Bone claws!?

[Logan's Heroes]

Wolverine was also able to take his enemies by surprise when they took means to wipeout the X-Men's mutant powers. In Uncanny X-men 150 against Magneto and 238 against the Genoshans. Wolverine was able to use his claws because they weren't part of his mutant power.

OMG! I forgot about that! I even remember in the animated series when he stated, "There's nothing mutant about these."


Wow...good call.

 

[baTT]

Bone claws aren't a super-power.

In addition to his healing factor, he has enhanced senses: which means he has super human hearing and smell.

Looks like I know my Wolverine more than you do.

Bone claws are not a super power? What qualifies as a super power then?

 

[baTT]

OMG! I forgot about that! I even remember in the animated series when he stated, "There's nothing mutant about these."


Wow...good call.

That was made before the established the bone claws wasn't it?

 

[Congo Jack]

Bone claws are not a super power? What qualifies as a super power then?

Origin presented that the claws are a mutation of James Howlett's bones; and, much like Nightcrawler's blue fur - were there at birth.

I don't accept the bone claws retcon so I don't worry about whether they are a power or not, but I suppose that comparison is a half-decent way to judge the situation... do you consider Kurt's fur a power?

(almost instant) EDIT: Hmmm...thinking more into this, Kurt's skin reverts to plain caucasian when his mutant gene is inhibited, but Logan's claws remain. Perhaps my earlier cited example isn't great... any thoughts?

That was made before the established the bone claws wasn't it?

No, the episode in question was aired a few months later.

 

[R0rschach]

Look, the claws are not his power they are just part of his mutation. Just like his hearing, healing and smelling. Wolverine is an animal, he's feral to some degree. That's his mutation, being a kinda hybrid between lions/wolves ect ect and man and unlike Creed he struggles to remain human. That's Victor's whole point for pushing him over the edge everytime they meet.

 

[baTT]

Origin presented that the claws are a mutation of James Howlett's bones; and, much like Nightcrawler's blue fur - were there at birth.

I don't accept the bone claws retcon so I don't worry about whether they are a power or not, but I suppose that comparison is a half-decent way to judge the situation... do you consider Kurt's fur a power?

(almost instant) EDIT: Hmmm...thinking more into this, Kurt's skin reverts to plain caucasian when his mutant gene is inhibited, but Logan's claws remain. Perhaps my earlier cited example isn't great... any thoughts?


No, the episode in question was aired a few months later.

You know its so strange. You have to wonder what the standard is for "powers". Kurt, was born looking the way he did, but when was he able to teleport? Anyone have that info?

Seems that certain mutations happen at birth where as "powers tend to manifest at puberty.


*******Just because the episode was aired a few months later doesn't mean it was made in that short a time. It takes a long time to write produce and voice a cartoon.**********

So that is a fuzzy line for me and I wouldn't know which one to choose really, I guess its just up to your own judgement really. The movie though, is gonna end up defining a few things though thats for sure.

 

[Logan's Heroes]

That was made before the established the bone claws wasn't it?

Yes, I believe you're correct.


At this point, I'm not entirely sure which storyline I like better. On one hand, having bone claws makes him seem more feral and, to be honest, more of a mutant. But, the Weapon X program being able to install bone claws on him due to his enhanced healing capabilities also makes a lot of sense and leads to some good storylines as well.

All in all, I think either way is good in terms of story. The more I think about it, the more I feel like a purist in terms of accepting the claws only as metal installments during the Weapon X program.

 

[Congo Jack]

Just because the episode was aired a few months later doesn't mean it was made in that short a time. It takes a long time to write produce and voice a cartoon.

Accepted. But did you have a point to make, or were you just asking a question?

 

[DoctorJones]

I think in whatever case, it's cool the comic books revealed he had bone claws, but in the movies he doesn't.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I think in whatever case, it's cool the comic books revealed he had bone claws, but in the movies he doesn't.

The script reveiw had him with bone claws for the movie.

 

[baTT]

I think were gonna have to fudge a little on this movie. After all, they gave Spider-man organic web shooters. So where they are not left to do whatever they want, they are gonna end up doing a few movie specific things.

You cant cram 30 years of history in 2 hours. Look what happened to Spider-man 3, way too much **** going on there, had people leaving saying "Who's Venom?"

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

it's not just that

what's more credible?

A-wolverine was born with his claws but they recovered it with adamantium

B-wolverine was born without claws and they created them, and the muscles needed to use them, and the nerves to activate the muscles, and so much more...

B is definitly more credible.

By FAR.

Minor cybernetics advancements puts B firmly into the "currently doable" column but I've never seen man nor beast capable of shooting their claws out of the back of their hands.

 

[Congo Jack]

Great point, VictorVonDoomX. I wouldn't consider myself an expert in animal phsyiology but there can't be any animal that has natural spring-loaded claws.

 

[Infinity9999x]

B is definitly more credible.

By FAR.

Minor cybernetics advancements puts B firmly into the "currently doable" column but I've never seen man nor beast capable of shooting their claws out of the back of their hands.

Really? Because I think it would be a bit tough to not only have cybernetics advanced enough to run throughout a person's entire body, connect it to their nerves and muscles so the muscles know what to do with the claws in their arm, and make it work.

Not to mention how their arm would react to the added weight and foreign metal substances shoved into their bones and interfering with the muscles in the arm, and the possibility of damaging the bone and bone marrow by drilling into the forearm bones to house the claws.

To me it seems much more credible that, in a world where there are already mutants, a man with advanced healing would simply have bone claws as a part of his mutation.

 

[baTT]

Adamantium Bones, thats it. Cybernetics and such in him would just over complicate the character. As far as the claws go, were just gonna have to live with with they put him in.

Still though, I would love to see bone claws pop out at least once. Just the look of them would be so friggin cool to me.

 

[R0rschach]

B is definitly more credible.

By FAR.

Minor cybernetics advancements puts B firmly into the "currently doable" column but I've never seen man nor beast capable of shooting their claws out of the back of their hands.

I've never seen an animal heal from a fatal wound in 5 seconds.

 

[various121]

Great point, VictorVonDoomX. I wouldn't consider myself an expert in animal phsyiology but there can't be any animal that has natural spring-loaded claws.

Spring action? Could be muscle response, like flexing your bicep. Also, are retractable claws any less believable/cooler than say, a chamelon changing it's skin color to blend in with it's environment? Or the light production of a firefly?

 

[Congo Jack]

Spring action? Could be muscle response, like flexing your bicep. Also, are retractable claws any less believable/cooler than say, a chamelon changing it's skin color to blend in with it's environment? Or the light production of a firefly?

Hey, like I said, I am by no stretch of the imagination an expert on this.

I care more about the story and am willing to suspend my disbelief over the claws because I think the Logan's story is better with them as articficial. And yeah I think they're more plausible as well. Others may disagree, and that's fine by me, but I think they're wrong.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I think the Logan's story is better with them as articficial. And yeah I think they're more plausible as well.

I agree.

 

[baTT]

Great point, VictorVonDoomX. I wouldn't consider myself an expert in animal phsyiology but there can't be any animal that has natural spring-loaded claws.

Doesn't quite come out of the top of their hands, but all cats claws do "retract" if you will. Besides were talking comic books here, so its all doable.

 

[Legion]

Listen, adamantium is indestructible is it not? So who says that the metal claws in the first few movies are too thin to be bone? Why can't they be bone covered with a hair thin layer of metal? All I'm saying is: it's entirely possible that the bone claws are the size that we see them as metal in X1-3.

I don't think this is likely since in "X-Men",Wolverine is trying to free Rogue and Magneto is using to power to warp Wolverine's claws, bending them backwards.

If his claws were bone underneath they would have broken if bent in that direction. He would would have been in serious pain, maybe not able to use his claws to destroy the machine and it at least should have set off a light bulb "Maybe these aren't what I thought they were, maybe I should have someone examine them."

If his bones were broken underneath he probably wouldn't have been able to retract them properly and they may not have been able to heal straight, with adamantium around them they cant really be set in place, plus he gave up his healing power to rogue and all his wounds opened up.

Although if they give him bone claws in this movie it wouldn't be the first time continuity has been messed up.

 

[Savage]

He seemed to be in some serious pain during that scene from what I noticed. The claws even broke back, causing sparks (and breaking what could have been bone in there). It's not hard to believe that once the claws went back to their normal shape so did the bones inside them and healed instantly.

 

[various121]

Although if they give him bone claws in this movie it wouldn't be the first time continuity has been messed up.

How would continuity be messed up if he had bone claws? In the Marvel Universe, Wolverine aka James Howlett was born with his bone claws because his father, Logan (first name unknown), had bone claws as well.

 

[Congo Jack]

How would continuity be messed up if he had bone claws? In the Marvel Universe, Wolverine aka James Howlett was born with his bone claws because his father, Logan (first name unknown), had bone claws as well.

I beleive Stryker said in X-Men 2 something along the lines of "You were an animal then and you are an animal now. I just gave you claws". And Thomas Logan was the name of James' father in Wolverine's so-called Origin; and where was it shown he had bone claws?

 

[Savage]

I thought Thomas was Howlett. Thomas Howlett. Are you sure Logan's first name was Thomas too?