Bone claws!?

[Savage]

"why should I continue reading a character that I know inside out... nothing left to surprise me about him"

So you're saying that once you know a lot about a character (not just Wolverine) they're worthless? I mean what about Cyclops or Spider-man or Batman or Captain America. Plenty of characters that we know a lot about but are still interesting.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

So you're saying that once you know a lot about a character (not just Wolverine) they're worthless? I mean what about Cyclops or Spider-man or Batman or Captain America. Plenty of characters that we know a lot about but are still interesting.

No. I believe I just answered this question in my last post:

... every character has unique traits that cause them to be interesting...

 

[Savage]

Ah, well I think that Wolverine has much more going for him than the obscurity of his past. He was doing great as a character even before the whole Weapon X thing and even then all it did was boost his popularity. It made sense to try to repeat the sucess of that with Origin. Wolverine remembers everything about his past now and we STILL don't know much about his past. In fact discovering the pieces piece by piece makes Wolverine his most interesting right now.

 

[spyderman2k4]

Well I guess I'll throw in my two cents. Growing up as a TAS fan and not really having read comics, I knew nothing of the bone claws and always throught them to be given. Then the day came that I was reading around and actually discovered this claws were originally bone.

Immediately, I loved it. While it was a VERY new concept (I never would have thought that), it made a heck of a lot more sense. From a physical ability standpoint, it is way more logical (to me) that he alread had claws, and muscles and tendons and all that stuff, to cause them to come out and retract. I have since read up on Origins, and I've really liked it, I think it would make a much deeper story and help this film to not suck (cause that's pretty common for spin offs).

How to incorporate it into the movie? I think the biggest complaint is size of bone vs size of claws we've seen. I think you can use bone claws of similar size without problem. When people complain about how bones that small would break too easily or whatever, I do have to disagree. Considering they would probably be used more for stabbing rather than cutting and slicing, it seems like they would be able to survive just fine (If they didn't, who cares, they'll grow back anyway!)

 

[Infinity9999x]

Well I guess I'll throw in my two cents. Growing up as a TAS fan and not really having read comics, I knew nothing of the bone claws and always throught them to be given. Then the day came that I was reading around and actually discovered this claws were originally bone.

Immediately, I loved it. While it was a VERY new concept (I never would have thought that), it made a heck of a lot more sense.

This is what I've been saying for about a year now in this thread. I personally never understood the hate against Bone claws, but everyone has their own preference.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Wolverine's character has always been a mystery... that is a big part of the draw of the character. If anything, giving him an origin depreciates the character... it approves/disproves your assumptions/imagination of his past... it has always been referenced that he was an "animal" (or "monster", as you stated) for most of his life... I don't see how forgotten memories are essential to his current character... if he knows his own origin, it is no longer a mystery to him... and if you tell people everything about a character they will lose interest... as I have done (as he is no longer my second favorite X-Man)

My point is this: (In my opinion, at least) Wolverine was a far more interesting character before they gave him an origin... knowing what happened to him kind of negates the mystery and the character's own personal struggles.

I see where you're coming with this, and to a point I agree. You can't reveal too much about a character, because then it doesn't let the reader formulate their own ideas about the things that happened to him off page.

Though, I don't think the Origin took anything form Wolverine. It only told of his beginnings, it's not like it told us "this is wolverine's religion, and this is what Wolverine thinks about politics ect. ect."

There's a lot left untold in Origin, we don't know what happened while Wolverine was in the Canadian wilderness to Weapon X.

Let me put my thoughts into a more simplistic statement relating directly to the film (and also to the topic of this thread)... If Wolverine is shown at the beginning with bone claws... it will reduce the anticipation of finally seeing him with the claws later in the film.

I disagree with this. I don't think there will be any anticipation of Wolverine getting claws. The audiences have seen that he has claws for 3 movies. If anything, I think audiences would be annoyed that he wouldn't have claws for much of the movie. It could confuse them.

 

[ImrtlLimpWrist]

I don't see them using the 'Origin' storyline too much only because Jackman is too old to look like a guy in his 20s (nevermind teen years) and I'm sure Jackman wants to be in 80-99.9% of the movie.

I also think they will go with the added claws, not bone claws. Maybe if Stryker in X2 had said something other than "You were always an animal. We only gave you claws."

 

[Legion]

I disagree with this. I don't think there will be any anticipation of Wolverine getting claws. The audiences have seen that he has claws for 3 movies. If anything, I think audiences would be annoyed that he wouldn't have claws for much of the movie. It could confuse them.

Why would people be interested in seeing an origin movie that does not explain the suggested origin in 2/3 X-men movies?

That's like batman begins without showing his training, constructing his armor and batcave.

 

[Savage]

I don't see why the bone claws can't be shaped like the claws he has now. The metal only coated it after all, the same way it coated his bones. The claws should be sharp because they were sharp in the first place and should be able to shred flesh just as well as a bear's claws or a lion's claws or a shark's teeth. Much like Sabretooth's claws.

Naturally if they break off they just grow back though.

 

[Legion]

I don't see why the bone claws can't be shaped like the claws he has now. The metal only coated it after all, the same way it coated his bones. The claws should be sharp because they were sharp in the first place and should be able to shred flesh just as well as a bear's claws or a lion's claws or a shark's teeth. Much like Sabretooth's claws.

Naturally if they break off they just grow back though.

Right, and the character he is supposed to fight in this movie is Sabretooth, who is made out of flesh and so far has not shown to possess healing abilities in the film series. Unless i'm missing something the plot should envolve Wolverine battling Sabretooth after Silver Fox has been murdered, losing, and choosing to become part of Stryker's experiment as suggested in X2.

If he has bone claws at the start of the film, not only does this erase most the back story that has been presented in the films so far and left fans hanging since the end of X2, but a Wolverine with bone claws should not lose so badly to Sabretooth that he would think he needs to go under the processing to defeat him.

 

[shaun75]

I personally always thought it was stupid that Wolverine had bone claws. It makes more sense to me that he got them from Weapon X.

Best thing to ever happen to Wolverine was the revelation he had bone claws. The fact that he had "artificial" claws was the dumbest concept next to them wanting him to be a mutated wolverine. It makes more sense him being born with them than them adding them during weapon x. Why add 6 inch claws when you could add so much more???

 

[Savage]

Right, and the character he is supposed to fight in this movie is Sabretooth, who is made out of flesh and so far has not shown to possess healing abilities in the film series. Unless i'm missing something the plot should envolve Wolverine battling Sabretooth after Silver Fox has been murdered, losing, and choosing to become part of Stryker's experiment as suggested in X2.

If he has bone claws at the start of the film, not only does this erase most the back story that has been presented in the films so far and left fans hanging since the end of X2, but a Wolverine with bone claws should not lose so badly to Sabretooth that he would think he needs to go under the processing to defeat him.

Wait, I don't quite understand how him having bone claws would erase the backstory presented in the X-men movies. I don't think boneclaws would really affect anything said so far. Stryker could have easily been speaking figuratively or trying to confuse him even more (after every mission with Department H in the comics, his memory would be erased and he'd freak out every time he saw the claws pop out over and over).

All signs so far point to Department H and Weapon X being the same company in the movie.

 

[alfmartinez]

it's not just that

what's more credible?

-wolverine was born with his claws but they recovered it with adamantium

-wolverine was born without claws and they created them, and the muscles needed to use them, and the nerves to activate the muscles, and so much more...

 

[Legion]

Wait, I don't quite understand how him having bone claws would erase the backstory presented in the X-men movies. I don't think boneclaws would really affect anything said so far. Stryker could have easily been speaking figuratively or trying to confuse him even more (after every mission with Department H in the comics, his memory would be erased and he'd freak out every time he saw the claws pop out over and over).

All signs so far point to Department H and Weapon X being the same company in the movie.

Assuming you were a person who had little to no knowledge of what has happened to the character in the comics and are just following the story in the movies. In the movies Wolverine believes the claws are implants, Professor X says he believes his skeleton, claws, and memory loss are all somehow related. Stryker also says he gave him claws and unless you are a person who knows Wolverine has bone claws there's no reason for you to think he was being poetic.

If the prequel starts with a young logan popping his bone claws you know within maybe five minutes that he was simply born with them like every mutant is born with powers. And that's the thing, him being born with them was the obvious scenario. He was given the story with the implants to make him more interesting and set him apart from the other X-men. He was different from other mutants and that helped him get the X-men out of a couple of tight situations.

 

[Savage]

I'm thinking it'll be a twist that he does have bone claws. Maybe we'll see his origin discovered backwards only to have it all forgotten again.

 

[Eternalzero]

Bone Claws + Healing Factor + Above Average Strength + Agility + Enhanced Hearing & Smell

Make Wolverine the animal that he is. Bone Claws should be inherent in wolverine.

If you were going to make a killer weapon, why give it claws instead of guns? Bone claws please.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

NO bone claws!!!!

 

[thelastX-Man]

I read an article in an early issue of Entertainment Weekly (about a few weeks/issues back) that mentioned an early version of the script had Wolverine with bone claws before getting the metal ones. Maybe that aspect will make it into the final film?

 

[Infinity9999x]

Why would people be interested in seeing an origin movie that does not explain the suggested origin in 2/3 X-men movies?

That's like batman begins without showing his training, constructing his armor and batcave.

You misunderstood me. I said, I don't think there will be any anticipation to see Wolverine get his claws, not how his life will play out. The audience already knows that Wolverine has claws, they won't really care how he gets them, or when he gets them. What they want to see is the story of his life before the X-men.

For example, when Batman Begins came out, people didn't watch that movie to see how Batman would get the Batsuit. They watched the movie to see what happened to Bruce Wayne to prompt him to become Batman, and the struggles he had to endure to become Batman.

In short, it's not about the accessories, it's about the story.

 

[alfmartinez]

so acording to the scripts

Spoiler

HE HAS CLAWS

who won?:P

 

[chaseter]

You misunderstood me. I said, I don't think there will be any anticipation to see Wolverine get his claws, not how his life will play out. The audience already knows that Wolverine has claws, they won't really care how he gets them, or when he gets them. What they want to see is the story of his life before the X-men.

For example, when Batman Begins came out, people didn't watch that movie to see how Batman would get the Batsuit. They watched the movie to see what happened to Bruce Wayne to prompt him to become Batman, and the struggles he had to endure to become Batman.

In short, it's not about the accessories, it's about the story.

Except that it showed how Bruce got his batsuit and it will show how Wolverine gets his claws. Wolverine getting his claws is a pivotal point in his story. The batsuit is part of Batman, showing how he got it further deepens the character , same for Wolverine. If they skipped that part in the movie, how dumb would that be???

And without accessories as you put it, there would be no story. It would be bare bones minimum, dull, and boring.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Never understood how he could have had bone claws all those years that never came out - you can't tell me those thin adamantium knives are "around his natural claws."

 

[Savage]

They're not really that thin at all and is it that hard to believe that the bones are coated in metal just like his regular bones are?

 

[Obi-Ron]

They're not really that thin at all and is it that hard to believe that the bones are coated in metal just like his regular bones are?

Yes. Bone claws are a ludicrous idea to begin with, and to retroactively add it to his origin the way they did is just lame IMO.

 

[Congo Jack]

Yes. Bone claws are a ludicrous idea to begin with, and to retroactively add it to his origin the way they did is just lame IMO.

I agree. I hate the bone claws revelation - that whole thing started out as a joke made by Peter David - how I wish it would have stayed that way. The only good thing to come of it was some of the stories Larry Hama managed to craft in the aftermath of Fatal Attractions.