Black Panther: Wakanda Forever General Discussion and Speculation Thread

Aldis Hodge, 33 would be a good choice to assume the role of T’Challa / Black Panther. Hodge is not a major name yet in Hollywood/with general audiences, but he has a long career with recognizable work in film & television.

Regardless of casting; Coogler, the creative team, and whoever this new actor will be will all need to work hard to simultaneously honor Boseman while still carving a new identity for the character.

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I don't like the recasting option (not without invoking some multiverse shenanigans, honestly) but Hodge would be a choice I'd support if they went with it. I'd rather whoever they get look at least somewhat like Boseman, and Hodge is the closest option I've seen someone suggest so far. Nothing against Glover, but hard no. Washington, eh...
 
IMHO, it's a realistic possibility that Ryan Coogler may depart Black Panther 2. Especially if it's pushed back.
 
IMHO, it's a realistic possibility that Ryan Coogler may depart Black Panther 2. Especially if it's pushed back.

I don't want to go too deep into this rabbit hole. But I will say if he did depart because it would be too hard to continue, who would blame him? Or does he use this as a chance to honor his friend? Who knows, but I won't think about this too much unless it actually happens
 
Well they'd have to bring in someone new who has a different vision for the franchise and their own story to tell. Whatever Coogler planned likely won't happen as intended now.
 
Well they'd have to bring in someone new who has a different vision for the franchise and their own story to tell. Whatever Coogler planned likely won't happen as intended now.

Well, too a certain extent, no it won't. But we don't know if the core story will be effected at this point.
 
I know the plot was centered around Bosemans T'challa but that shouldn't prevent them continuing the story for character in general. At least for continuitys sake. The we way i see it is boseman laid the groundwork for the character. At the end of the day he had a script and a director as well. Even though he added his own flourishes.
 
Coogler won't be leaving the project. If he hasn't finished the final script he's almost there. Boseman's death will only double down to make sure Coogler makes this film special. I think people are underestimating just how much the Black Panther property means to those involved making these films. This is a film franchise that bares a lot of responsibility absent from most film projects because they're all run of the mill; same goes for a lot of films in the MCU to be honest. If Coogler wasn't the writer/director of this film I'd be panicking but because of how deep a thinker he is, how intelligent he is and the merit he brings artistically to his film projects I'm not worried who he'll cast to replace Boseman as T'Challa.
 
T'Challa in the comics is a scientific genius with expertise in multiple disciplines. His father was killed by Ulysses Klaue and his step-mother is Ramonda. He punched out the devil and was "He who put the knife where it belonged"

This ain't the comics.

Yes, T'Challa is important. And we were very lucky to be graced with Boseman's wonderful portrayal across multiple wildly successful movies in a very short period of time. But this can no longer be, so rather than awkwardly move forward with a soap opera style recast - perhaps "T'Challa is now played by Alphonso Ribiero" in the opening credits? - I would much prefer to move forward with the amazing cast already in place. Hopefully Feige and Coogler agree.



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We literally have a recast War Machine and Hulk in this universe. Obviously wildly different situations, but acting like the concept of a recast is just too wild to ever be accepted isn’t fair. Why is any recast “like a soap opera”?

Here’s another curveball, even if say Shuri becomes the new Panther. She communes with her ancestors, yet T’Challa’s not there?
 
I don't like the recasting option (not without invoking some multiverse shenanigans, honestly) but Hodge would be a choice I'd support if they went with it. I'd rather whoever they get look at least somewhat like Boseman, and Hodge is the closest option I've seen someone suggest so far. Nothing against Glover, but hard no. Washington, eh...

Glover was already in Spider-Man: Homecoming.
 
We literally have a recast War Machine and Hulk in this universe. Obviously wildly different situations, but acting like the concept of a recast is just too wild to ever be accepted isn’t fair. Why is any recast “like a soap opera”?

I wasn't "acting like the concept of a recast is just too wild to ever be accepted". It obviously worked for a supporting character with one appearance and another character coming off a film with little connectivity to MCU proper.

But recasting a beloved character with multiple well received performances in hugely successful films, and with ties to many of the major MCU players past, present & future carries a much greater degree of difficulty. I referenced the old timey soap opera tradition of swapping out actors on the fly as an example of how awkward swapping out Boseman for the new guy could be.

Here’s another curveball, even if say Shuri becomes the new Panther. She communes with her ancestors, yet T’Challa’s not there?
He would be there in panther form.
 
Plus it makes no sense to kill off T'Challa again especially when you brought the character back when you reversed the Thanos Snap in Avengers Endgame...why do the Snap and bring him back at all only to kill him off again offscreen? At least with a recast, you are keeping the character alive since the character is so beloved and you're continuing the legacy
 
While i like the Idea of Shuri becoming the new Black Panther...im all for Recasting.
I know people want to honor Bosemans legacy and all, but wasnt a important part of the Message he personally had, that Black Panther showed POC that they too can be Heroes and all that.

And its not like his legacy would vanish with Recasting the role.
You would still have Black Panther, the Avengers movies...his legacy will always be there.

But i get that its a tough choice to make.
 
...and Geemma Chan was in Captain Marvel
...and Michelle Yeoh was in Guardians 2

Glovers character was pretty blink or miss it in HC
 
I would almost say that a lesser known actor, ala Chris Reeve's casting for Superman 78 and more recently, Tom Holland for Spiderman, may be an option.

And I emphasis may be because I don't know if its the best option.

On the positive side, they come to the role with no baggage and a clean slate , and aren't known as playing another well known character.

It becomes easier for the audience to accept them as the new T'Challa than an actor with a higher profile.

They'd have alot to prove, but since they wouldn't be the most high profile actor in the world they're be alot less of the usual " OMG, That guy is playing Black Panther! He's totally wrong for the part!" stuff we see whenever these roles are cast.

The main problem with the " cast an unknown or lesser know actor" route, is that you could run into the issue of whether they have the experience, the talent, the presence , to conceivably portray a T'Challa who's been around a few years to have experienced CW, BP, IW, and EG and has been a King.

An unknown, depending on their acting experience, and age may come off as green.

There is a comfort in casting a known actor the audience already has positive feelings about . While you're always gonna get naysayers whoever is cast, if the actor is already proven , there's alot less concern about putting a billion dollar series on his shoulders.
 
I would almost say that a lesser known actor, ala Chris Reeve's casting for Superman 78 and more recently, Tom Holland for Spiderman, may be an option.

And I emphasis may be because I don't know if its the best option.

On the positive side, they come to the role with no baggage and a clean slate , and aren't known as playing another well known character.

It becomes easier for the audience to accept them as the new T'Challa than an actor with a higher profile.

They'd have alot to prove, but since they wouldn't be the most high profile actor in the world they're be alot less of the usual " OMG, That guy is playing Black Panther! He's totally wrong for the part!" stuff we see whenever these roles are cast.

The main problem with the " cast an unknown or lesser know actor" route, is that you could run into the issue of whether they have the experience, the talent, the presence , to conceivably portray a T'Challa who's been around a few years to have experienced CW, BP, IW, and EG and has been a King.

An unknown, depending on their acting experience, and age may come off as green.

There is a comfort in casting a known actor the audience already has positive feelings about . While you're always gonna get naysayers whoever is cast, if the actor is already proven , there's alot less concern about putting a billion dollar series on his shoulders.


I'd say Aldis Hodge is unknown enough but also has the talent and look for the part. A known actor isn't always useful even if they bring positive feelings, because then you can only see that actor in the role.

Unless of course you are casting a known actor who is known for playing a part that is similar to the role you are casting for - eg Patrick Stewart was known for Picard, but people already saw him as suitable for Professor X. If Bryan Singer had cast William Shatner as Professor X instead, then his Shatnerisms would've simply gotten in the way.
 
I would almost say that a lesser known actor, ala Chris Reeve's casting for Superman 78 and more recently, Tom Holland for Spiderman, may be an option.

And I emphasis may be because I don't know if its the best option.

On the positive side, they come to the role with no baggage and a clean slate , and aren't known as playing another well known character.

It becomes easier for the audience to accept them as the new T'Challa than an actor with a higher profile.

They'd have alot to prove, but since they wouldn't be the most high profile actor in the world they're be alot less of the usual " OMG, That guy is playing Black Panther! He's totally wrong for the part!" stuff we see whenever these roles are cast.

The main problem with the " cast an unknown or lesser know actor" route, is that you could run into the issue of whether they have the experience, the talent, the presence , to conceivably portray a T'Challa who's been around a few years to have experienced CW, BP, IW, and EG and has been a King.

An unknown, depending on their acting experience, and age may come off as green.

There is a comfort in casting a known actor the audience already has positive feelings about . While you're always gonna get naysayers whoever is cast, if the actor is already proven , there's alot less concern about putting a billion dollar series on his shoulders.
I think Marvel could warm an actor up to the audience by giving reverential respect to the actor who had passed before him. Marvel has always done a solid, for those towering figures that represented the company in some way.

I mean, this is something Marvel HAS to deal with, in respect, to recasting their main two actors anyhow--post-Endgame.
 
I'd say Aldis Hodge is unknown enough but also has the talent and look for the part. A known actor isn't always useful even if they bring positive feelings, because then you can only see that actor in the role.

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Which is a potential downside for casting a known actor. Then again , the positive feelings may mean you're more open to them taking the part than you might be with an unknown.

Even if you only see them in that one role, that doesn't mean you won't go see them as BP or won't be happy or accept that they are the new BP.

General Audiences are alot more open minded than alot of the diehard fans tend to be when it comes to recasts.

So, it can go either way.

Either option has pluses and minuses to it.
 
Which is a potential downside for casting a known actor. Then again , the positive feelings may mean you're more open to them taking the part than you might be with an unknown.

Even if you only see them in that one role, that doesn't mean you won't go see them as BP or won't be happy or accept that they are the new BP.

General Audiences are alot more open minded than alot of the diehard fans tend to be when it comes to recasts.

So, it can go either way.

Either option has pluses and minuses to it.

I mean that you see the actor rather than seeing them becoming the character. In other words, the actor overshadows the character.

For example, if you cast someone like Eddie Murphy or Kevin Hart, as good a performance as they could give, you probably could never get past them for who they are as actors and would not ever really see T'Challa.

While he was an unknown at the time, Kurt Russell once starred as Elvis. Now whenever I see that film I don't remotely see Elvis but Kurt Russell, even though at the time he probably wasn't overshadowing the role. But that's an example of someone who later becomes much bigger that their earlier performance now doesn't gel anymore.
 
Elvis film was 1979.

From the wiki on Kurt:

In the late 1960s, he signed a ten-year contract with The Walt Disney Company where, according to Robert Osborne, he became the studio's top star of the 1970s.


He'd been acting since the age of 12 onscreen.


In 1970 Kurt may not have been the Will Smith or Tom Cruise of his time but he was very far from being "unknown".
 
I don’t know what Marvel will do here but I have to say that I think they should ultimately recast the role. I know bloggers everywhere are getting on their high horses, saying that a recast is a terrible idea. While I wouldn’t recommend making a recasting announcement right NOW, I think they should be able to ultimately do so. Why? Well, like many others have said, this character just got started on the big screen. There are many more T’Challa stories to tell. Yes, I know Shuri also becomes BP in the comic books, but I think people are shrugging off the importance of T’Challa as a character and focusing too much on the mantle.

I’m not in any way trying to diminish what Boseman did in the role. I thought he was amazing. He was amazing in pretty much every role I’ve seen him in. But this character is so important, both culturally and within the MCU. I think there are many more stories to tell, most notably the one Coogler has been working on. And it’s not fair to ask him to scrap his script entirely or try to overhaul it and make T’Challa dead and center the story on Shuri.

I don’t know what’s the right answer here. But I think the character should continue. I think people will ultimately give a new actor a chance, because they have to eventually, right? After Heath Ledger died, there were people who said no one could ever play the Joker again. Well, not only was that wrong, but one of them was so good that he also won an Oscar. It’s not fair to just close the book entirely on T’Challa. The character means too much.

Lastly, I’ll just say that I like the Aldis Hodge suggestion. He was one of my picks for John Stewart. He’s excellent of City on a Hill, and was also really good in Brian Banks. I don’t know if he could pull of T’Challa but he’d definitely be on my shortlist.
 
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If anybody is interested then all Black Panther series (single issues) are currently free on comixology. About 300 issues total. Somebody even made a handy list (if you're an EU user then just replace the .com with .eu):

1977 - 1979: Black Panther (1977-1979) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology

1988: Black Panther (1988) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology

1998 to 2003: Black Panther (1998-2003) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology

2005 to 2008: Black Panther (2005-2008) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology

2008 to 2010: Black Panther (2008-2010) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology

2010 to 2012: Black Panther: The Man Without Fear (2010-2012) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology

2016 to 2018: Black Panther (2016-2018) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology

2018 to now: Black Panther (2018-) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology

Agents of Wakanda (2019 - ): Black Panther And The Agents Of Wakanda (2019-) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology


Flags of our father mini: https://www.comixology.com/Captain-...-Flags-Of-Our-Fathers-2010/comics-series/4076



Vs Deadpool (2018): Black Panther vs. Deadpool (2018-2019) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology



Long Live the King (2017 - 2018): Black Panther: Long Live The King (2017-2018) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology



Sound and Fury one shot (2018): Black Panther: The Sound And The Fury (2018) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology



And the Crew (2017): Black Panther And The Crew (2017) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology


World of Wakanda (2016-2017): Black Panther: World of Wakanda (2016-2017) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology


Rise of (2018): Rise of the Black Panther (2018) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology

Klaws of the Panther :
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Klaws of the Panther Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology
The killer composed of living sound is back with a new and deadly plan that will spill blood from the Savage Land to the streets of New York. Beware of Klaw, Master of Sound!
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Shuri :
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Shuri (2018-2019) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology
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Killmonger :
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Killmonger (2018-2019) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology
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Doomwar :
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Doomwar, Vol. 1 Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology
Wakanda has been conquered, its Vibranium reserves plundered. Storm faces execution in the next 48 hours. And Dr. Doom stands triumphant. It will take the combined forces of the X-Men, the Fantastic Four and the two Black Panthers to stand against him.
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Black Panther 2099 :
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Black Panther 2099 (2004) #1 - Comics by comiXology
T'Challa is gone, but Wakanda stands strong. The vibranium mines are still active and it remains one of the richest countries in the world. T'Challa left no heir, and since his passing, a succession of Wakandans have attempted to claim the throne. Doctor Doom of Latveria has turned his sights on...
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Movie tie-in prelude :
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Marvel's Black Panther Prelude (2017) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology
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Marvel Action Black Panther :
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Marvel Action Black Panther (2019-) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology
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X-Men #175 and #176 (crossover issues)
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X-Men (2004-2007) #175 - Comics by comiXology
The X-Men travel deep to the heart of Africa to investigate reports of strange, mutated animals roaming wild near Wakanda. But what happens when their discoveries lead them to the King of Wakanda himself-the Black Panther?!
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X-Men (2004-2007) #176 - Comics by comiXology
The X-Men's team-up with Black Panther continues! With the X-Men captured, Storm and Black Panther are going to have to put their differences aside and work together before all of Africa is overrun with mutated monstrosities!
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Avengers Wakanda Forever
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Avengers: Wakanda Forever (2018) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology
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X-Men Wakanda Forever
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Amazing Spider-Man Wakanda Forever
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Amazing Spider-Man: Wakanda Forever (2018) Digital Comics - Comics by comiXology
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Marvel Tales BP, with a couple of Jungle Action (lol) issues in it :
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Marvel Tales: Black Panther (2019) #1 - Comics by comiXology
The Black Panther is on the prowl as we celebrate Marvel’s 80th anniversary with the return of the era-spanning MARVEL TALES! This anthology series shines a spotlight on fan-favorite characters, features timeless stories and highlights some of Marvel’s most impressive talent from the past eight...
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Fantastic Four #52 (first appearance)
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Fantastic Four (1961-1998) #52 - Comics by comiXology
The first appearance of Black Panther! On a mission in the remote wilderness of Wakanda, the Fantastic Four encounter one of Marvel’s most iconic heroes. But how are the Inhumans involved in this earthly encounter? The FF bested in battle by the Black Panther!
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I would like Glover more then Washington but Glover could be a little bit short for that, I fear.
 

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