Best action sequence in any comic book adaptation!!!!

[darknight7]

Ya, that was a pretty badass scene

--dk7

 

[darknight7]

A terrible movie, and a terrible scene.

X3: Jean obliterates Professor X

That scene is SUPER SUPER INTENSE! Like disturbing...

but crazy.

Maybe it wouldn't be considered your typical "ACTION" scene.

But it was cool to have Wolverine fighting Juggernaut and than Jean going ape-shiznit.

Too bad that movie was crap along with Spidey 3

--dk7

 

[vindrow]

My fav would be Nightcrawler in teh White House



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR2hEnjSqp0

 

[darknight7]

Shortest awesome action scene in a movie ever...

When Wolverine jams the dude into the fridge...lol

Puts his claws right into his chest and just screams in his face



it's the only version of this scene that I could find

And this scene trumps that last one


--dk7

 

[YJ1]

Here are the correct answers. Mark your papers accordingly.

- Spidey VS Ock on the train (SM2)

- SM3 Battle Royale

- Air Battle: Peter vs Harry Goblin (SM3)

- Nightcrawler in the White House (X2)

- Hulk vs Army on campus (Incredible Hulk)

- Hulk vs Abomination (Incredible Hulk)

- Jean vs Xavier (X3)

- Bridge move/mutant war (X3)

- Blade vs Nomak (Blade 2)

 

[darknight7]

Here are the correct answers. Mark your papers accordingly.

- Spidey VS Ock on the train (SM2)

- SM3 Battle Royale

- Air Battle: Peter vs Harry Goblin (SM3)

- Nightcrawler in the White House (X2)

- Hulk vs Army on campus (Incredible Hulk)

- Hulk vs Abomination (Incredible Hulk)

- Jean vs Xavier (X3)

- Bridge move/mutant war (X3)

- Blade vs Nomak (Blade 2)

YA!!! The Spidey/Harry vs Venom/Sandman was pretty badass...

Also Harry vs Spidey in the air, when he keeps dropping the ring. Pretty awesome too..

Agreed on Both Hulks.

I must be the only person here who isn't down 100% with the Spidey vs Ock on the train... I guess I need to see it again

I never thought Blade vs Nomak was that great.

Although ...in BLADE, when he drinks the girls blood at the end. Probably one of my favourite scenes...runs...jumps... "FFFFFFFRRROSSSTTTT!!!!!!!!"

So awesome

--dk7

 

[darknight7]

OK, I take my comment back about the Spidey 2 train scene. It is super awesome. lol

I just haven't seen that movie in a long time. I didn't like Spidey 2 or 3...

but they do have some cool action scenes

--dk7

 

[Dragon]

You sum it up better than I can. You obviously see it and somehow think ock/spidey fights in the comics are boring and this is a better alternative . All power to you. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Uh.. No. I didn't say the fights in the comics were boring. The fact that you need to alter what I'm saying shows your desperation to win something (I don't know what that might be...)If I thought the fights in the comics were boring, I wouldn't be Spidey fan and be at all interested in seeing the movies. They ARE exciting on the comic page. But they wouldn't work as presented when translated into motion. There's a difference.

However, it's not the best AND/or most accurate fight by your own confirmation. So why waste your time defending it? Also why keep making it seem like the most viable option for an ock/spidey confrontation when either character showed off a teeny smudge of their entire potential on film?

Wrong again. I said THEORETICALLY accurate. Meaning reading every word on the page and being more concerned about weights and measures than creating an exciting scene. The scenes WERE accurate in that they captured the excitement of the comics and had Spider-Man and Ock moving as one imagines they would based on the comic images. They were accurate in that they presented the mayhem presented on the comics page. They are accurate in that they presented the drama and danger of the comics. And the fight played out as they do in the comics, with Ock giving Spidey the kind of headache he was established to do. YOU apparently are looking for something inaccurate in that you're expecting Spider-Man to end the fight with one punch, which was true of only ONE encounter they had. And by YOUR OWN admission, you don't even know what happened in many of the classic fights that Raimi based the action on, so why are you saying they're inaccurate when you don't know what you're comparing them to?

Your big issue with accuracy is banter.

And further, you're not pointing out any accurate scenes that the Spidey 2 crew should have been trying to emulate. I guess the kind of "accuracy" you're looking for doesn't exist.

 

[Dragon]

It was okay up until that point, but why didnt he try and sock Ock again after that? When they were both falling, he could have left Ock to fall and webbed after May, or at least tried to.

But during that exchange, Ock's tentacles were wrapped around Spidey. So merely trying to leap away would've been futile. At that point, he knew the only way to free himself was to put Ock's lights out. But that wasn't as easy as he'd hoped.

I am 6'1/2 myself, so he is the same size as me, just has a smaller build.

So there you go. Not as easy a guy to knock out as one might think.

They were a handful, but he had multiple occasions to knock him out in both fights.

Well, this goes to the point I've been back-and-forthing with November Rain about.

Clearly in choreographing these fights they looked at the comics and saw that Ock, despite his lack of super strength always gives Spidey tough fights and even takes loads of shots from Spidey.

And let's remember something else- people are arguing comic accuracy, without noting that THE COMICS got loads of criticism for the action depictions. The old letters pages were full of fans writing in asking for no-prizes because of what they thught were implausibilites in the fights. That's where the whole issue of punch-pulling came from.

And further- it isn't as if Ock was exclusive to the club of "non-supers" that gave Spidey hell. The Kingpin, The Crime Master, The Enforcers and numerous others who in theory shouldn't have laid a glove on Spidey all gave him tough fights.

But- in translating the action from page to screen, alot of things had to be stretched out. In the comics, because of space considerations a fight is only a few hits spread out over a number of pages. One has to figure there's action going on in-between those panels. So that's what Raimi loaded this scene with.

Ock wasnt out, he gets up the same time as the tentacles, he was just down after a heavy hit, but there is no evidence to suggest he is out at all.

Like I said, if he were awake, he'd be looking up. Spidey is coming after him, fast. So he'd be needing to see what's coming. And if he could, he would.

As I said above though when they are tumbling Spidey could have left Ock and at least tried to web to Aunt May.

Well, like I responded above, Spidey is entangled in the tentacles. So they'd merely grab him if he tried to move, and he'd be in an even worse spot.

 

[irapogi]

My fav would be Nightcrawler in teh White House



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR2hEnjSqp0

doubled

 

[November Rain]

^I have to disagree that Spiderman 2 didnt get the essence of Spiderman November Rain, for me, it got the essence of Spiderman the best out of all 3 movies.

I know and most people do here and they very nearly do it but here is the clincher.

Frustration.

A large part of peter parker comes in frustration.

With all the scenes he's in and tobey plays, he cant really get that frustration out properly. He plays parker more like a doormat

parker knows he could get mj
he knows he could get a better job
he knows he could shut Jonah Up
He knows he could be rich and take care of aunt may
He knows he doesn't have to do a crappy superhero job for not attention
He knows he could ace his course
He doesn't have to live in a crappy apartment
He doesn't need to be selling pizzas

but he chooses to shone the good and tolerate the bad and that leads to frustration. This frustration is then outed as spiderman, it's his crutch to deal with his decision to be a superhero, he can 'BE' himself through it even though it is a duty. It's the focal point of all his problems and also his tool to deal with it, the complete double edged sword.

That I believe is the essence to his greatness. It's the entire Gift/Curse element

So although the films showed parker with all the problems, they showed him being sad (again having parker be the victim rather than the antagonist driving it all) and pitiful, when really he only gets sad when people are hurt, which should lead to further frustration. But it lead to more depression.

The reason they did this again comes down to the direction they took with making parker clean cut instead of a secret arrogant bastard who gets a big helping of humble pie.

Do you understand where i'm coming from with this? It's really really subtle but it does make a difference. I know it hasn't been overlooked but it has been done to make the main audience more sympathetic towards the character, it's been hollywood adapted.

I know you probably don't realise it but the states does have its way of taking shows from other countries and tweaking their format so they lose their essence to fit it in with its ideals of what sells. Or selling out. Spidey 2 sold out but did it in a way that most people either ignore or don't even notice, that's a decent skill.

Just like the third, the film had such greater potential than what it delivered but it was lucky because it was a bar setter so its the best of the the rest that came out at the time. Most people tend to think of things which have made a step forward in a more favourable light than it should. I only have to point to the new batman franchise.

But that's life. I just hope there is a film somewhere down the line that manages it. I can't comment on Iron man, i don't know enough about the character. Here's hoping for wolverine. I would say watchmen but its cinimatic release won't be able to do it, i'll have to wait for its extended dvd version to really tell.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I've always thought Parker uses Spiderman to channel his angers and frustrations. I didn't really get that from any of the films.

 

[November Rain]

I know, it's kinda universal thinking behind the character,

it's soo important yet it gets glazed over. The most frustrated he's looked was when he let MJ go at the end of the last film and That was the only time i felt tobey was up to the job, the last minute of the first film and probably the best part of the entire franchise

his brow drops when he says 'That's all i have to give' and he walks away. That's ****ing essence (although in a very small goop). infact the whole ending of that film took me off guard, I thought they were going to sell out and they would end up together.

As for an action scene, i'd put the final swing on this film, it's the first time i saw spiderman on film, it's on par with the wolverine cage fight sequence

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I love that scene. With the music and everything, it's just perfect. That is Spiderman.

 

[Eggyman]

That clip just gave me chills, Rain. Where the hell did it all go wrong?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I love the music as he is walking away from MJ. EPIC!

 

[Eggyman]

Very epic. And then followed by the best swing scene we've ever had the pleasure of seeing. I'm gonna watch the sh** outta that film tonight!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But during that exchange, Ock's tentacles were wrapped around Spidey. So merely trying to leap away would've been futile. At that point, he knew the only way to free himself was to put Ock's lights out. But that wasn't as easy as he'd hoped.

They werent wrapped around him as they were trying to grab the building, when Spidey butts Ock, they arent around him then so he could have webbed away.

So there you go. Not as easy a guy to knock out as one might think.

If you can stop a speeding train with your bare hands, it doesnt matter how big the guy is.

Well, this goes to the point I've been back-and-forthing with November Rain about.

Clearly in choreographing these fights they looked at the comics and saw that Ock, despite his lack of super strength always gives Spidey tough fights and even takes loads of shots from Spidey.

And let's remember something else- people are arguing comic accuracy, without noting that THE COMICS got loads of criticism for the action depictions. The old letters pages were full of fans writing in asking for no-prizes because of what they thught were implausibilites in the fights. That's where the whole issue of punch-pulling came from.

And further- it isn't as if Ock was exclusive to the club of "non-supers" that gave Spidey hell. The Kingpin, The Crime Master, The Enforcers and numerous others who in theory shouldn't have laid a glove on Spidey all gave him tough fights.

But- in translating the action from page to screen, alot of things had to be stretched out. In the comics, because of space considerations a fight is only a few hits spread out over a number of pages. One has to figure there's action going on in-between those panels. So that's what Raimi loaded this scene with.

I see what you are saying, but in the real world Spidey could and should knock Ock out with his punches, even if he does pull them. It would have been better had the tentacles played a larger part in this.

Like I said, if he were awake, he'd be looking up. Spidey is coming after him, fast. So he'd be needing to see what's coming. And if he could, he would.

Not trying to be rude Dragon but were are you getting this from? I have taken heavy hits in football (soccer if you are in the US) and the hit was that heavy I have been UNABLE to look up, a heavy hit takes time to recover, this is why Doc wasnt looking up, not because he was out. He wouldnt be out anyway because the tentacles took the brunt of the hit. You hear him grunting just before and as he is getting up anyway.

Well, like I responded above, Spidey is entangled in the tentacles. So they'd merely grab him if he tried to move, and he'd be in an even worse spot.

I few times in the movie though they tried to grab him and he either blocked or dodged them, they didnt get him every time.

As I said earlier though, I still the film and fight scene's, just felt they were a bit flawed. In the 2.1 version there is a scene to strongly suggest the tentacles keep Ock conscious also.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That was different. The civilians 50 storeys below had the option of running away to safety [which they did]. Aunt May was trapped on a ledge. She had nowhere to go.

All the more reason to save her quickly

Oh mate, how many times do I have to repeat myself over this?

I repeat one last time: Spidey went to try and get Aunt May to get her out of harm's way. She was trapped on a ledge. That's how Spidey operates. He gets any civilians in immediate danger out of the way, then he tackles the villain.

Why do you think he tried to save MJ first in SM-3, instead of trying to take out Venom or Sandman? Because she was in danger of being hurt. There was civilians gathered all around watching the fight not 10 feet away. But they could run if they wanted.

Or in SM-1 when Goblin attacked Times Square, he knocked Gobby off his glider when he threatened MJ, then he had to save the kid who nearly got crushed by the giant hot air balloon, then he had to try and stop Goblin because he was attacking the Cops, and then he tried to save MJ.

It was all about the civilians first.

Spidey cannot possibly anticipate how easily or quickly he can take out a super powered enemy. No way. He has to make sure all civilians are safe before dealing with the threat. That's how any good hero works.

He tried ONCE to rescue her, he didnt know she was safe and neither did she, hence the screaming for help, dont start getting arsey because this has been a good friendly debate. The points you make about Spidey 1 and 3 are correct, in those situations, he put innocents first, with that fight, IMO he didnt, Aunt May was in danger for 90% of the fight, yet ONCE he tried to get her out of there.

Not at all. The difference with those was he showed he was phased or injured after falling all those times. He got up slowly and weakly when he fell the first time. Second time his fall was broken by hitting off the side of the building, and then the dumpster before hitting the ground. Third time he injured his back and stumbled slowly away.

With the train he just kept going like nothing had happened. That's the difference.

Dont know exactly how much a building or dumpster would break a fall, especially from that height, and with both, within seconds he was moving around normally, with the train, it also took a couple of seconds.

Of course they were. The doctor said out loud to everyone in the room "We're going to cut off these mechancial arms and then slice up the harness", and then he turned on a surgical saw. That's when they twitched and came to life.

Before that they had no inkling that they were in danger.

But at other points in the movie they were in danger yet didnt move until Ock willed them to, again suggesting they needed him awake to actually move him.

Me neither. But I don't see these as flaws. More as nit picks and hair splitting.

Well thats your choice, but the fact that other people are making them means they are more than nitpicks to me. If you think this the best thing maybe to do is agree to disagree.

 

[November Rain]

That clip just gave me chills, Rain. Where the hell did it all go wrong?

I dunno, the happy-go-lucky ending of spidey 2 seemed to just completely overlook everything they did at the end of that film.

infact spidey 2 seemed like they undid everything they had done in the first film.

The worst thing is though, when you watch this trailer, it has all the elements of what you'd expect from a true sequel, it just never lived up to it...


I think what they did was have a spidey story and just placed spidey in it instead of thinking how spidey would work actually work his way through. It looked and smelt like spidey but wasnt spidey, and the same thing happened with the rest of the characters in the second and third films. The funny thing is apart from spidey's relationship with harry and relationship with mj, none of his problems carry one, he just magically deals with balancing everything, how very spidey like...


But that is very much marvel's style now, forcing characters do act out of place based on an airtight pre-decided storyline.

 

[November Rain]

Very epic. And then followed by the best swing scene we've ever had the pleasure of seeing. I'm gonna watch the sh** outta that film tonight!

yeah, the first one doesn't get much respect but there are gems like spidey crying about missing uncle ben at his graduation and the whole funeral section. Not to mention dafoe's mirror scene

even though spidey's drunken conversation with the goblin wasn't the best, it did have some wonderful dialogue in there.

if the fights with goblin were more like harry and peter's in spidey 3, and goblin costume was better, it may have held better.

But it can't be excused for setting up the entire franchise on a love story or setting up peter as a nice kid, it really limited the whole franchise's potential and can be blamed for why it is where it is now?

 

[Hmarrs]

Nov.Rain you posted:
The reason they did this again comes down to the direction they took with making parker clean cut instead of a secret arrogant bastard who gets a big helping of humble pie.
_________________________________________________________________________

I first I thought..No that's not true but then I thought for a moment.
Spiderman is really freakin arrogant what with his wise craking and obnoxious behaviour.

In my own mind as weird as this seems >I think'That's Spiderman.Peter Parker is humble.

Of course they are the same person.So what your saying is as Peter Parker he get's humbled but as Spiderman he is still the same arrogant person actually the Spiderman personna is his realease to be that way.

Oddly enough though with great power comes gret responsibility.I would think he would be more serious as Spiderman and more humble.As to not abuse his power.

But then since in reality it was really Peter Parker who screwed up at the time.I could could see how the Peter Parker Personna would be kept in check.

it was peter Parker who let Ben down not Spiderman.

Spiderman becomes his excuse.
Very interesting hmmmmmm......

 

[November Rain]

the serious spiderman role is a punishment and a lesson to act responsibly

the cocky spiderman persona is a release from that punishment, and from his every day life problems

sometimes he can be both IN THE VERY SAME SCENE...



1:54 in 3:47
responsiblity drags him away, he frustrates about felicia and he frustrates about being broke, his arrongant side makes fun of criminals, responsiblity deals with them, gloats and then responbility humbles him


it's the bliss of duality and its the constant flipping that makes the character interesting.

this is shown beautifully in that tas ep with all the different spidermen 'i really reall hate clones'. The spiderman from the dimension who didn't lose uncle ben is an arrogant hero, loved by all and he's a complete utter ass all the way through, he has it all and has the t-shirt to prove it. THAT's the peter parker that let uncle ben die (maybe the robber didn't exist in that universe). That's the peter parker in all of the other spiderman but they've all been humbled by the death of a loved one so that persona only comes out in a channelled frustration which gets funnelled into their spiderman role.

Stan Lee really created something genius whether on purpose or not. I continually try to show this element of spidey to people, people who have been reading it for decades or new fans, the simple delicacy of one man's relationship with how to deal with the world around him and fight his inner urges and expected desires.

 

[The Joker]

All the more reason to save her quickly

And he tried. But Ock stopped him. First Ock started slamming Spidey into the building repeatedly after Spidey snagged May with the webbing. Then when Spidey tried to go after May again after briefly shaking off Ock, Ock pulled him back down again, they tumbled down the building, and Ock threw Spidey across the street.

He tried ONCE to rescue her, he didnt know she was safe and neither did she, hence the screaming for help

I love how you're telling me what Spidey knows. Asked him, did you?

Lets look at the evidence. Aunt May was dangling over a ledge. Something this building had many of. It wasn't even a little tiny ledge. It was big green one sticking out like a sore thumb. Can you explain how Spidey would not have seen that? They were all over the building. We know how May couldn't, because she was facing up dangling from her brolly.

Second, why would Spidey be so anxious to get to May? Could it be because she was in danger of being harmed in the battle with Ock? Like how MJ was in the other super villain battles, in which he saved her first before taking out the villain. Yes, of course. And his concern was justified because Ock did grab May again.

And as I said above, even if Spidey didn't know about the ledge, he still tried to save her with every chance he got. Which was only once.

dont start getting arsey because this has been a good friendly debate.

I'm not

The points you make about Spidey 1 and 3 are correct, in those situations, he put innocents first, with that fight, IMO he didnt, Aunt May was in danger for 90% of the fight, yet ONCE he tried to get her out of there.

Because he only got one chance to do it when he briefly shook Ock off by pulling him in with webbing and socking him in the face, sending him falling down the building. But Ock recovered quickly and pulled Spidey back down again before he reached May, and he never let Spidey go until he tossed him across the street.

You'll notice in the battles mentioned in SM-1 and SM-3, Spidey could only try and save a civilian when he was not being accosted by the villain. Like when he tried to get to MJ, but Goblin intercepted him and smashed him into a window. Or when giant Sandman appeared in SM-3, and stopped him from going up to MJ.

Same thing here with Ock. Ock intercepted Spidey's attempts to save May.

Dont know exactly how much a building or dumpster would break a fall, especially from that height, and with both, within seconds he was moving around normally,

You don't know how much a building and a dumpster would break a fall? Two objects of vastly different height would have great impact on a fall. Especially when he hit the building near the top.

with the train, it also took a couple of seconds.

Staggering to your feet was not a couple of seconds. Swinging in full force without a bother, that was a couple of seconds.

But at other points in the movie they were in danger yet didnt move until Ock willed them to

When? I'd like specific examples. Like when MJ snuck up on Ock from behind and the tentacles spotted her and swatted her away? They reacted when needed. Ock himself never even saw MJ coming. His back was to her.

Same as in the bank when Spidey swung in from behind, the tentacles warned Ock there was a danger behind him.

again suggesting they needed him awake to actually move him.

How does that make an iota of sense to you? You see TWO of them in the movie carrying him around. He could even walk on them while carrying MJ. And you think all FOUR of them couldn't lift his unconscious carcass?

Man, come on. This is getting absurd now.

Well thats your choice, but the fact that other people are making them means they are more than nitpicks to me. If you think this the best thing maybe to do is agree to disagree.

People in a vast minority. And every time this crops up, it's usually always by this small little group, usually by November Rain alot of the time And given the reasoning I've read behind these "complaints", especially with the superb stuff Dragon's been posting, along with photographic evidence and comic book references to rebuff these complaints, I know they are simply nit picks.

Not singling you out. Us comic book geeks nit pick all the time. It's what we do. It's in the genes. I've done it myself.

 

[Hmarrs]

What is a Flaw to one is a Nitpick to another.
And what is a Nitpick to one is a Flaw to another.

Honestly the answer is somewhere in the middle.

Again compeling arguments on both sides.