The Dark Knight Better Cinematography please...

[EagleVision]

I don't know if anyone felt the way I did about BB but I felt the cinematography in BB was at times very choppy and when it cames to the fight scenes with Bats against criminals and even Ra's at the end, you wanted to see the action but the camera was so zoomed in to their punching and kicking that it was all a blur. They should have zoomed out so we could see everything in action. For me it was so frustrating to watch when the fight scenes came. So here's hoping for a better way to reinvent the look of this film. I'd also like to see more cable swinging skyscraper action but I know that won't happen. Too much like Spider-Man although Bats was the first to do it.

I.E. Although the Hulk was incredibly long and stupid at times they had good ideas with cinematography making it feel like the pages jumped on to the screen as did the Amazing Spider-Man 2 movie which right now is the superhero movie to beat on many levels. BB came real close to it. They're neck and neck.

 

[Beelze]

I didn't like much of what Hulk did, cinematography-wise. It was a film, not a comic book. It's a different medium. I felt the comic-booky look was a gimmick. Sometimes good, but sometimes it had me thinking "they know this is a film and not a comic book, right?" Same cinematography for TDK as in Begins, please.

 

[Two-Face]

I love BB's cinematography so keep it same way.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

I loved pretty much everything about Batman Begins, but honestly the chaotic camera angles during the fighting scenes were a bit much. I mean, I loved it for Batman's first appearance, but after watching the movie a couple of times, I did find myself wishing that I was able to actually see what was happening.

 

[fabman]

better cinematography?

it was great... pfister got an oscar nomination for begins...

 

[CConn]

I don't know if anyone felt the way I did about BB but I felt the cinematography in BB was at times very choppy and when it cames to the fight scenes with Bats against criminals and even Ra's at the end, you wanted to see the action but the camera was so zoomed in to their punching and kicking that it was all a blur. They should have zoomed out so we could see everything in action. For me it was so frustrating to watch when the fight scenes came. So here's hoping for a better way to reinvent the look of this film. I'd also like to see more cable swinging skyscraper action but I know that won't happen. Too much like Spider-Man although Bats was the first to do it.

I.E. Although the Hulk was incredibly long and stupid at times they had good ideas with cinematography making it feel like the pages jumped on to the screen as did the Amazing Spider-Man 2 movie which right now is the superhero movie to beat on many levels. BB came real close to it. They're neck and neck.

I believe those are more concerns about editing than cinematography. As fabman said, BB was nominated for an Oscar in that category so...it was pretty good.

 

[Lex Luthor]

I agree with the general consensus here.
Nothing was wrong with the cinematography.
Editing? I've heard complaints before. But personally, it didnt bother me at all.

 

[Anita18]

I got used to watching the fighting in BB after a few viewings. Sure, shooting a bit further out would have helped there, but I still thought that the cinematography on a whole was gorgeous, the way each scene was framed and shot. What is just perceptible is that no shot is ever still - the camera is always, always moving, panning across and such. It's just great.

 

[Punch]

Oscar nominations mean nothing in regards to quality.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

I'm sorry, but everytime I watch Batman Begins, I only wish I could actually see Batman beat up the bad guys.

 

[El Payaso]

I'm sorry, but everytime I watch Batman Begins, I only wish I could actually see Batman beat up the bad guys.

Me too. I think the big reason that keeps me away from considering BB THE Batman movie is that. the edition made me feel the ending as a big flop. Couldn't get a thing, who's punching who, then explosion, explosion, bigger explosion, the end, that was your climax.

I felt there was way too little about Batman because of that.

 

[Spider-Dan]

i agree that you can't see the fights well, and i would like that to improve. but the settings, like the ice and mountains in tibet, and gotham city are AMAZING. it should have won best cinematography.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The fights were a bit too choppy. They did need to bring the camera back a bit on those. I think if they get it to look like it did in V for Vendetta (the fast motion fights, none of the slow motion stuff) then it would be perfect.

 

[batbat_29640]

Batman Begins had the best cinematography of all the Batman films. And Nolan explained why the fight scenes were the way they were. He wanted the audiance to feel that it was a fight and not a dance. That Batman moved so quickly that you couldn't get a good glimpse of him. I think that was relayed rather well. I mean be happy that it wasn't a recap of the last four disasters. He has also stated that this film will have a different formula than the last film. Hey I'm with you in saying that I would like to "see" The Batman pull off some kickin' moves, but i loved BB for what it was.

 

[Dangerous]

I thought the cinamtography was awesome and I 'd want it to stay the same especially in the fight scenes. That was great not being able to quite make out what was going on.

 

[El Payaso]

Nolan explained why the fight scenes were the way they were.

So if Ed Wood had an explanation of why that octopus looked like rubber or why the editing made a scene to happen at both daylight and nighttime at the same time, it would make his movies any better?

He wanted the audiance to feel that it was a fight and not a dance. That Batman moved so quickly that you couldn't get a good glimpse of him.

Too bad we're the audience and not the criminals. From our POV we had several minutes of nothing instead awesome fighting.

i loved BB for what it was.

Me too, but not for what it wasn't.


Other than that, the city, the atmosphere and the photography were excellent and should remain the same. As some other members have said, Nolan's Gotham was a great deal convincing us it was an actual city.

 

[chrisdeli]

yeah i definitely agree with batbat_29640 in the way he talked about what Nolan wanted the film fighting to be. I also remember him saying something about, if he had showed the fighting from far back, he said it would, and did, look really goofy to see this man in a giant bat suit from a far fighting and looked much better close up. so it was definitely a strategy that i feel worked very well, and he should continue it.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Batman Begins had the best cinematography of all the Batman films. And Nolan explained why the fight scenes were the way they were.

He explained? I don't care why I couldn't see the fights. The fact is I couldn't see them.

He wanted the audiance to feel that it was a fight and not a dance.

You know, a couple of months ago I saw the fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Chris Byrd. I could see everything very clearly. No chaotic zooming and cutting. It was just right there for everyone to watch. When Klitschko pounded Byrd's face into hamburger meat, I never got the feeling that it was a "dance" of any kind.

I mean be happy that it wasn't a recap of the last four disasters. He has also stated that this film will have a different formula than the last film.

First of all, I'd hardly consider the Burton films "disasters" but that's just me. Second, I am very happy with Batman Begins, but that doesn't mean I there aren't some things about it I wish were different.

Hey I'm with you in saying that I would like to "see" The Batman pull off some kickin' moves, but i loved BB for what it was.

I loved Batman Begins as well. I saw the movie 9 times in the theaters. But yeah, in the sequel, I would like to be able actually enjoy watching the fights. And if you want to see Batman kicking ass too, then what are we even talking about?

I understand why Nolan did what he did in the BB... Batman's so badass, the criminals didn't know what hit them, and he wanted the audience to feel that way too... I get it. But consider this; the whole movie is viewed from Batman's perspective, not from the criminals', the exception being the fights. When watching the movie, I'd rather identify with Batman kicking the bad guys' asses, not the poor saps who got their asses kicked.

 

[El Payaso]

yeah i definitely agree with batbat_29640 in the way he talked about what Nolan wanted the film fighting to be. I also remember him saying something about, if he had showed the fighting from far back, he said it would, and did, look really goofy to see this man in a giant bat suit from a far fighting and looked much better close up. so it was definitely a strategy that i feel worked very well, and he should continue it.

A man in a bat suit... goofy. Well, if you feel like that about Batman I guess it woyuld be better not to be able to see him at all. :S

 

[KingOfDreams]

I liked the cinematography. Batman Begins was supposed to be a more "realistic" take on the character and story and I felt the cinematography reflected that.

 

[El Payaso]

Realistic = inability to see the fights? How?

 

[KingOfDreams]

I could see the fights. The close-ups made them seem more urgent and frenetic...like real fights usually are. I liked that.

 

[Bathead]

The last time I was in a fight it looked to me EXACTLY like the fights in Begins. So, it was realistic.

 

[El Payaso]

The last time I was in a fight it looked to me EXACTLY like the fights in Begins. So, it was realistic.

Whoa, man. How many ninjas did you beat?

 

[KalMart]

I liked how the fights were shot...they felt more realistic and down-n-dirty than the full-frame, over-choreographed stuff we see too much of today. Last thing we need is more pseudo-kung-fu or spinning/flipping around.