The Dark Knight BOF Report 4/17

Ronny Shade said:
I haven't seen that 80s one. Heard terrible things but I still wanna see it.

And Keyser, I think if they made a Punisher sequel it would pwn. Especially if he moves to NY. And I think that you need some sort of internal conflict to have a good flick. Thats why I said all the justification stuff, but you understood that.

I wasn't talking about the '80 Punisher... god that sucked. I was saying how the Jane Punisher felt like an old-school '80 action flick.
 
Oh, okay. Misunderstood. But honestly? The Tom Jane Punisher movie really didn't have enough of that 80's style action for me. Remember in Predator, when Arnie's gang goes on that raid early in the movie and how they just indiscriminately blew everything to peices? That's the kind of thing I want to see in a Punisher movie.
 
Keyser Sushi said:
Wow, that's weird. See, my favorite comic movies look much different.

1.Batman Begins
2.Spider-Man
3.Spider-Man 2
4.Hulk
5.Hellboy
6.Sin City
7.Punisher (Tom Jane version)
8.X2: X-Men United
9.X-Men
10.Superman: The Movie

That's my top ten. If I list any others I'd be listing ones that don't mean anything to me, really, except, in some instances, for nostalgia's sake.

On the issue of finding Banner relatable - the idea is that Banner is a man who grew up with an abusive father and that's where his deep-set, repressed anger comes from. This is an angle that Peter David wrote for the character back in the early 90's, and, frankly, I think it's the most dramatic tact to take with the character.

If you don't find that relatable, you just haven't lived enough yet.
Well, I´m not into the Peter David version... It´s not that his "bottled up" personality is something that can´t be related to... But I personally like the idea that Bruce is a good, nice man that struggles with that beast-like side of his nature and that, despite his issues, despite even liking it on some level, he´s still someone you care and root for. I get that feeling from Bixby. I don´t get that from Bana.
 
Ronny Shade said:
Oh, okay. Misunderstood. But honestly? The Tom Jane Punisher movie really didn't have enough of that 80's style action for me. Remember in Predator, when Arnie's gang goes on that raid early in the movie and how they just indiscriminately blew everything to peices? That's the kind of thing I want to see in a Punisher movie.

So in other words, you wanted:

cheese.gif

:)
 
The Fallen said:
On the topic sorta, I've felt for the longest time that I'm the only one who thought the first Spider-Man was better than the second, everyone else I know seems to think that the second is better! Why? I'm glad to see I'm not alone Sushi!
I'm with you on that one too. I might actually feel that way with X-Men too.
 
I think people count Spiderman 2 as better because it was more entertaining, but in terms of quality of acting Spiderman 1 was indeed superior IMO.
 
. .. This isn't the thread for it, but . ..

The first Spider-Man movie is ok, but it's not worth the hype it gets. I thought the dialogue was, for the most part, terrible. There are quite a few cool moments but not enough to make up for the cheese. A lot of the problems are corrected in 2, which is why I prefer it.
 
Off topic again, but...

I thought Spider-Man 2 was overall the better of the two without a doubt.
 
nolan's roll'n said:
We haven't heard anything about what Chris Nolan thinks about who he wants to play Harvey dent. I'm pretty sure it's Liev Schreiber though because he looks the most for the part. He looks like Harvey Dent from The Long Halloween. I haven't seen him act but whatever.
you haven't seen him act? and you want him to play if not the main character in the long haloween the second main character?

do u not care about the quality of the movie, and how good the actors can act? i am just asking this, because of how he looks isn't the best way to cast someone...if stone cold steve austin looked like bruce wayne some way in hell, i would not want him to be bruce wayne, i like good acting..

no, schrieber is a decent actor, i don't mean to take away what he can do, but your path of judgement is ******ed on this, if you want an actor to play a main character in the movie, you better be damn sure he can act
 
Ronny Shade said:
I haven't seen that 80s one. Heard terrible things but I still wanna see it.

LOL... it is... not great. It's not actually as godawful as most people say it is (at least from what I can remember) but it's not that good, either.

And Keyser, I think if they made a Punisher sequel it would pwn. Especially if he moves to NY.

Yeah, I agree. Tom Jane wants it to take place in NY, too. The way they ended the first one, though, that's a possibility. They made him mobile. I liked the Miami idea more than most people did, though. Few people realize how crooked the state of Florida really is, and how much major crime goes down in Miami.

No offense to any of you who are Floridians. (This means you, Norm... ;) )

Besides, all the Marvel heroes operate out of NY...

And I think that you need some sort of internal conflict to have a good flick. Thats why I said all the justification stuff, but you understood that.

Word. I just finished my 2nd draft of a novel about a dirty rotten bastard. It was written first-person from said bastard's POV. Without the internal conflict it would probably not be readable. :up:

ultimatefan said:
Well, I´m not into the Peter David version... It´s not that his "bottled up" personality is something that can´t be related to... But I personally like the idea that Bruce is a good, nice man that struggles with that beast-like side of his nature and that, despite his issues, despite even liking it on some level, he´s still someone you care and root for. I get that feeling from Bixby. I don´t get that from Bana.

See, I love the Bixby TV show... I grew up watching that. But when I watch it now, I have a hard time buying that Bixby's Banner has that kind of turmoil inside of himself.

One of my best friends in the whole world, I met in middle school when his father had just walked out on him and his Mom. This guy was the quietest kid... he was brilliant, but socially inept, and related to people very poorly. When he was at home, hanging out with his friends, the tiniest things would make him put his fist through the wall. He'd break his toys and destroy his furniture. He became a totally different guy.

Basically, my friend was, and is, Bruce Banner.

That anger is still in him. He hates the fact that his father is, well, his father. He has trouble facing what's inside of him. In college he tried reinventing himself. He became a social entity but the private side of him hasn't changed. His wife, however, has helped him a great deal. She IS his Betty.

With that in mind, I actually do find Bana's portrayal to be very human and very likeable. I guess because I know him, in real life. Sort of. :up:

Brian2887 said:
The first Spider-Man movie is ok, but it's not worth the hype it gets. I thought the dialogue was, for the most part, terrible. There are quite a few cool moments but not enough to make up for the cheese. A lot of the problems are corrected in 2, which is why I prefer it.

What most people don't get is that Spider-Man is SUPPOSED to be cheesy. I mean, in essence at least. He deals with serious issues sometimes but it's not a very serious world that he operates in. He's a fun-lovin' goofball and his world is colorful and, frankly, weird. But he's a normal guy, a dork, really. I thought Spider-Man was a great movie, and the dialogue was perfect for the story that was being told.
 
Keyser Sushi said:
LOL... it is... not great. It's not actually as godawful as most people say it is (at least from what I can remember) but it's not that good, either.
Awesome

Yeah, I agree. Tom Jane wants it to take place in NY, too. The way they ended the first one, though, that's a possibility. They made him mobile. I liked the Miami idea more than most people did, though. Few people realize how crooked the state of Florida really is, and how much major crime goes down in Miami.

No offense to any of you who are Floridians. (This means you, Norm... ;) )
Awesome

Besides, all the Marvel heroes operate out of NY...
Awes--- I mean yeah, they do.



Word. I just finished my 2nd draft of a novel about a dirty rotten bastard. It was written first-person from said bastard's POV. Without the internal conflict it would probably not be readable. :up:
It would be readable, but probably god awful.

Or hilarious.



See, I love the Bixby TV show... I grew up watching that. But when I watch it now, I have a hard time buying that Bixby's Banner has that kind of turmoil inside of himself.

One of my best friends in the whole world, I met in middle school when his father had just walked out on him and his Mom. This guy was the quietest kid... he was brilliant, but socially inept, and related to people very poorly. When he was at home, hanging out with his friends, the tiniest things would make him put his fist through the wall. He'd break his toys and destroy his furniture. He became a totally different guy.

Basically, my friend was, and is, Bruce Banner.

That anger is still in him. He hates the fact that his father is, well, his father. He has trouble facing what's inside of him. In college he tried reinventing himself. He became a social entity but the private side of him hasn't changed. His wife, however, has helped him a great deal. She IS his Betty.

With that in mind, I actually do find Bana's portrayal to be very human and very likeable. I guess because I know him, in real life. Sort of. :up:
Awesome

What most people don't get is that Spider-Man is SUPPOSED to be cheesy. I mean, in essence at least. He deals with serious issues sometimes but it's not a very serious world that he operates in. He's a fun-lovin' goofball and his world is colorful and, frankly, weird. But he's a normal guy, a dork, really. I thought Spider-Man was a great movie, and the dialogue was perfect for the story that was being told.
Awesome.:up:
 
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Sorry, it's all I could come up with right now. ;)
 

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