Boston Marathon Terror Attack - Part 3

[Greens]

What's the point, though? The murderer wouldn't be released into society so the only motivation would be revenge of some sorts, and I don't know if we should go down that road.

 

[PacificBoy]

I wonder if virtual reality ever gets good enough or if we ever find a way to upload and store memories if we could make murderers experience the last moments of their victim's life. The pain, the fear, the agony. I'm sure that would be to close to torture for some people to even consider, but it would be a fitting punishment in some cases. Make this guy feel what some of those people felt when burning hot shrapnel tore their limbs off. Make him feel how they felt when they were lying there bleeding to death. The confusion. The bargaining. The pleading. Really put the murderer in the shoes of the victim and see if that doesn't make them understand the gravity of their actions.

Reminds me of the White Bear episode from Black Mirror.

 

[regwec]

A lot of sadistic sickos in this thread.

 

[Marvolo]

What's the point, though? The murderer wouldn't be released into society so the only motivation would be revenge of some sorts, and I don't know if we should go down that road.

A criminal has to understand the impact and effects of the crimes they commit. Understanding comes from experience. And what better experience than the last moments of their victims life? But not just that. Make them get to know their victims. Their happy moments. Who they were. Who they loved. Who loved them. What the person wanted out of life. etc. That should be a part of a criminal's sentence. If it creates a moment of true grief and regret in the criminal then it's worth it imo. I'm just not content to let him or any criminal go to the grave thinking that what they did was right or justified.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

A lot of sadistic sickos in this thread.

No, a lot of people still angry and pissed at the real sadistic sicko, who is this smug murderer. None of us are going around hurting people. But some of us want the person who did to feel at least a modicum of the pain that he inflicted on others. If that makes myself and others "sadistic sickos" for venting about that on this forum, then you have a loose definition of the term.

 

[moviedoors]

Reminds me of the White Bear episode from Black Mirror.

I'm not sure that episode was advocating for that punishment.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Justice is just government sanctioned revenge.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I us to be for the death penalty. But I don't feel the same anymore. Murder is never the answer. This isn't war, this isn't justice. This is revenge, this is murder.

 

[CELTICPRED]

Some people need to learn the difference between punishment and murder.

 

[terry78]

So if you kill someone what should the comeuppance be...you just feel really bad about it afterwards? I'm pretty liberal but even I am cynical about that type of thing.

 

[Marvolo]

So if you kill someone what should the comeuppance be...you just feel really bad about it afterwards? I'm pretty liberal but even I am cynical about that type of thing.

They shouldn't "just" feel bad, but they should feel bad or be made to fully grasp the impacts of their actions and feel the weight of the impact. And that shouldn't stop when they leave the courtroom.

 

[roach]

Its not government revenge. He was tried by everyday people. He was provided legal defense. It was also the same everyday people who chose death for him. He got more of a chance than his victims got.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

A lot of sadistic sickos in this thread.

America feeds off of blind hatred, revenge and brutal gory murders. Humanity in general feeds off of that. I don't mean to exclude myself from these barbaric feelings because I have them and I've voiced them here. My inner darkness has been laid bare many times.

It's something I wish we would all fight more but we don't, we give in to those base instincts, like wild animals. And that is not fair to wild animals because we can be crueler than animals ever could be because of our superior cognitive abilities.

These days I am not overly optimistic about humanity as a whole.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm a misanthrope, but this is a man who murdered multiple people, including an eight year old child, and planned to kill more innocent people. He showed no guilt, and even partied before he was caught. There is nothing morally objectionable about killing him. There is no doubt of his guilt.

This isn't hatred. It's common sense. He needs to die.

Killing him, is not at all disproportionate, or in any way unjust.

 

[Marvolo]

Have they announced which state will handle the execution? Or is that something that won't be decided until after all of his appeals?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Give him to Texas. They'll kill him dead.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

They also kill mentally handicap people and disproportionately people of color. Innocent people as well I'm sure. Good ole Texas.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I heard he goes to Terra Haute, Indiana.

 

[Thundercrack85]

A public execution at Fenway Park seems more appropriate.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Stoning by baseballs? Uh oh. I guess that makes me a "sadistic sicko."

 

[Pink Ranger]

A public execution at Fenway Park seems more appropriate.

You gonna kill him by making him eat one of those "hot dogs"? That ain't right, man.

 

[hippie_hunter]

They killed the DC Sniper after 4 months.

I think this will be a pretty speedy process too.

No they didn't. He was found guilty and sentenced to the death penalty in Virginia, but the he had to be tried in Maryland (which didn't have the death penalty) a few years later. The biggest reason why Muhammad was executed quick that most simply comes from him giving up on the appeals process and saw it as a lost cause.

Tsarnaev on the other hand is going to appeal. The only thing that could speed up the process in this case simply comes from the defense having very little to work with and Tsarnaev's demeanor makes him very unlikeable and unsympathetic to judges.

 

[Marvolo]

I heard he goes to Terra Haute, Indiana.

Hmm. Has that state reinstated the firing squad or gas chamber? I saw that some states are bringing back those forms of execution. I think firing squad would probably be the best. Hell, I think it would be the best in all cases. We have rigs so guns can be fired remotely. Hook an M4 up to a mechanical rig, press a button, and it shoots him in the heart or head. Its quick and effective. And its virtually painless if done right. And its a lot safer than pumping him or any other criminal full of untested chemicals. Seriously, we need to stop dicking around with chemicals and injections. Bullets are proven methods of killing someone.

No they didn't. He was found guilty and sentenced to the death penalty in Virginia, but the he had to be tried in Maryland (which didn't have the death penalty) a few years later. The biggest reason why Muhammad was executed quick that most simply comes from him giving up on the appeals process and saw it as a lost cause.

Tsarnaev on the other hand is going to appeal. The only thing that could speed up the process in this case simply comes from the defense having very little to work with and Tsarnaev's demeanor makes him very unlikeable and unsympathetic to judges.

I'm not entirely sure how the appeals process works. Can a judge just refuse to hear his appeal? If so then that seems like the likely outcome. This guy's guilt is proven without a doubt. AFAIK, the trial went off without a hitch and no one mishandled evidence. And the sentencing seems like its wasn't mishandled. What sort of grounds for an appeal could a lawyer even push?

Also, can he make an appeal for life in prison, and get the death sentence thrown out?

 

[Wildcard]

Anything less than the death penalty would be an insult. Why? Because he kills & majorly injures people, some of the same people who would be paying taxes on keeping him fed & clothed in prison.

All criminals of this nature should be put to death so here, for once, I am completely happy with the outcome. Now let's get it done so we can move on from talking about this deficiente.

 

[Marvolo]

Anything less than the death penalty would be an insult. Why? Because he kills & majorly injures people, some of the same people who would be paying taxes on keeping him fed & clothed in prison.

All criminals of this nature should be put to death so here, for once, I am completely happy with the outcome. Now let's get it done so we can move on from talking about this deficiente.

Actually they will be paying more for him now. Like I said on the last page:

Back when all the botched execution fiasco hit the media John Olliver discussed it and showed the costs of giving someone life in prison versus giving them the death penalty and execution is actually more expensive than holding someone for life. What makes the death penalty so expensive is that the government is required to pay for any appeals that a criminal that is given the death sentance makes. And a death row criminal gets more than one appeal. The government has to pay their court costs, their lawyer fees, transportation fees back and forth to court, and anything that goes along with that and those fees far outstrip the cost of just holding the person for life, because someone given a life sentence is required to pay for their own appeals, lawyers, court costs, and expenses etc.