The Daily Planet Vol. 2: Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

Well, I tip my hat to James Gunn and David Zaslav for delivering one of the best Superman films in a long time .

I gave Zaslav a hard time when he was first appointed , but the results speak for themselves.

Warner Brothers already gave me Sinners which is one of my favorite films of the decade and really touched me on many levels .

If that was the only film WB had produced and greenlit, that would have been more than enough for me.

But they also produced a good Superman film, which seems to be resonating with the Normies.

I said I would praise Gunn and Zaslav , if they produced a good Superman film which would connect with people outside the fandom bubble .

The fact that the film seems to be resonating with families is great .

I came to Batman, Superman, and Spiderman, as a child through the movies, tv shows, and cartoon shows, not as a guy going to a comic shop, or comic book conventions , reading every back issue.

So, once you hook the kids , you've created a whole new generation of fans who'll stick with it, and eventually branch out to explore other aspects of the DC universe, the way I did as a kid .

So, I've got to tip my hat to Mr. Zaslav and Mr. Gunn.
 
This is dope:



I hope there’s a bunch of BTS stuff on the eventual blu ray release.


Never would have guessed that the over the shoulder portion of the barrel roll was actually shot with the actor because it looked like CGI. I'd love to know what the technical reasons were for actually shooting it like that considering everything you actually see on camera, at least when the camera is behind him, is CGI ie the cape & his hair.
 
Well I think certain spoilers would be less shocking for people if they read it. :)
 
I think I enjoyed that documentary more than the actual film.
I remembered part of it had Kevin Spacey driving around in a golf cart dragging a large Superman figure behind hit saying death to superman and words like that over a bullhorn lol.
 
As much as Byrne annoys me I think people really need to read the MOS reboot he wrote after Crisis...for no particular reason ;)
There are things I like about Byrne's take, but if you are implying people should read it because of his influence on this film's depiction of the Els and Krypton, well, that is precisely why many are having an issue:
In 2005, while criticizing portrayals of Superman emphasizing his connection to his home planet, Byrne described immigrants with excessive attachment to their nations of origin as "ungrateful little ****s."[116] Similar views were earlier expressed in Byrne's The Man of Steel (1986), in which Superman was not considered born until after his Kryptonian artificial matrix opened after landing in Kansas, thus making him an American citizen by birth. The miniseries ends with Superman declaring, "Krypton bred me, but it was Earth that gave me all I am. All that matters."
 
John Byrne sucks. Please don't use John Byrne to defend this movie.
John Byrne may suck, but that doesn't change the fact that he's written a seminal origin story and (uneven) run on Superman. Certainly, not everything he did for the character works (he gets heavy on the American jingoism at times, some plot points are dumb and others were rightfully undone), yet pretending it doesn't exist or didn't contribute to Superman's history also isn't quite genuine IMO .

The movie does cherrypick aspects that were jumpstarted in the Byrne version, but also then approaches in a completely different fashion.

There are things I like about Byrne's take, but if you are implying people should read it because of his influence on this film's depiction of the Els and Krypton, well, that is precisely why many are having an issue:

Which isn't what the movie does or its point.
 
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John Byrne sucks. Please don't use John Byrne to defend this movie.
Point of order: I am not using him to defend the film (I hate that reboot and well...greatly dislike him) I was just arguing the Gunn version of the Els is not blasphemous to the comics :)

Birthright FTW!
 
John Byrne may suck, but that doesn't change the fact that he's written a seminal origin story and (uneven) run on Superman. Certainly, not everything he did for the character works (he gets heavy on the American jingoism at times, some plot points are dumb and others were rightfully undone), yet pretending it doesn't exist or didn't contribute to Superman's history also isn't quite genuine IMO .

The movie does cherrypick aspects that were jumpstarted in the Byrne version, but also then approaches in a completely different fashion.



Which isn't what the movie does or its point.
It fits its time (1985 Reagan Era was very...'Murica) but was outdated by the time Jurgens started writing Superman. By the time Death of Superman came out the origin seemed to be still Canon but mostly shuffled aside. (Outside of the Eradicator of course who became the Kryptonian ideal of Superman)

Streamlining the origin was helpful, but jettisoning Superboy and making Krypton cold and joyless (and not going to lie, a futuristic version of what we live in now) was just wrong. Ot to mention the ancillary characters that it did away with...
 
Having seen it 3 times that left me on a strong Superman high, a mix of thoughts:

- One nit I can't get past: the Justice Gang. That they weren't depicted as staunch critics (repeatedly, not just passingly) of Superman defending Jarhanpur was a big miss, bc it would've made the ending hit much harder. It should've been a major plot point. Max Lord should have been a bigger part of it, tightly controlling every heroic act and media appareance the JG do. Their HQ should've been a corporate hub crawling with staff and receptionists and merchandising/media executives, not just a big room with only the 3 mucking about. The corporate superhero team idea is really fun and should've been squeezed for more juice.

- The social media discourse around this film has been extremely satisfying. Punk rock, kindness=cool, G@za, "no one is an alien", Krypto, etc. I've always wanted to see Superman embraced as a cultural thing on an emotional level. That had always felt elusive with the other movies. It's satisfying to see people getting out of this little pop culture thing what you've always felt was there... comfort, inspiration, validation, what have you.

- The Murphy/Fleming score. Look, it doesn't have the merit of MOS, because that created a whole mood and identity from scratch, and Zimmer and Snyder will always have that on this one. That being said, tracks like "Last Son" and "Your actions" have a staying power with me that rivals or even surpasses the best of the MOS tunes. That may change in time, granted. But Corenswet's Superman has a wonderfully hummable theme that I would sorely miss if future directors ever replaced it.

- This movie has been educational for me, bc it enlightens what makes for a "creatively successful" superhero film, the kind that people go back to over and over. It's really not a difficult formula. It comes down to moments. Four or five moments you spend the whole rewatch salivating for, bc you know how hard they'll tug at your strings. Mine: the pre-title flight; the Clark/Lois interview; Pa Kent; the Ultraman/Engineer fight; the "I'm human" speech; the flying kiss. This movie ain't perfect at all, but those flaws feel small when those moments are there. It's a "joke" where the punchline works. And if I were invited to watch it again, darn it, even at this point, I probably would.
 
I really loved Brandon's supportive comments about the film here.



I still feel bad to this day that Brandon was never given a proper chance to make Superman his own on the big screen. The CW version of "Crisis on Infinite Earths" really showed that he could have been a GREAT Superman when given the proper material.
 
I LOVED his take on rebooting Superman back in 86 I used to have a graphic novel that reprinted the first like 10 issues of his Man of Steel books.
That was the comic I grew up on & that got me into Superman.
Absolutely loved it & still have it.
 
I still feel bad to this day that Brandon was never given a proper chance to make Superman his own on the big screen. The CW version of "Crisis on Infinite Earths" really showed that he could have been a GREAT Superman when given the proper material.
I feel the same way about Henry. Both actors were never given the chance to properly play Superman given the material and direction they were saddled with.
 

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