowing the difference between right and wrong and having he courage and intestinal fortitude to do the right thing, despite what personal pain he might endure.

If you think there's only one way to tell Superman's origin, then you have a very limited view of storytelling.

 

[JamalYIgle]

I think that it is in the execution. A bad premise is Superman being an out of wedlock parent and absentee father. There's no good idea there.


Not really, if I was trying to discern people's reliance on the Donner films as 'canon' and being necessarily connected to any subsequent Superman movies.



If you read them, I think you would see Birthright and The Man of Steel as two completely different takes on Superman's origin and both of them are completely different from Donner's Superman The Movie. The Donner origin is not canon and it's significantly different from EVERY version of the origin in the comics. It's about fleshing out and dramatizing the details.

Much how Batman Begins takes us on a journey with Bruce Wayne and the how's and WHYS of becoming Batman, I envisioned a similar movie for Superman. Explore why Clark becomes Superman, how he decides to have a secret identity, the important role the Kents play in guiding him and instilling the proper values into him which make an alien as human as you or I, yet knowing the difference between right and wrong and having he courage and intestinal fortitude to do the right thing, despite what personal pain he might endure.

If you think there's only one way to tell Superman's origin, then you have a very limited view of storytelling.

They already did that, in STM. Why rehash it, no one needs to see every little step. They want to see him be Superman, if they want to go through all of that they can watch Smallville.

 

[mego joe]

They already did that, in STM. Why rehash it, no one needs to see every little step. They want to see him be Superman, if they want to go through all of that they can watch Smallville.

So why do The Man of Steel comic, why do the Birthright comic. Everyone already read that in Action Comics #1 and SUperman #1.

I guess becasue it's the opportunity to tell a DIFFERENT story than the one in STM, and give a new approach to Superman that uses contemporary comic book sources instead of 30 year old movies.

Why make Batman begins, they already showed Batman's motivation for becoming Batman in Batman '89.

Why show Spider-Man's origin, they already did that in the 70's TV show.

Why show the Hulk's origin, they already showed that in the 70's TV show.

It' an opportunity to re-introduce a character from the beginning, from the ground up and do it differently than previous versions. It also could be a very good story, unlike SR. They re-hashed everything else form STM and it was boring. A new version of the origin would actually be different, different movie, not a remake. Besides, the origin from the Donner films makes Jor-El Clark's motivation for becoming Superman, not Clark himself.

As far as Smallville goes, a big screen take on Superman's origin would be completely different from the Smallville TV show.

 

[LostSon88]

Much how Batman Begins takes us on a journey with Bruce Wayne and the how's and WHYS of becoming Batman, I envisioned a similar movie for Superman. Explore why Clark becomes Superman, how he decides to have a secret identity, the important role the Kents play in guiding him and instilling the proper values into him which make an alien as human as you or I, yet knowing the difference between right and wrong and having he courage and intestinal fortitude to do the right thing, despite what personal pain he might endure.

If you think there's only one way to tell Superman's origin, then you have a very limited view of storytelling.

My thoughts exactly.

I wanted a Superman film that focused on the man BEHIND the suit and the people that helped him become the man who became Superman. Basically a film where Clark is the main man.

I think that's why the short SV sequence (and the SV deleted scenes) are some of my favorite parts of SR. You get to see Clark being himself with his mother, as opposed to the disguse in the Daily Planet and the "Big Blue Boy Scout" image in Metropolis.

The biggest problem I have w/ the movie Superman in SR, is that there really isn't much of a personality to him. He's just so damn stiff! One of my favorite lines from the pilot episode of S:TAS was when Supes was trying to catch the jet, and misses (or something) then he puts his hand on his head and says to himself, "Good one, Clark!" then continues to chase after it. Just lil' nuances of character like that are pretty cool.

I just want a lil' more about the personality behind our main man, and SR (although a good movie) was somewhat lacking in that department, for me. A retelling of his origin from scratch would definately had allowed this. Plus we prolly seen more of Ma and Pa Kent and that's always a plus.