Bone claws!?

[jim_root_rules]

the shape dosent matter they can easily stil work

 

[Jager X]

so his bones can regenerate obviously, right? so if one was to file his bone claws down and coat them in adamantium, wouldn't the bones try to break through the adamantium to regain their original size?

also, with the technology presented in weapon x could easily implant metal claws into wolverine. if they have the technology to coat his body in adamantium without taking away his flexibility or damaging his nerves then anything is possible. besides the guy is usually drawn with big ass forearms so them seperating the ulna and radius to implant claws could explain that.

oh! i forgot, in the first movie they had an x-ray of wolverine i could have sworn that the claws were housed in shafts or trays.if anyone can pull up a picture of it then i can be clear.

 

[Sentinel X]

This is a dumb excuse and I've already debunked it. Since wolverine has a healing factor, Stryker can NOT ****ing change the shape of his bone claws!

Good freaking God.

...okayyy. In X2 we saw how fast ademantium can cool down...it literally turned deathstrike into metal within seconds. Second, Bone takes a much longer time to heal than flesh. Ever broken an arm or a leg???...Its not going to heal as fast as it would if you get a cut. It can takes months before bone can properly heal for normal humans, a mutant such as wolverine with an advance healing factor, it may take hours or days. That would be just enough time for the ademantium to cool down.


So no its still not a dumb excuse

 

[KillerBob]

That's when the claws are snapped, off. You are talking about wittling them down to thin them.

What's your point? Getting the claws snapped off and getting them filed down to a different shape is both damage to the claws. If it takes Wolverine weeks to regrow snapped off claws Stryker can file down his claws and bond adamantium to them before they resume their original shape. It's not like it would take the entire Weapon X project a month just to file Wolverine's claws. Hell they could get them filed down 5 minutes before Wolverine goes into the big tank. No way his claws grow back pristine perfect in 5 minutes when the more powerful healing factor of Comic Wolverine takes weeks to regrow damaged claws. Not going to happen.

And second, since he has a healing factor they couldn't stay that way permanently.

So what, his bone claws are going to grow out of an adamantium shell? Do you know what indestructible means?

so his bones can regenerate obviously, right? so if one was to file his bone claws down and coat them in adamantium, wouldn't the bones try to break through the adamantium to regain their original size?

Wolverine's bone claws couldn't regenerate to their original shape and bust out of the adamantium coating. It's impossible because adamantium can't be altered in any way after it cools. Even Thor's hardest hammer shot can only barely dent even the thinest of adamantium. Wolverine's regenerating inch of extra bone claw is not capable of doing anything like that. The bone claws would remain locked in their indestructible coating forever.

 

[chaseter]

^Even if it took weeks for Wolverine's bone claws to grow back after Stryker filed them down...after the adamantium was bonded, the bone claws would still grow back to their normal size inside the adamantium casing due to his regenerative powers. True the indestructible casing cannot be harmed, but the growing bones have to go somewhere...probably deform his body and have the claws protruding elsewhere. In other words, bone claws are dumb and out of Wolverine's character in the movie world.

 

[Sentinel X]

The bone claws will not protrude elsewhere

 

[chaseter]

The bone claws will not protrude elsewhere

Two different masses cannot occupy the same space at the same time. The bone claws will grow back...PERIOD. That is Wolverine's powers, regeneration. Adamantium will not stop Wolverine's natural powers from occurring. He would be in constantly immense pain at the feeling of his bone claws trying to grow inside the adamantium shell. After a while, the regenerating have to grow somewhere if they cannot break through the adamantium laced around them.

 

[Sentinel X]

If anything theyd increase in density but it wouldn't grow anywhere else. You're right, two things cant occupy a space at once but that doesnt mean the bone cant just condense.

Also, lets just say that its density wouldnt increase and it would some how protrude into other areas Weapon X could easily fix that. There are plenty of bone disease, bone overgrowth and others. Weapon X can just increase the amount of osteoclast around the bone claws.


So still bone claws isn't a dumb excuse

 

[chaseter]

If anything theyd increase in density but it wouldn't grow anywhere else. You're right, two things cant occupy a space at once but that doesnt mean the bone cant just condense.

Also, lets just say that its density wouldnt increase and it would some how protrude into other areas Weapon X could easily fix that. There are plenty of bone disease, bone overgrowth and others. Weapon X can just increase the amount of osteoclast around the bone claws.


So still bone claws isn't a dumb excuse

Wolverine's bone claws in the comics were already highly dense and could cut through tough objects such as wood, trees, and some metals. They are already dense enough...therefore it is illogical to think that his bones would increase their density. That is not what bones do. The age old practice of Chinese women binding their feet is a good example, which caused their feet to be small yet caused deformities and immense pain in the practitioner. Secondly, Wolverine's mutation also allows him to fight off diseases and other foreign antibodies due to his high level of cellular regrowth. That is why in X2 the sleeping darts didn't put him to sleep which would in turn invalidate the idea of introducing chemicals that would alter the shape of his physicality such as "osteoclast" as you have mentioned. His body would simply reject the bone thinning chemicals.

 

[Sentinel X]

Wolverine's bone claws in the comics were already highly dense and could cut through tough objects such as wood, trees, and some metals. They are already dense enough...therefore it is illogical to think that his bones would increase their density. That is not what bones do. The age old practice of Chinese women binding their feet is a good example, which caused their feet to be small yet caused deformities and immense pain in the practitioner. Secondly, Wolverine's mutation also allows him to fight off diseases and other foreign antibodies due to his high level of cellular regrowth. That is why in X2 the sleeping darts didn't put him to sleep which would in turn invalidate the idea of introducing chemicals that would alter the shape of his physicality such as "osteoclast" as you have mentioned. His body would simply reject the bone thinning chemicals.

Well its a comic book...theyll show his bones are strongs when in reality they aren't. The movies arent going to be 100% like the comic books anyways...I dont think theyll show him cutting through trees or anything with the bone claws...so his bones can still increase in density.
It caused deformities and pain..sure okay. Of course theres going to be deformities due to the expirement but the bones aren't going to just start growing elsewhere or anything.Im pretty sure Logan has lots of problems going on, after all his bones are all covered in metal but actually but I dont buy it actually protruding...second, what makes you think that there is an opening in wolverine's ademantium coated bone claws that would allow protruding to occur in the first place? ...have you ever thought that maybe the entire bone is covered in ademantium like the rest of his bones?

 

[x-fan]

suspense of reality, it works in the comics it'll work in the movie. good grief this is why i dislike singers vision of the x-men universe. there are no people shooting laser out of there eyes in real life, but lets make it ground in reality. this means something different to me. like handle it seriously and dont dumb it down. if we can believe a girl can absorb another persons life force then bone claws that are coated in adamanium isn't so hard to believe either. it is a movie based on a comic. wow the reality issue is killing this fantasy experience i like to call a movie. if i want total reality, i'll watch the friggin news

later

 

[TheVileOne]

I still don't think it works in the comics. And things working in the comics has NOT stopped movies from changing tons of aspects. LIKE colorful spandex costumes.

I'm not buying that FILING THE CLAWS would take weeks to grow back either.

I'm also not buying that they would even file the claws at all.

And if they don't file the claws in the movie, then I am going to not let the people who suggested such a thing hear the end of it.

 

[chaseter]

suspense of reality, it works in the comics it'll work in the movie. good grief this is why i dislike singers vision of the x-men universe. there are no people shooting laser out of there eyes in real life, but lets make it ground in reality. this means something different to me. like handle it seriously and dont dumb it down. if we can believe a girl can absorb another persons life force then bone claws that are coated in adamanium isn't so hard to believe either. it is a movie based on a comic. wow the reality issue is killing this fantasy experience i like to call a movie. if i want total reality, i'll watch the friggin news

later

If we had a movie 100% faithful to the comic books, it would be so ridiculous to today's audiences that only 40 year old fanboys would go see it. Singer is the one who introduced the X-Men to us and did a great job IMO. Suspending reality has nothing to do with suspending the reality created by the comic books. They have already established these characters and are now set in their own reality in the movieverse. To say that Stryker can file down the claws and that they would not grow back immediately directly contradicts what the movie has established in its reality of Wolverine. That is called a loop hole.

 

[Boiiinng]

That is called a loop hole.

"Plot" hole.

 

[Sentinel X]

To say that Stryker can file down the claws and that they would not grow back immediately directly contradicts what the movie has established in its reality of Wolverine. That is called a loop hole.

Ermm no it doesnt ...The movies never showed Wolvie heal his bones cause they were already covered in ademantium...so how does it contradict anything? Secondly, its a scientific fact that bone heals longer than flesh. So if we try to keep this to reality it would take hours or perhaps days for Wolvie's bones to heal if they were broken, or filed down, ect.

 

[KillerBob]

I can't believe that anyone is trying to argue that Wolverine's organic bone material could somehow break out of it's adamantium coating. That is utterly rediculous. It's impossible for this to happen. It's also not as if the adamantium is just laying on top of the organic bone. It is BONDED on a MOLECULEAR level. This means that the un-alterable molecules of the adamantium overlap and mix with the organic bone molecules. The bones can't grow because the adamantium molecules dictate what the bone molecules can do and since the adamantium molecules can't be changed or altered in any way shape or form, the bone molecules aren't doing anything. That means no bone deformations, no bone spurs, no nothing. The organic skeleton is locked in an unbreakable shape.

For Wolverine's healing factor to somehow break out of the adamantium casing the healing factor would have to be able to exert enough force with the bone tissue to cause more than several hundred tons of pressure to a scientifically incalcuable level. If theis did happen Wolverine wouldsn't even be able to move, His organic bones would become so rediculously heavy he'd have to be 10 times stronger than base-line Savage Hulk. The healing factor also isn't going to do anything to interupt Wolverine's health. After all, it is an immune system, just super charged and on crack. IT CAN'T HAPPEN.

And for the record filing the claws is a fantastic idea. Why? Because in the comics the claws were filed to such a fine point that they can cut through anything. It's one of the main basic features of the claws. Not filing them is just plain stupid. Why give him metal claws if they can't cut through anything more than what he could already cut with the bone claws? Not filing the claws would be a huge waste of very expensive adamantium.

Claws were filed/honed to a super-fine edge in the comic, therefor it makes sense that they get filed for the movie.

Those of you against this idea have yet to come up with a valid reason why it doesn't make sense, or couldn't be done.

 

[chaseter]

^The adamantium in the movies were not done at a cellular level. The extremely hot molten adamantium was merely overlayed onto his skeleton with a needle that we saw in X2. Also, a lot of the things that work so well in the comics doesn't mean they would go over as great in the movieverse. That is why our X-Men aren't running around in yellow spandex with colorful masks. Rogue isn't flying around and throwing 18 wheelers at the bad guys, Wolverine isn't 5 foot nothing, the Shi'ar aren't trying to take over the world, and Magneto doesn't have a floating asteroid he calls home. Bone claws fit into that category. They have already explained Wolverine's powers as regeneration in X1 and X2. In X2 we learned that because of his adaptation, Stryker was able to give him an adamantium skeleton and claws. That is right...two instances of people mentioning when Wolverine "got" claws. In X2 Stryker told Wolverine he gave him claws and in X3 Beast mentioned that he had been fighting for mutant rights before Wolverine had claws. Well, if you bone claw enthusiast's theories hold true, Wolverine would have had claws when he was born so long ago...years before Stryker and Beast existed. Bone claws are also too similar to his current claws and the film makers will not try to confuse the casual movie go-er by introducing a first set of bone claws that were filed down so that they could cut through rock and metal....yea right...bones cannot cut through metal or we would be seeing Ron Poppeil selling bone knives on late night television. Even if Wolverine's original skeletal structure was so dense...then why did he need help from adamantium...after all....he can heal.

 

[Sentinel X]

1. We dont know the molecular formula for ademantium but we do know that it had permanetly binded to Wolvies bones.
2. When stryker said he gave him claws there are multiple things that can be implied from that statement. Beast has nothing to do with Stryker or Wolvies orgin...he was figuritivly speaking, it was away to show that he had been in the government for a long time.
3.No one ever said bones cut through rock or metal...that was the reason of the Weapon X program...to make Wolvie a weapon. Just cause he cuts through rock in the comics with them doesnt mean hell do it here...as you said not everything from comics translate to the silver screen.
4.I implied that his bones would gain density within the ademantium covering rather than protrude. He doesnt need help anyhow...he is an experiment, it was a test.

 

[chaseter]

Read KillerBob's response above mine. He said that Wolvie's bone claws were filed so finely that they could cut through rocks and some metals. Someone else had said the same thing in the last page or so. And I can almost guarantee you that Beast had knowledge of the Weapon X program.

 

[Sentinel X]

Oh I see...I think he has it wrong...I dont think the claws will be filled with ademantium I think theyll be coated with it

 

[chaseter]

Oh I see...I think he has it wrong...I dont think the claws will be filled with ademantium I think theyll be coated with it

Not filled...filed as in scraping them down to a fine point like a knife.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I wonder if some of the idiots on here are going to start telling me that LADY DEATHSTRYKE'S claws are bone as well.

Bone claws = dumb brain fart.

I was happy at first, because I was hoping the movies did away with the bone claws crap.

Also, by the shape the claws are in the movie, they CAN'T be bone. Unless they give Wolverine thin flat sided bone claws, which they weren't in the comics.

Freaking comic writers and their bone claws.

Tell me this, how can bone claws be stupid?

So weapon X gives him Claws, I could see that, but the biggest problem is how could he use them? Did weapon X give him extra muscles so he could extend the claws out of his hand? Because that seems a lot more stupid to me then having bone claws to begin with. Bone claws make sense, because otherwise, he never would be able to extend or sheathe his claws.

 

[chaseter]

^You raise an interesting and unseen point.

 

[Infinity9999x]

^You raise an interesting and unseen point.

Thank you.

See, by the time I got into Wolverine, it had already been revealed that he had bone claws, so I never knew people hated them so much. But like I said before, it always struck me as odd that for a while it was believed he just got claws...I mean you could put claws in my forearms too, but I still wouldn't be able to use them unless I grew muscles that allowed me to retract and extract them.

 

[Sentinel X]

Bone Claws make so much sense..I dont know why people think they dont.

Not filled...filed as in scraping them down to a fine point like a knife.

Whoops I miss read that bit