Best MCU movie, despite 2 flaws

[Mutant 77]

First flaw:

They needed to spend more screentime depicting Strange's learning of magic at the very beginning. They needed to specify that he spent 2 or 3 YEARS learning magic, and they needed to depict more struggle from his part to learn the magic anyway.

Second flaw:

Before the GENIUS and even groundbreaking resolution of the events, I wanted 2 or 3 additional fight scenes of Strange vs. Hannibal. Just my opinion.

Other than that, this is the best MCU screenplay to date, devoided of the usual and terrible MCU clichés and predictable/boring character development, and it was VISIONARY to the nth degree.

 

[Batmannerism]

First flaw:

They needed to spend more screentime depicting Strange's learning of magic at the very beginning. They needed to specify that he spent 2 or 3 YEARS learning magic, and they needed to depict more struggle from his part to learn the magic anyway.

Second flaw:

Before the GENIUS and even groundbreaking resolution of the events, I wanted 2 or 3 additional fight scenes of Strange vs. Hannibal. Just my opinion.

Other than that, this is the best MCU screenplay to date, devoided of the usual and terrible MCU clichés and predictable/boring character development, and it was VISIONARY to the nth degree.

Totally agree on the first flaw, it felt like he learned magic in a week.

But yeah, what an amazing movie - best origin story since Iron Man.

 

[metaphysician]

Worst thing is, it would have taken all of two trivial edits to give him an extra couple years of training.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Worst thing is, it would have taken all of two trivial edits to give him an extra couple years of training.

I haven't seen the movie, but off the top of my head is there any chance that they didn't do that in order for events to be able to fit in timescale-wise with events in other movies? Just a thought

 

[Batmannerism]

I haven't seen the movie, but off the top of my head is there any chance that they didn't do that in order for events to be able to fit in timescale-wise with events in other movies? Just a thought

I think you're right - there's mention of a marine colonel with a spinal injury from using an experimental suit of armour, which I strongly believe is a reference to Rhode's accident in Civil War (there's a big argument about that in another thread).

However, I feel like he needed to be there for several years - sure he's a genius with an eidetic memory, but you feel like he needs more time.....it's a bit like the time Luke spent with Yoda, I mean, they never really explain how long he was on Dagobah - a couple of days, weeks, months ?

Still, it's not a big flaw, and the movie doesn't suffer much at all for it. Yeah, I'm nitpicking really.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I think you're right - there's mention of a marine colonel with a spinal injury from using an experimental suit of armour, which I strongly believe is a reference to Rhode's accident in Civil War (there's a big argument about that in another thread).

Ah, okay. Interesting...

However, I feel like he needed to be there for several years - sure he's a genius with an eidetic memory, but you feel like he needs more time.....it's a bit like the time Luke spent with Yoda, I mean, they never really explain how long he was on Dagobah - a couple of days, weeks, months ?

I do get where you're coming from.

Still, it's not a big flaw, and the movie doesn't suffer much at all for it. Yeah, I'm nitpicking really.

That's why we have CBMs, isn't it?

 

[metaphysician]

It can't be Rhodey, because the age is completely wrong, and Rhodey is Air Force, not Marines.

 

[Batmannerism]

It can't be Rhodey, because the age is completely wrong, and Rhodey is Air Force, not Marines.

My bad , the line is " Air Force Colonel."

 

[Grootster]

First flaw:

They needed to spend more screentime depicting Strange's learning of magic at the very beginning. They needed to specify that he spent 2 or 3 YEARS learning magic, and they needed to depict more struggle from his part to learn the magic anyway.

I might be in the minority, but I actually enjoyed how they handled his training. Yes, they could have drawn it out and depicted him struggling more, but that kind of thing has been done in a million other movies, it would be Empire Strikes Back all over again. The other route would be a training montage, which is equally overused. At heart Doctor Strange is a pretty cliche story, but I felt like Marvel skimmed over the typical tropes and made this 'done before' story seem very fresh.

I actually felt like he trained for a good amount of time, it just wasn't all shown on-screen.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm willing to trade "length of training portrayal" for what we actually got, which was "an actual good portrayal of a talented beginner". Usually when a movie says someone is "inexperienced but highly talented", they either get portrayed as a master anyway, or as a goob until the moment they aren't. Dr Strange was much more consistent: once he got over mastering the basics, he was quite good at magic, able to cast spells well beyond his years. He also was crap at using magic in combat or other stressful circumstances, and had gaping holes in his knowledge-base, both of which were flaws that mattered all the way through the movie.

Its noteworthy that he never won a single conflict through straightforward magical power in the whole movie. He always had to outthink his opponent. And not just Big Bosses, but even against mook mages.

 

[Grootster]

I'm willing to trade "length of training portrayal" for what we actually got, which was "an actual good portrayal of a talented beginner". Usually when a movie says someone is "inexperienced but highly talented", they either get portrayed as a master anyway, or as a goob until the moment they aren't. Dr Strange was much more consistent: once he got over mastering the basics, he was quite good at magic, able to cast spells well beyond his years. He also was crap at using magic in combat or other stressful circumstances, and had gaping holes in his knowledge-base, both of which were flaws that mattered all the way through the movie.

Its noteworthy that he never won a single conflict through straightforward magical power in the whole movie. He always had to outthink his opponent. And not just Big Bosses, but even against mook mages.

That's a good observation, he hasn't mastered magic yet, he's very much still in the process of learning.