The Amazing Spider-Man Will the clocktower/train sequence ever be topped?

[Ipodman]

TDK had no great action scenes tbh.

The Hulk vs Abomination fight in TIH was on par with Spidey 2's Train fight

 

[The Joker]

My one criticism is Ock shrugging off Spidey's super punches in this otherwise amazing set-piece.

Here's my explanation for this:

1. This Doc Ock had A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system. So he certainly wasn't going to be losing consciousness.
2. Spidey pulls his punches. Where would his 'With great power comes great responsibility' philosophy be if he used his great strength to put his fist through Ock's face?

Its like Nolan was sick that day and James Cameron came in to direct that scene.

Very nicely said lol. That Joker truck chase in TDK is all kinds of awesome. Need more of that kind of greatness in TDKR.

 

[Robin91939]

Spider-man 2: $200 Million budget. (Well spent, OSCAR WINNING money, mind you)
Untitled Spider-man Reboot: Estimated $80 Million budget, then adjust for inflation...

No. They won't top the train sequence with that budget, or when you compare Lizard to Doctor Octopus...It won't happen. Maybe in a sequel with a higher budget and a villain like Electro, Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom....

I don't think the new film is aiming for spectacle, it is aiming for character, story and Parker's struggle in being a hero. And you'll find no complaints on my end about that...

-R

 

[TX85]

It doesn't matter if the fight scenes match or surpass the fight scenes of the previous films in terms of epic-ness, as long as they fit into the story, and both effect the characters emotionally and are effected by what the characters bring into the situation from their lives.

I mean, take Star Wars for example. In the prequels, the light saber duels are awesome and way more epic and over the top than they were in the original trilogy. But what is usually considered to be the best duel in the entire franchise?

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Why? Because of how it resonates emotionally, how the story has built up to this point. Not because it's flashy.

Indeed!

 

[spider-neil]

Two points;
1) if I'm being honest the best duel from the entire star wars franchise is the darth maul v ob1/neeson

2) that 80m budget is rumour it's not a fact

 

[the amazing fro]

I agree with some of the above posters. It doesn't matter if the fight scenes match or surpass the fight scenes of the previous films in terms of epic-ness, as long as they fit into the story, and both effect the characters emotionally and are effected by what the characters bring into the situation from their lives.

I mean, take Star Wars for example. In the prequels, the light saber duels are awesome and way more epic and over the top than they were in the original trilogy. But what is usually considered to be the best duel in the entire franchise?

[YT]0M241GwjRy4[/YT]

Why? Because of how it resonates emotionally, how the story has built up to this point. Not because it's flashy.

Personally the Darth Maul vs Obi Wan and Qui Gon is the best duel by a clear mile not saying that the others at bad, far from it, its just that everything in the sequence is just perfect. The music, the editing, the choreography, the special effects, ray park, the Darth maul character.

Its so good it makes an awful movie seem ok.

and no, I doubt the train fight will ever be topped certainly not in this movie. The lizard does have great potential for some very atmospheric and suspenseful fights but for sheer epicness its unlikely

 

[jacobed]

The Darth Maul is definitely the best dual and I would say that the Obi/Anakin fight has the most emotion in it. Will it top the train fight? No, it won't come close but then again I dont think any of us are expecting it to. I'm definitely expecting it to top the fights with Green Goblin though.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Two points;
1) if I'm being honest the best duel from the entire star wars franchise is the darth maul v ob1/neeson

2) that 80m budget is rumour it's not a fact

This kinda goes back to what I said earlier about the nature of fight scenes.

The final Smith/Neo confrontation in the 3rd Matrix was ten times more visually stunning then their final confrontation in the first movie. But I enjoy the first movie much more because I was more invested in the storyline of the first Matrix.

One of my favorite fight scenes in a movie is the apartment fight scene in Bourne Ultimatum. The intensity and brutal nature was great, and the way it went from the foot chase literally crashing into the fight scene was just awesome.

Is that scene anywhere near what the train fight was? No, of course not, but I actually enjoy it more, largely because of the storyline of the movie.

*Edit* Not sure how a facepalm got in there, didn't mean it to.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Two points;
1) if I'm being honest the best duel from the entire star wars franchise is the darth maul v ob1/neeson

For sheer kinetic physicality, yeah, I agree, but I prefer the Luke/Vader duel for dramatic reasons, it gives me the most satisfaction all round. It has the classic moments when Vader blasts Luke through the window by using his superior force powers on him, and of course the revelation at the end, as well as cloud city and the freezing chamber being the better setting(in fact the setting in TPM seems to be a knock off of cloud city, in an attempt to recreate that kind of duel atmosphere, battling amongst machinery, as well as bridges, levels etc).
So, even though they may not have a battle between Spidey and Lizard that is as physically and kinetically complicated as the train battle, with a little imagination, they could bring us something that is as satisfying to watch, if they play it dramatically well, let's say Spidey trying to get the serum down the Lizard's throat to cure him....fighting off cops while fighting the lizard as he is trying to protect Conners after making a promise to his family....things like that going on while they fight.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

This kinda goes back to what I said earlier about the nature of fight scenes.

The final Smith/Neo confrontation in the 3rd Matrix was ten times more visually stunning then their final confrontation in the first movie. But I enjoy the first movie much more because I was more invested in the storyline of the first Matrix.

For me, it's not just that though, comparing those two fights particularly, the first fight has better moves and is paced much better, I'd say it won on physicality as well as the drama.
But I agree in general, and was saying much the same thing in my last post, the drama and atmosphere of the fight contributes greatly to my viewing experience, not just how well co-ordinated the movies are.

 

[NinjaCarm]

This thread is kinda lame...?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Spider-man 2: $200 Million budget. (Well spent, OSCAR WINNING money, mind you)
Untitled Spider-man Reboot: Estimated $80 Million budget, then adjust for inflation...

No. They won't top the train sequence with that budget, or when you compare Lizard to Doctor Octopus...It won't happen. Maybe in a sequel with a higher budget and a villain like Electro, Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom....

I don't think the new film is aiming for spectacle, it is aiming for character, story and Parker's struggle in being a hero. And you'll find no complaints on my end about that...

-R

Tim Burton was hired to direct Batman cause he was a guy able to direct low budgeted movies into looking like they have a higher budget, maybe Webb can do the same

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I mean, take Star Wars for example. In the prequels, the light saber duels are awesome and way more epic and over the top than they were in the original trilogy. But what is usually considered to be the best duel in the entire franchise?

[YT]0M241GwjRy4[/YT]

Why? Because of how it resonates emotionally, how the story has built up to this point. Not because it's flashy.

 

[Ultimate Doom]

Here's my explanation for this:

1. This Doc Ock had A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system. So he certainly wasn't going to be losing consciousness.
2. Spidey pulls his punches. Where would his 'With great power comes great responsibility' philosophy be if he used his great strength to put his fist through Ock's face?



Very nicely said lol. That Joker truck chase in TDK is all kinds of awesome. Need more of that kind of greatness in TDKR.

Makes sense. Coupled with the fact that he personally knows Ock is a good man.

 

[Solidus]

I agree with some of the above posters. It doesn't matter if the fight scenes match or surpass the fight scenes of the previous films in terms of epic-ness, as long as they fit into the story, and both effect the characters emotionally and are effected by what the characters bring into the situation from their lives.

I mean, take Star Wars for example. In the prequels, the light saber duels are awesome and way more epic and over the top than they were in the original trilogy. But what is usually considered to be the best duel in the entire franchise?

[YT]0M241GwjRy4[/YT]

Why? Because of how it resonates emotionally, how the story has built up to this point. Not because it's flashy.

Agreed agreed agreed. Darth Maul duel the best? What is quantifying the best to some? The flashiness? To me if that is the only thing that gets one going then fine but to me none of the prequels had really good duels. Yes they were flashy and cool but I cared nothing for any of the characters. And if you actually watch it, there is some poor choreography in it, especially when Obi-Wan twirls and twirls and slows down a bit so Ray can move his saber down and block it.

Yea it was great as action goes, but to me an action sequence is empty if there is no connection to the characters or the events. To me with Ep I-III it's just going through the motions, mainly a bunch of wide shots showing they care nothing for the characters and just want it to be pure flashy.

As for the Clock tower scene it is amazing, that and Deathstrike vs Wolverine in X2 and the chase sequence in TDK are my favorite Comic book film actions sequences.

Will it be topped, probably, maybe not with this film, but if they have baddies such as Venom, Ock and Gobby in the future films I could easily see them doing just as or more amazing action sequences.

 

[Spideyfan93]

Wait for the fight sequences with Gobby leading up to Gwen Stacy's death. If the new film is successful both critically and financially(obviously will) and character development is done well...THE action scene leading to her death will be VERY VERY emotionally driven.

Ah so giddy thinking about it.

 

[craigdbfan]

Who hopes to see a little bit of a difference in the web slinging?

It was incredibly awesome and awe inspiring in the Raimi films but I'm wondering if they can input some minor physics into it.

Like they can have a chase scene with Spidey chasing __________ but while he is running up the sides of building he might break a window by accident by putting to much weight or something and use his Spidey reflexes to show the audience an awesome recovery.

Little stuff like that would be awesome. Hope that made sense.

 

[Ajendo]

Imagine an expanded and epic fight between spidey and the lizard done similarly to the hallway fight in inception in the sewers!

 

[the amazing fro]

Wait for the fight sequences with Gobby leading up to Gwen Stacy's death. If the new film is successful both critically and financially(obviously will) and character development is done well...THE action scene leading to her death will be VERY VERY emotionally driven.

Ah so giddy thinking about it.

That would be great if they have the balls to do it.

 

[Ajendo]

Wait for the fight sequences with Gobby leading up to Gwen Stacy's death. If the new film is successful both critically and financially(obviously will) and character development is done well...THE action scene leading to her death will be VERY VERY emotionally driven.

Ah so giddy thinking about it.

Ala Anakin VS Obi Wan.

I just hope this new series has epic music to accompany spidey's amazing abilities. If there's one thing the star wars prequels did well, it was the music!

 

[Naite22]

TDK had no great action scenes tbh.

The Hulk vs Abomination fight in TIH was on par with Spidey 2's Train fight

In my opinion, that's a BIG No_****ing_WAY!!! It was a huge CG brawl. Cool, yes. But nowhere near as stylish and downright amazing as the fights in spidey 2!! The attention to detail is ten times as great in SM2 apposed to TIH. The things in general they pulled off in SM2 deserves serious ****ing credit! That movie has some of the most memorable action set-pieces in all of cinemas history. The Hulk brawl is quickly forgotten compared to that.

 

[Flint Marko]

TDK had no great action scenes tbh.

The Hulk vs Abomination fight in TIH was on par with Spidey 2's Train fight

On point.
I wasn't blown away by the train sequence. I enjoyed it, but I personally prefer even the sandman scenes from the third movie to it. Favorite comic movie action scene? Either in Iron man 2 or incredible hulk.
A spider-man/lizard brawl in the sewers has an incredible amount of potential, regardless of the budget being 'only' 80 million dollars.
I put only in quotations because some people don't understand that 80 million dollars in the year 2011 can go a lot farther in hollywood than we'd think. District 9 was made for 30 million, and that had a pretty good amount of effects.

 

[Majik1387]

In my opinion, that's a BIG No_****ing_WAY!!! It was a huge CG brawl.

So was the clocktower/train sequence.....

 

[Naite22]

So was the clocktower/train sequence.....

Yes it was. But so much more impressive and epic.. Not to mention that this is a movie that came out 5 years before TIH.

 

[Naite22]

Imagine an expanded and epic fight between spidey and the lizard done similarly to the hallway fight in inception in the sewers!

Yup, the scenes in INCEPTION in the hallway kicked so much ass, because it was all done practical in a "barrel" rotating the rum. Freaken genius, and so much more effective. It's actually embarrassing that Raimi couldn't make the wall crawling scenes in spidey stand out more then they did, when you see inception. I mean, look at Cronenbergs "The Fly" way back from 1987! They did the same trick there as they did with inception, and it rocks. Certainly puts spidey to shame! If they're smart they will take the time to do something like that for the new spidey flick!