Bone claws!?

[R0rschach]

it's not just that

what's more credible?

-wolverine was born with his claws but they recovered it with adamantium

-wolverine was born without claws and they created them, and the muscles needed to use them, and the nerves to activate the muscles, and so much more...

C: He had bone claws but they were removed and adamantium claws inserted instead.

 

[Savage]

Yes. Bone claws are a ludicrous idea to begin with, and to retroactively add it to his origin the way they did is just lame IMO.

Well I just think it makes more sense to have the muscles and reflexes already in his system to operate the claws than to just throw in some blades that would probably just be dead weight.

Besides, reading Weapon X, the claws were a surprise even to the people experimenting on him.

 

[the a1ant]

C: He had bone claws but they were removed and adamantium claws inserted instead.

I'd like that. It'd be my favorite explanation.

 

[R0rschach]

Plus it would kinda make sense, they could have explained this in the comics too, how the adamantium blocked his bone claws from growing back and how he got his bone claws back once mags removed the adamantium from his body cause we know the claws just kept growing back even when they broke. The bone claws are part of his mutation and there is no way around it anymore.

I always liked the fact he had claws before the adamantium.

 

[Spider-Bite]

no I do not want to see bone claws. that whole time period was just ridiculous. Wolverine is a mutant but he's a human being. That was some animal in yellow clothes with bones sticking out of the top of his hand.

 

[Savage]

You do know the bone claws are still occasionally used and referenced to in today's period of comics right?

 

[R0rschach]

The Nile is not only a river in Egypt.

 

[Spider-Bite]

The Nile is not only a river in Egypt.

It's supposed to be

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

 

[Obi-Ron]

The Nile is not only a river in Egypt.

Yes it is.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Bone claws would be a step back.

 

[Savage]

A step back from what?

 

[Infinity9999x]

no I do not want to see bone claws. that whole time period was just ridiculous. Wolverine is a mutant but he's a human being. That was some animal in yellow clothes with bones sticking out of the top of his hand.

The "evolution" of Wolverine was ridiculous. The idea of bone claws is quite the opposite. They made much more sense then the "whoops, we messed up, now you have claws. Don't know how the muscles in your forearms can move them, but you have them now" explanation that was presented in the Barry Windsor-Smith Weapon X storyline.

 

[GoldGoblin]

A step back from what?

^
I like the idea that he was born a mutant who didn't have a real deadly power,until the government made him into a deadly weapon.

But if he did have bone claws,I guess it would make more sense why he has super smelling & super hearing.

 

[Savage]

Well the twist is supposed to be that although Weapon X did tamper with him, the guy was a monster BEFORE they got him. I like to see it as a hero who recently realized he's had a villainous past. I mean Wolverine has done some pretty messed up stuff before his memory was supposedly whiped.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Well the twist is supposed to be that although Weapon X did tamper with him, the guy was a monster BEFORE they got him. I like to see it as a hero who recently realized he's had a villainous past. I mean Wolverine has done some pretty messed up stuff before his memory was supposedly whiped.

I also think though, that one of the main themes of Wolverine is, even though he's done bad things, at heart he is still essentially just a good man who has had horrible things happen to him. That's one of the reasons I like Origin so much. I like the line in Rose's diary where she says "you have your father's good nature, no matter how hard you try to hide it" or something to that effect. Logan was trying to act like the tough uncaring guy, but he can't hide his true nature. Yes, part of him is feral, but the other is a very caring individual.

That's also a big part missing from the Wolverine today. I liked the Wolverine that lamented over the lives he took when he went into his rages, the one who hated himself for giving in to his animal urges. The good man who fights against his beast within. Now a days he seems to be little more then a beefed up Punisher. He has no qualms with killing.

 

[Legion]

The "evolution" of Wolverine was ridiculous. The idea of bone claws is quite the opposite. They made much more sense then the "whoops, we messed up, now you have claws. Don't know how the muscles in your forearms can move them, but you have them now" explanation that was presented in the Barry Windsor-Smith Weapon X storyline.

A lot more happened to Logan at Weapon X than obtaining his claws there.

In each chapter something terrible happens to him ranging from painful experiments and operations, nearly being eaten alive by starved wolves, being left naked in the frozen tundra over night, forced to battle grizzly bears and tigers.

Not to mention a man with so much pride being humiliated and having is mind torn apart that he can't even recognize himself as being human anymore.

As for the claws, they still left alot up to the reader and further exploration of his past in future issues. I still prefer this story to the Stan Lee "I'm out of original ideas so I'll just say they were born this way and let someone else give the characters depth."

 

[neemer5]

Hey you choose what you think is more rationale

1- he had bone claws but somehow they put adamantium on it.

2- he didn't have.. and they implemented bones, muscles, nerves, and many other things, maybe adapt his brain so he could control them (you watched x1 and know he can put only one claw)


think of it... it's simple

Actually, they make just as much sense. You really shouldn't post stuff about concepts you don't have knowledge about. Sorry if that is mean. There's no "training" the brain with muscle transfers, nor is there implementing nerves or "other things".

The "evolution" of Wolverine was ridiculous. The idea of bone claws is quite the opposite. They made much more sense then the "whoops, we messed up, now you have claws. Don't know how the muscles in your forearms can move them, but you have them now" explanation that was presented in the Barry Windsor-Smith Weapon X storyline.

Actually, our body, especially our hands and feet, have a lot of accessory muscles that simply need to be reattached to other things to allow for a mechanism that would allow for something like this. The basic concept is what allows for things like complex movable prosthetics that can sometimes do "more than a normal limb ever could."

Your average prosthetist could easily develop something like this (I know, as I've worked with amputees). And since all existing muscles are naturally innervated and vascularized, there's no need to transfer nerves and blood vessels. In fact, they often splice just the tendon of a muscle and reroute a portion, so when you do something like squeeze a certain way, the claws could easily pop out.

But yeah, I think bone claws would be better.

 

[Congo Jack]

As for the claws, they still left alot up to the reader and further exploration of his past in future issues. I still prefer this story to the Stan Lee "I'm out of original ideas so I'll just say they were born this way and let someone else give the characters depth."

What?

 

[Legion]

What?

What I was saying was that Stan Lee's explanation for creating the original X-men was that he couldn't have every character get bitten by radioactive spiders or hit with gamma rays. So these characters would simply be born with their powers.

Although this was the start of the X-men, the characters were pretty bland and alot like a poor man's fantastic 4. Chris Claremont did alot to revitalize the series.

Wolverine had a origin that made him different from most other mutant characters and then they took that away and made him like the rest.

 

[Congo Jack]

Wolverine had a origin that made him different from most other mutant characters and then they took that away and made him like the rest.

Thanks for the clarification.

But I'm not sure I see your point. Wolverine's mutant abilities was being born with a healing factor - as I'm sure you are aware. The healing factor was what allowed him to go through the adamantium bonding process in the first place. Giving Logan 'natural' claws did nothing to make him more like the rest since he already had the mutant gene at birth.

The real crime of bone claws as far as I'm concerned is that it changes that Logan was a man that Weapon X stripped of his humanity and altered into a killing-machine. It's the same thing with the proposed plot point that Logan volunteers from the project - it completely takes away what made Logan's story so compelling - see Logan's wonderful and heart-wrenching speech from Uncanny X-Men #205 for the best reason to ignore the bone-claws retcon.

 

[Legion]

Thanks for the clarification.

But I'm not sure I see your point. Wolverine's mutant abilities was being born with a healing factor - as I'm sure you are aware. The healing factor was what allowed him to go through the adamantium bonding process in the first place. Giving Logan 'natural' claws did nothing to make him more like the rest since he already had the mutant gene at birth.

The real crime of bone claws as far as I'm concerned is that it changes that Logan was a man that Weapon X stripped of his humanity and altered into a killing-machine. It's the same thing with the proposed plot point that Logan volunteers from the project - it completely takes away what made Logan's story so compelling - see Logan's wonderful and heart-wrenching speech from Uncanny X-Men #205 for the best reason to ignore the bone-claws retcon.

You are referring to his first battle with Lady Deathstrike, that is a great example I agree.

I also feel the same way about the Weapon X program taking away his humanity and turning him into a weapon.

Although Wolverine was born a mutant with special abilites, his most well known characteristic his claws, were acquired by other means. Although every mutant went through hardships because of the way they were born, Wolverine was given a painful reminder everday that he would always be an outcast.

Wolverine was also able to take his enemies by surprise when they took means to wipeout the X-Men's mutant powers. In Uncanny X-men 150 against Magneto and 238 against the Genoshans. Wolverine was able to use his claws because they weren't part of his mutant power.

 

[CorpusBlack]

Ok, I did a search and couldnt believe that no one had posted something like this. Am I the only one who wants to see Logans bone claws in his spin off film?? We all know he can't remeber his past so seeing him with bone claws could be a real possibility!

I'd love to see bone claws at some point but not as a major factor in the film.

 

[storm-x-fan]

C: He had bone claws but they were removed and adamantium claws inserted instead.

I love adamantium claws :P

 

[Batmans Spirit]

waaaaah i want bone claws!!

 

[Logan's Heroes]

I really hope they go with the Origin story, if the bone claws aren't the same size/shape as the adamantium claws they could mention somewhere during the Weapon X scenes that they are going to grind his claws to a more useable shape.

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Listen, adamantium is indestructible is it not? So who says that the metal claws in the first few movies are too thin to be bone? Why can't they be bone covered with a hair thin layer of metal? All I'm saying is: it's entirely possible that the bone claws are the size that we see them as metal in X1-3.

I loved the Origins, so I do hope that they put them in. In my opinion, bone claws make Wolverine seem all the more awesome.


Love the forums, guys, and I hope to contribute frequently. I just wish I knew how to throw up an avatar, but I can't seem to figure it out just yet. Hmmmm...


Edit: Yeeeaaa... I see how the avatar thing works. Kinda lame, but I'll manage. Tier based forums are silly...